THE HOUSE.

Dominion, Volume 3, Issue 910, 1 September 1910, Page 6

THE HOUSE.

] V ;ANIMALS< PROTECTION ACT. ;: ■ When; the ■ House - resumed -its, sittifigs yesterday--theAnimals^Prptfetion'Amerid-ment: Bill- was ."read, a first -. time. ■;.;■: ;; • AMENDMENT, BiLli;. The Amendment" Bill was read, a second time .pro forma, and xe-; : ferred to. the'i.Education Committee.. •;,'... .. RANGITAIKIUAND DRAINAGE BILL. : - -Tho" Eangitaild -; Land..' Drainage': Bill passed its;; third /reading. ■... ;y ; ■-';;' :;■,- extinction of public; •;:MO^E;';ABqUT;'THE:';PROPOSALS- : In Committee.' the -Public Debt'-; Extinction Bill !*as further."'considered. ■ : : L : ; Mr. .ALLEN .(Bruce), upon' Section ,20 (which;provides that' surplus funds, may ,be:used"for cancellation of stock-or,'de-bentafes),' said that ;,he'. could findi ho. clarise : showing when ;iqans,.were ; . to;be paidvoff. .'■. There' wds,V,apparently, ,no- in- : . tentiori: to' meet loans falling due.within the' 75 years-out of accumulations. : : V/ -.The,'PRIME MINISTER .'.said,, thatViri the event-of a::loan;.falling due early;;in'-, the course -of the scheme:'it iwo'uld not be;paid off, but. would- be-renewed; aiid ;upon"iits'-renewal;:.it would have-endorsed ou'itsSatock'U .statement, that. a:, sinking; fund existed for its. extinction.;:;: If Joans wereimet -out"of accretions-.early ,in J: the course ,of ;the" icheme, .it i would: -.break down, i>ln teii '• years tha 'acoretions would amount:,to. iEl ; BOO,opo, r :whilst about, that date loans totalling would-be due.- It:would'b ! e Nonsensical to make -pro-. .vision; now. 1 to meet .''. them. then. That would be eatirifi: into the .principle' of the Bill. .v. : ,Mr:v"AJleniV;-But'wKen -are.;'you',-''going 'to /start payingoff \dnj;'ot the.'loans ? W.;; PrdjTiie! - Gets: Angry.;> i;r;': ;/ : ;,'; ':;-: :;

,- Sir; Joseph'.: (angrily)v:- Oh;'-'you profess, toVbd:in;fa.vduj , :.,'o - f the Bill;, and yet:you are , 'crying: "stinking'fish."' ■" :;- '...';; .-Mr. Allen: : 'No, :l:am not; ".".-'• ,'.■;■■._/:. •:: ; ; :Mr?MASSEY'said that'he considered that Hhis 'was -the.'weakest, spot, "of the . Bill;:-;:There/was^nd , provision for"pay T ing off .any; of : .the .loansi .vile'could not ' see, why i there : should : ,not be: such; provi-; .sionNWUn! /hisi opinion,"; /the . Billwrongly 'designated. , ' ; ,:Iristead, of .being caljedi-the -BubUc Debt Extinction Bill; it' sliould -be called , a''' Bill intended 'i.to. 'prtiyide/finarice/fdr; the. Sta;te Guaranteed .AUvarices : Department;-^-,/'-:,:;'::;:■:.". ,i ; ■No amendmentL. was..;propps,ed.; ,in;.cpn-. nectidn : ' with*'"the 'clause" in' question. :/: :; TJpon,/the.motion of/the-:Prime: llinis:' ter,'. the clause proyiding",that the/;Audi-tor-General- should after, the end of. each firianbial/year/furnisliia certificate eliow,'ing.'- the ./total- amount,,pf.the public debt : wa.i amerded'i'by;.providing that m_ calculating//the- amount,, of \ the; .national debt, accumulations -in thte sinking.,fnnds i shall-not'V deducted.: ,',';-'-, ,'Vv >" ■' (Dlause 24- was amended -at ■ the' : instance of. Mr./'Alleri, that' l ; the information ';;■ to be' "supplied '' to • : Parliament • every ■ year. shjmld;include.:theinecessary .certificates.; Repayment:''of..-I.p'ans. , ; : .- i ',\;-;( , J.--v;;.•/,■; ; ;; :; '■■ •Mr^'-'NBWiAN. (Manawatu) 1 moved;/the .a clause haying for its;_pbject that/.the: repayment, of-loans shall, oomiienco: initen :/ •,„:',:,;;; '•■'■ The 'PRIME MINISTER. ; said ;■ that ,;he could'.'nb.tiaccept.'