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Pdkulcoliatu spoke of the origin of the King movement, and said : "Wahanui was the cause of the King movement in tins place. Whitipatato said: I was the cause of preventing the investigation of Waitara. I asked who should investigate—"William King, or who else ? Governor Browne wished others to investigate it, but I said that was not according to the law. Major Kemp : I was the person hurt when I wished Waitara to be investigated. On this subject all the people have suffered. You did not suffer from what took place <at Ngapuhi or "Whanganui, but when the Waitara matter took place, then we all suffered. It was not through the King; movement, it was some of Satan's work. But that has nothing to do with Ihe business of this day. What we ought to take up, as Eewi said, is the subject of the Hikurangi meeting. We are here to-day with Sir George Grey and Tawhiao. Bewi has spoken ; Sir George Grey has yet to speak. Te Ngakau : In reference to the words said yesterday, the words spoken to-day are not the same. It was said that I was a wicked man. who caused trouble in this land. I have already asked you to tell me what I have done that is wrong. Paora Tuhaere: What I have to say in reply is this : That you were the cause of the evil. I told you this at Ngaruawahia. I told William Thompson and Wetini. These were my opponents when the flag was erected at Ngaruawahia. I said, do not approve of that evil course ;do not fly to that cause of strifeI—have1 —have nothing to do with that strife at Taranaki. Wetini and Thompson replied that they had spoken, and would enter into the war at Taranaki. Those men have now disappeared, and you are in their place. That was what I referred to yesterday, —that somebody came and brought Potatau away from the midst of the Europeans. When the Waikatos were defeated, they lost their lands also. Thompson withdrew from them, and he deceived Waikato. Now you, Te Ngakau, are following in his footsteps. I tell you that you are deceiving Waikato. By-and-by, when you have deceived them, and got them into trouble, you will withdraw from them. I tell you, cease your work. The chiefs of Waikato will not disappear, and they can conduct matters. lam alive. There are other men alive who are at the foot of Tawhiao. I will not agree that you should conduct all matters. Arise, and let us return to Tamaki. Let your place of abode be one with Sir George Grey, so that the words you speak may come true —that the Island and the people are yours. Thus you will be a father for the people in the Island. Sir George Grey, who will conduct the European affairs, has the bulk of the land and the majority of the people of New Zealand on his side. We have only got a small portion of the land and of the people. It would be a good thing that you should become one with us. Come away and become a father to the people of the Island, and let your works be carried out conjointlv. Let your laws be the same for both people. Take up your burden and come away. My houses are not yet unfit for occupation. We have been deceived by the tribes, and it will not do for us to be deceived any further. It has been said that the people w Tho cleave to the Queen are running after money. Tes ; I will agree to that. It is the supporters of the King who beg from the Government. The Queenites do not ask the Government for their luxuries. The Kingites are always asking for Government aid. But if you act as you are doing, I will put a stop to that begging. Paora Karelai (Ngatiraukawa) said that they could not come to a decision. He was in the position that his tribe were divided on the question,—one part was on the Kingite side, and the other on Sir George Grey's side. Te Ngakau said : All I want is that the people should keep their own land. Now, Paul, what is my fault ? What William Thompson said was that the King should stand, and that the Queen should stand, and that their love should be bound by faith. All I have to say is : Hold on to what you have got. But what have I done that is wrong ? Major Te Wheoro: We have been beguiled by the faults of the people of the South—by the people that were mentioned by Pakukowhatu. This has been the cause of trouble. You will say that Sir George Grey is the cause of trouble, but I tell you that the trouble was caused by Te Heuheu, Turoa, and Eewi. When Potatau was brought into Waikato, the words uttered by him and Sir George Grey disappeared, and what was the result ? Death ! Let them bury this thing (Kingism) out of sight. I will never agree to have this thing. There are two causes of trouble. The selling of the land was a cause of trouble. I was brought to grief through deceit. I will not agree that I should suffer twice. Bewi said: At Whakairoiro I became reconciled to listen to what you had to say. Then, at Hikurangi, I went so far as to very- nearly sign my name. Who has been the cause that we are not near that point to-day ? At Whakairoiro I came close to your parent to lift him up ; at Hikurangi I was on the point of signing, but who has been the cause of my speaking in this way now ? Sir Georqe Grey : Eewi has spoken very sensibly. We have had two meetings—one at Whakairoiro, one at Hikurangi. Eewi and myself met at Waitara. We agreed there that a tree should be planted, which he hoped would bear good fruits for the whole Island. The question is, why have you gone away from that ? Let the reasons be stated. Let them be thrown out in the presence of this meeting, then we shall know what answer to make to you. Te Ngakau : I consider that Wahanui's question is still unanswered. I knew the reason why Tawhiao said that you should rest at Alexandra. Wahanui's question should be replied to. I will by-and-by speak my own thoughts. Major Te Wheoro; Wahanui's question has been replied to. I have told you already that it was through the tribes following a certain course that trouble arose. Paora Tuhaere : We have replied that the trouble arose through you joining the war at Taranaki. Henalce Takarangi (Mete Kingi's son) : My reply to Te Ngakau's question is this : That a very small portion of the Island is left for Tawhiao to control. This is also my reply to Wahanui. The thoughts of the friendly Natives have been uttered. Most of the land is dwindling away. The Government have got most of the land, and the fault rests with you. You have only a small portion of the Island remaining to you. The trouble that arose at Whanganui did not extend to you, but remained with us. Wahanui named several places at which the question of Kingism had been discussed, and repeated his question: Who separated the Maori from the Queen ? He said, if we do not finish to-day ox to-morrow, do not return home.