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410. Did you take part in the Land Court investigation in 1873, at Foxton ?—No ; I did not go ; I was ill. 411. Did you go to the Court in 1886?— Yes. 412. You cannot speak of your own knowledge of what happened at the Court in 1873 ?—No. 413. You heard Te Eangi Mairehau's evidence on Saturday, respecting the Division Court of 1886 ?— Yes. 414. You heard his account of all that happened on that occasion, both outside and inside the the Court ?—Yes. 415. Is that account true?— Yes. 416. Did you attend the Supreme Court in Wanganui in 1894 and give evidence there ?—Yes. 417. Did you hear the evidence given by Te Eangi Mairehau on that occasion? —Yes. 418. Was his evidence substantially what it was here on Saturday ?—Yes ; exactly the same. 419. And the evidence you gave on that occasion was substantially the same? —Yes. 420. With regard to Block 11—the land we have been told was vested in Kemp and Warena— Kemp put Warena in, and that was the order of the Court. For whom did Kemp and Warena hold that block—for themselves, or for some one else ?—They held it for others. 422. For what tribe?— Muaupoko. 423. For the whole of the Muaupoko ?—Yes. 424. Do you include in that " whole " the people who were " pataka'd " up in the hills, or are they Eangitanes ?—No ; that was all they were going to have ; they were to have nothing else but that. 425. Were they Muaupoko or Eangitanes? —They were Muaupoko, Eangitane, and Ngatikahungunu. 426. But they were not residents who had kindled fires on the land ? —No. 427. The land was vested in these two chiefs as caretakers by those people, of whom you are one ? —Yes. 428. With regard to the block containing 4,600 acres —No. 6 —that was put in Kemp's name — for whom ?—For the members of his tribe who had been left out of the certificate of 1873. 429. Then when the descendents of Te Whatanui refused to accept the 1,200 acres—Waiwiri— what was done with it ?—lt was leased to you. 430. Before that, to whom was it given ? —To Kemp. 431. By the people, with their general consent ?—Yes. 432. For himself, or to take care of?—He would put what people he choose in it. 433. He was to do as he pleased about that ?—Yes. 434. Have you or any member of your tribe ever objected to the lease of that land to me?— No. 435. Have you or any member of your tribe ever asked me for a share of the rent, or have they ever asked it from Kemp ?—No. 436. Have you ever objected to the sale by Kemp of ten acres to me for £100?— No. 437. Nor any member of your tribe ?—No. 438. You have heard that Kemp mortgaged the whole of that land to me for £500, advanced to Mr. Edwards ?—Yes. 439". Did you or any member of your tribe object to that mortgage when you heard of it ?—No. 440. Then all the arrangements, divisions or distribution of money, and dispositions of every kind were conducted by Kemp from first to last ?—Yes; except the first lease to Hector McDonald before the subdivision. 441. And so far as you know, has the Muaupoko Tribe been always a consenting party to what Kemp has done from first to last ?—lf there had been anyone to say anything against it, it would have been said. 442. Do you remember my coming to Horowhenua about October, 1892, to meet the tribe and talk about their giving Kemp a general deed of release and discharge, admitting that they were satisfied with everything ? —Yes ; you came. 434. Was that a full meeting of the Muaupoko ? —Yes; of Kemp's people. 444. Who were absent from that meeting ?—Warena's side—the Ngatipariri. 445. Was Hoani Puihi at that meeting?—l did not see him there. 446. What is Hoani Puihi, in your opinion? Is he Ngatipariri, or is he only bound up with them ?—He went to Ngatipariri and stayed with them ; he is Ngatipariri. 447. Do you remember my then explaining to you fully what it was proposed you should do— give Kemp a full quittance of everything?— Yes. 449. Was there a licensed interpreter with me at that time ?—You were the interpreter. 450. Was Hector McDonald there ?—Yes. 451. He is a licensed interpreter ?—Yes. 452. Did that korero end in their all signing a deed which was explained to them by myself and the licensed interpreter ?—Yes. 453. Is that your signature ?—Yes; I wrote it myself. [Deed of release produced, marked F.] 454. You have heard that deed read, to the people ?—Yes. 455. Was that deed executed in a hurry ? or did we have a full talk about it ?—lt was deliberately done. 456. Was Kemp at the meeting when I submitted to you that deed and asked you if you would execute it ?—No. 457. Did Kemp ask you, or, so far as you know, any member of the Muaupoko Tribe, to execute that deed, or was it entirely my doing ? —You came up to see about it—not Kemp. 458. Do you remember one of the solicitors in the Supreme Court at Wanganui saying that he heard Kemp had paid £1,000 to get the signatures to that deed? Is that true? —I do not know that Kemp offered to pay us to do anything about it.