/theiclau'se., '■;, To 'make the,'dat« ;of.-the repayment.,6f the loans; manSatory.: wais against.;, the ..principle-of the ; in.ea ; siire: : :"Tliere,:JTaS:;no part "•- of '■■ the : Government ; of ■. illegally m- ■ terfering' with. the-.'sirikinß .-_■;.. "■ Mr. MASSEy-: ; 'saidvthat r; the : Govern-; mentV-woiild not interfere, with-sinking; funds v illegally.- , /.When \' they, wanted '.to use : 'them:' they ■ wduld ; ihave; : the. ■: Act 'amended:' 1 Tho. Prime Minister;professed to* have' read Za good;deal'.'abbut , - sinking funds', schemes. ■. He'.would. ; like ;to -ask him if he 1 kijew of one;instance.in British histpry', where/sinking ."• funds, had been allowed:to 'remain; intact?;;, ;, •-■ ' ■.'.-■.■ : Sir Joseph.':' What 'about ■' America?.-'-, -~ ; Mr. -'Massey:; They/ tried' schemes -of ..the :kind ;'there, ' but' .they: .were ;a , failure. Now.' they 'do as , ,is ibeing: ■ done:.in;Englarid; viz.,". -re'pa'y , ;, they loans- out ,of .surpluses." The'; present' scheme -.could not .hope'to'..be/Cany, niore-.successful; than its-, predecessors. ■~'■-'! : :':/. :.•.:; : Upo'n ; a division,"the clause :was' re-, jected .by/'i7' votes.to 21. -y ,';;• ■;, "TOWN BOARDS'AMENDMENT BILL. ; ' Whehthe/ House was. proceeding to deal with; tha ■: Town /Boards Amendment Bill /in/Committee, ■'::.'-.;;" " V t ■";■• .'■,.;■ '..-, ' "Mr- MASSEY asked.">jf" the bringing ■down of the "Bill was- to be. takeri' as. an indication ■ that there would- be no Local Government Bill-: this session. .. The Hon. D. BUDDp.said that the Bill could not;await; the'bringing down of'the general , 8i11.,;■ ' .•"-."; , ; '.■'. ! '.-. : Mr. PEARCE. (Patea) ;'contended .-.that, town boards should bo allowed to collect a , higher amount, in '.respect, of -■"■ hotel licenses "in 'those districts,:'than, was 'at present provided;-b'y. Jaw. . .'.-..--". ;; . ■ The Prime Minister:. The matter mil .be dealt with, in a Bill this session. .-.-.■; ' ■ Air.-Massey: A'Licensing Bill?, , 'Sit Joseph:. In a. Bill to be /brought down; if you"wait a little,while you' will In order to obtain "the Chairman's rul-' : ing as to whether provision of the lurid could be mado, in the Bill, Mr.' Pearce moved a ' clause as,, under,: "No license shall be issued in respect .of an hotel in a town-district at. less, than £40. . The; Chairman;'ruled ; that the • clause was:out of, order.;; \ '. : ■■■■ . ; ' ST,ONE QUARRiES BILL. :. ;':i •■- ' :■■ '.-'■ ; _/.■■ . , ' .-■ ■ • DISCUSSION IN COMMITTEE. In Committee on the Stone Quarries Bill, " ; ■ ■"■ ■'• .'■,■'•■■ ■: " Mr. ALLEN (Briice) moved that where a mana'ger' or the foreman' ha? a permit in respect of blasting operations no other worker in the quarry shall be -required to hold a permit. . ■• ..'"•■'' ■ Mr. FISHER (Wellington Central) ultimately remarked on the fact that there were important measures behind the Bill which was now , wasting the time of tho House. The Bill cut out all important quarries, and it was like asking tho House to go out and play marbles to ask them to put in time on a Bill liko this. Ho moved that progress bo reported. ■■'■■' ■Mr. ANDERSON (Jlafaiura) said that if the Bill passed it would bo a deathblow to all the small quarries in the Dominion. ■•■•■■• 'Mr. PEARCE (Patea) thought the Bill would bo an annoyance to every road board in the Dominion. He appealed to every member representing a country district to support the motion to report progress. • ■ ■ Mr. STALLWORTOY (Kaipara) said be had been asked by a number of workers in his district to support the Bill.

