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704. Have you seen Pomare down here ? —I have a very faint recollection of him. He paid a short visit once. He came to Otaki, and I believe he was at Horowhenua. 705. He is not the only foreign chief who has visited Horowhenua to your knowledge; there have been chiefs from the Wairarapa and elsewhere ?—Quite so. 706. And they have paid longer visits than Pomare ?—I do not know about that. 707. Do you know whether any of Pomare's descendants have lived on this block?— The question is, who are his descendants ? 708. You have mentioned a certain number of Te "Whatanui's people—Caroline, Hitau, and others, and Tauteka ; can you name any others of Te Whatanui's people who have lived on this block to the same extent ?—I expect I could if I could recall the names. 709. The others you can remember, because they were prominent? —Yes. 710. But; any others would not have been brought under your notice ? —There are other people who resided also on the block, and if brought under my notice I might recollect them. ■ 711. Do you know one called Tenai Anema?—Yes. 711 a. When do you recollect his living on this block?—As far back as I can remember. 712. He lived with Te Whatanui, did not he?—He lived on part of the block. 713. Are you aware that he was a half-brother of Te Whatanui and Hitau ?—I could not say; he was pretty well looked up to as a prominent man. 714. Can you say whether the reason of Caroline pulling down your father's fencing was the fact that your father refused to pay her rent ?—I could not say exactly ;no doubt it was something to that effect. 715. Your father did not recognise her claim, and she promptly asserted herself ? —Very likely. 716. You were born at the mouth of the river? —No; I was born at Otaki, but I came here very young. 717. During the whole of your life up to the Court of 1873, did you not always look on the land to the south of the Hokio as Ngatiraukawa land—the land of those who lived south of Eakauhamarna ?—Of course, as it was always claimed and occupied by them. 718. And, but for the judgment of 1873, you would consider it so to this day?—No ; not quite all, because there was a section of the Muaupoko occupied south of the lake. 719. Beginning at the Waiwiri Lake, and taking the beach boundary, take the occupation south of the stream down to there : it was always looked on as Ngatiraukawa land ?—Yes ; but south of the lake there was a Muaupoko or two occupying. 720. There was a settlement at Otawhawha which was Ngatiraukawa, was there not ?—Yes. 721. And at Mahiwinui?—Yes ; that was Ngatiraukawa. 722. Eakauhamama also?— Yes. 723. Do you know the hapus which occupied that land ? —I cannot be particular to the hapu, but I might know some of the names. 724. Matene te Whiwhi ?—I do not recollect him. 725. Keraipe te Puke ?—Yes. 726. Horomona Tauatui ?—I do not recollect him occupying, but I remember him exercising acts of ownership ; he never resided there; Ido not know that he came there to get eels. 727. Watene te Waewae ?—Yes. 728. Nerehana te Paia?—Yes. 729. Kakira Kipihana ? —I do not remember her. 730. Neville Nicholson ?—I remember him with his father and mother—l will not say to the south of the block. 731. Tauteka Matene?—Yes. 732. Kipihana Te Tenei? —I do not remember him, 733. Tamati Te Raupasaha? —I do not remember him. 734. His head-quarters were at Otaki, and he did not come on to this land to get food in the ordinary Maori way ?—I do not recollect him. 735. Eakapa Tapiora ? —I do not recollect her. 736. Nga ti Hikitanga?—l could not tell you. 737. Nga ti Pareraukawa ?—I might know the people. 738. Can you say how soon it was after Te Whatanui's death that the sheep were removed by your father on account of wild dogs ?—I suppose it was two or three years, more or less. 739. Whatanui Tutaki had no children living on this land? —I do not think he had any family at all. 740. If he had, you never knew any of them ? —No. 741. You think if he had a family, you of all persons would have been likely to know of them ?— No. 742. Were you at the Court of 1873, for the investigation of this block ?—No; I was not. 743. If you had been asked, who were the representatives of Te Whatanui, after his death on this land, what answer would you have given ? —lt would not have been for me to say. 744. Speaking of what you remember in 1873, who would you say were the representatives of Te Whatanui on this land after his death ? —I should say those who lived round him had as good a. right as anyone, and it was for the Court to say who were his other relations. 745. If you were asked after the death of Te Whatanui, who were his representatives in this land ?—I should say those who lived and occupied it with Te Whatanui had as good a right as anybody. 746. The people in fact you have mentioned?— Yes; if I lived on the land I should say I had as good a title to this land; but not to say that I had not as good a title as my brother who lives in Taranaki.