j> ; The PRIME MINISTER said the Bill was destined to preserve the lives ol men working in the quarries. "A Humbug and a Sham." : Mr., FISHER (Wellington Central) asked why the Bill did not cover all classes of workers.' Why cut out coalmines and railways? Was it because the .Government were.interested Here? The Bill as it stood at present was a humbug and a sham. It was not human life tho Government were thinking about! ; Mr. LAUREN SON (Lyttelton) said his only regret was that the .Bill did not go further, but because, the Bill did not go. the "whole hog" he could not see why they should seek to.kill'the Bill..:■■ . .: The.Hon. E/'M'KENZIB said there was a great demand for the Bill, but it was a progressive labour measure, hence'the opposition to it; from the other side of the House could be understood. ■■Mr. RUSSELL (Avon) did not think the Government; should be . exempted from, the operations"of tlm law. (Hear, hear.) The. law for the private employer should'bo the', law for the Government.' . Mr.; ARNOLD (Dunedin Central) considered some , , legislation of the'kind was required and hi) thought it should apply not only to • local bodies but to the Government'also. Mr. MANDER (Marsden) '• did . not think, the , Bill was necessary and the. discussion, was'-beating the air and Wasting time. ■.-■'.- .Mr. BUIGK ■(Palmerston) said he would' support the Bill with -all his heart if he thought it would save one life; but he did not think if would save any.life. An Extraordinary Thirig.- ■ The PRIME MINISTER thought it was an ■ extraordinary, thing that members should oppose the Bill, and went on to state'that gold,and coal mines were, already, provided for.- 'Why. should there be all this' excessive zeal on behalf -of local bodies which .would perhaps have to spend a few '.pounds ..-more'?- He did not, believe the local bodies had moved in the matter. Those in his district had certainly not dono so.. : He could, riot.-un-derstand 1 members; moving to; report. progress.. He did not' object to the inclusion of the Government. works; himself and he certainly: thought .the Bill should be placed on the ■ Statute Book.Y •■. 'Mr;-. MALCOLM-(Chith'a) said that he would': suppfart :the Bill- if., he .thought it would save life; but lie did not think it would. 'It: would ' cause loss . and >|in- , jury;to the , very .men it.sought' to help. :Mr. • B.IJICK ; . (Palmerston) ; believed that the. Bill would create another, army: .of-'.inspectors, a suggestion.; which was promptly denied, by the.Hon. It. MTienzi'e. ,/■ •■ ■:■"■':.|/'- V . :.;.'.:.:--.'...' : '.,..'' .' ; ~on the motion to report progress'being, put-it: was/loston.the voices., ■• .•-' : / , Question: of Permits,, i. : y, /'., , ;'•' .'■' Mr; MASSEY,thought the amendment moved,by. Mr. Allen .was a very reasonable one., He. was in favour of the Bill .and; ho hoped the amendment would bo accepted. ■■'.■■.:- '■'-.■ ' '.• --■'.■ 'The, Hon.'; R.| MICENZIE'said a man bnly ; had ■ to. prove that ,he. had . beun working in !a quarry for; three years "in the aggregate: to/get,a permit. . The .wholovpbiect of'the Bill. was".'to' prevent anyone' .handling ..explosives ; without . a permit and -without having: the necessary experience.' •■■■'-■■■'■■/■ '■''■- ■" / ' ■■" ■ '.Mr. ALLEN;;(Bruce).'said.that if the '-man'age'r'i and -the , foreman held a permit, this' was ■enough.:' He was' in favour/of the'.Bill, but 'he; was. anxious to.see ;that the .small .quarries were not , hampered; in their 'work. ' . '."'■■':': ,'.' '■■(■ ■;- Mr.: Allen's .amendment was lost by 39 ■tO:W,..>■■■::■? •'■-. " ' ' "-■. V' '.. .'-.■■. .V.Mr.,MALCOLM.(Clntha).moyed a further., amendment, in '■' regard'. to. the con-' ditions. under,. which.. a permit; should be granted,, but the amendment' ivas lest by' -3£b'-t6"i2S..'- , ,'■;■■: v:,," "/'-;■ '' " I -'Mr.. 1 BUCHANAN (Wairarapa) moved ':• an. ■■'amendment' to the .effect that a knowledge, of explosives" and: quarrying should bo the sole qualification-necessary before a , .permit would be issuecl.'and that there •should be. nor period o{-requirement, v The.Hoh'.-E.'M'KENZIE said: he would be ■willing ;to reduce",the" aggregato exporicrice required; from 'three.-years'"■'■■to ..two'years;:■: ; ■,"'•.;■ ■,• •■--''•' " ■•■■■: • ,:."'■' I ■'.', Mr. J: 'P. LUKE; (Wellington Suburbs)' thought, the'. prOpositiQri /niade by Mr, Bnehanan was an excellent one. ■ ■ .. ' :The amendment was lost By 10 to 23.' ■■'■ ■i Mr. WRIGHT (Wellington South)' ask'ed ,tho;Ministcr;if he could see his way.to reduce' the' experience required' , to one year.-.-.'. ...-. ■; ■: . ■.".'. ..','..■ .■,■■:'■.-•'-> '• " The Hon: E.' M'KENZIE said 'he could' :not'see his,.way■"clear :to go, lower than . two, years, and'he moved , to that-effect'-'-■Mr.;MASSEY thought the 'two years' experience,: was altogether too long. •'. '■■■.■■ On: a' division being taken'■'the amendment was carried by .37-t0'26.: '"'■-,'■..■■■ ; , ::At, this, sdage .;■■ progress .was reported,. and 'the . 'HouseV adjourned; ~;.■■■■.. ■■~'-.' '' : ANiMALSVPROfiECTrOH BILLi, : ,\;tinder..the;.inimals'V.Protection Amend-ment-Bill; which : circulated "last night, the use of cylinders l for;.the purpose of' staking or killing ■ ducks or other native; game, in, .any ' lako- or river is" prohibited. \ The' Minister, inay grant per.mission- to ;any person to: hold ', native game in.p'ossessipn for a- longer'"period' than , seven'..days after; ; tho, close of ' the season, , ' but ; such; permission- shill, not .bo: deemed to '■: authorise, the -'killing of. any native game after the close of, the season; Authority may be- given ..to' an accliniatisation society to take native game .for dis.tribution, or any. scientific •'purpose. The Minister may authorise; the; introduction, jntoNeiv Zealand 5 : of- any. animals .-for ■the purpose :of. : exhibition only,, whether in "a zoological' garden --or -a ■ travelling ■menagerie..-'. Such 1 authority..,shall not- be given unless; the. Minister is satisfied as to the arrangements;: -:■■...;■•■■•■ ■ . ,';■";■ V : :;/lN''.rN'FqRl«AL..GATHEmNG;' : :':Tho..whole of-.-'the i , members sof '■''"the assembled at■ "Awarua" : 'House;''-., the ; residence ;'.of : the Prime Minister, ..yesterday evening, during the .dinner adjournment of the House.., The purpose of the. gathering .has not ■ been .disclosed, but -it is understood that" it ■was , mainly of,a'social.nature. .. ;;' :' ; ;";- : : X } : ";.'"A "DREAM."; '; ,' . : 1 "Let. them dream their, dreams," said the , Hon. J. .Carroll, '■; Native Minister, when. - the. proposal of Mr. Henare Kaihaii, member for the Western Maori district, for tho-establishment of a Maori township in the Waikato arid the settingup- of a. Maori Parliament was-.brought under his notice.. Mr. Carroll said he would .give every . assistance . to. any scheme calculated to • preserve the Maori, language - and- traditions, and uplift' the race, but he indicated,; althotigh. he carefully avoided'using ttt'e' H 'word,. that he considered' Mr.'. Kaihau's. scheme impracticable. -.'. . ■ •;.-.: ';•:; -.-.■;.HAWKE'S BAY RIVERS, - . I . The' Hawke's Bay Rivers Bill, intro-. du'eed by the Hon. J. ;D...Ormond, was circulated yesterday; "The Bill aims at the abolition of the Ta'radale and Meeanee River Districts, and. thc : constitution ■' of a new.river district''in -the Hawke's' Bay county, also,to provide, for the improve-, ment of unproductive' lands within the district, -and.to" more' effectually control the Tutaekuri'. arid- Ngaruroro Rivers. Provision; is'made for*.dividing, the new district: into five wards as, under:—Taradale, IHO acres; Meoanee, 5520 acres; Papakura, 11,271. acres; Karamu, 7000 acres; and Omaraenui ward,' 5120 acres. Provision is also made for a'river board.for tho district, consisting, of. eight members, to-be elected as.under:—One by the ratepayers of Taradale. ward, one by- the ratepayers of Omaraenui ward, and two for each of the three, remaining wards.