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531. And that afterwards, in the same year, this gentleman—Mohi—presented a large number of claims ? —I thought that was the time when he brought the claims. It turns out they were brought in previously. He was on his way to the Revision Court. 532. Do you consider yourself justified in making a statement so loosely as that upon oath ?—I was not certain whether he was bringing these, or going to have names placed on the roll. I suspected he was going to have names placed on the roll, therefore I said, "Friend, it is no use going, because I was there a short time ago, and Mr. AVilliams said it would not bo right, in accordance with law." I forgot to state yesterday that Mr. Williams told me at the time, " You had better take them, hut I think when they reach the Revising Officer they will be struck off the roll." That is why I went back with the forms. 533. Then that amounts to saying, instead of asserting that he refused to accept them, that he said he would accept them if you took them to the proper place ? —That was on account of my urging him to accept them. I was discouraged, and I took them back, as I thought it would be useless bringing them here. 534. How long a period elapsed between the time Mohi came to the Revision Court and the time you offered the claims to Mr. AVilliams ? —I think it was about two or three weeks after he came. 535. AVas it four weeks ? —lt may have beeu. lam not certain. 536. AVas it six weeks ? —I do not know. Hone would know. 537. He would not know. How long was it ? —lt may have been two or three weeks ; lam not certain. Mr. Williams -. I forgot when I was alluding to these papers to add that those are the only papers ever presented and shown to me by Sydney Taiwhanga. He showed me no papers whatever ; no applications to be placed on the roll in 1878 —not one. Hone Moni Tawhai sworn and examined. 538. What is the nature of the evidence you wish to give ? —I wish to give a preliminary explanation of the evidence. 539. AVill you proceed to do so ?—Before the time Mr. McLeod and Mr. Carleton were voted for Mr. Carleton came to me and asked me to have my name placed on the roll. Mr. Carleton and Mr. Rouse, a clergyman, made out an application to have my name placed on the roll. I signed my own name, and it was attested by Mr. Rouse. The qualification inserted in the claim was " Crown grant," in which there were eight persons, not one hundred. 540. State tho acreage ? —Two thousand seven hundred odd acres. 541. State the value ?—AVe told Mr. Yon Stunner, when we wished to sell to the Government, that he was to ask ss. an acre for it. My name was placed on the roll. AVhen the election of Superintendent came, I voted for Mr. Gillies. My vote was not objected to at that time. Afterwards there was voting for Mr. McLeod and Mr. Carleton. My name was still on the roll. My vote was not objected to. After that there was the election of Mr. Lundon and Mr. John AVilliams. I went to support Mr. Lundon to have him elected as a member. At the time of the nomination here I proposed Mr. Lundon. It was before the election of Mr. Lundon that I went back to Hokianga. I induced my people —my hapu —to send in applications to have their names placed on the roll. They signed their own names to the applications, which were attested by me —as I was already an elector. All their names were placed upon the roll at that time. They were not objected to. At the time of the election of Mr. Lundon and Mr. AVilliams I induced all those people to vote for Mr. Lundon. They all voted for Mr. Lundon. After that Mr. Lundon received intelligence that it was the intention to have some of the names struck off the roll. I asked Mr. Lundon on what day this was to take place ; I had forgotten the date. I then came by way of AVaikare to Russell; and on my arrival here I found the Revising Officer, Mr. Lawlor. The person who wanted to have my name struck off, or who objected to my name, was Mr. Carleton. AYe stood here, and the Revising Officer asked Mr. Carleton upon what grounds he objected to my claim to vote. He objected to it on the same grounds mentioned by Mr. AVilliams —namely, the 12th clause of the Act of 1866. 542. Might I suggest possibly tho ground of objection was that you held iv common with others ? —That was the reason. I said to Mr. Carleton it was not of my own seeking that my name was placed on the roll: "it was you who had my name placed on the roll." Mr. Carleton said, " I told you that your qualification was to be your wooden house, and you inserted a Crown grant." I then said to Mr. Carleton, " I had no house at the time you came and asked me to send in an application to have my name placed on the roll; the house belonged to my father ; he was alive at the time ; but now he is dead I have his house. Therefore I wish to know the reason why you object to my name being on the roll. I think it is because I did not vote for your brother-in-law- that you had my name struck off the roll, or object to my name being on the roll." I said to him, " Listen ! now that my name has been struck off the roll I shall not be like a dog wdien it is kicked by its master and it runs away to a certain distance, and then the master calls to it to come back, and it comes back. lam a human dog who have been kicked by you : if you say to me hereafter, ' Come here, boy,' my tail will not wag to you." 543. This conversation is not very material. Will you proceed to the decision of the Court? If you choose, give the decision ? —The decision of the Court was that my name should be removed from the roll. The Commissioner intimated that Mr. Mohi's examination would be resumed on Monday, 10th March. The Court adjourned until the 10th March at 2 p.m. The above evidence was duly interpreted by me to Hone Mohi Tawhai, and he undeistands the purport thereof.—Geo. Brown, Interpreter. 4>-~ H. 8.

Hirini Taiwhanga.

March 8, 1879.

Hone Mohi Tawhai.

March 8, 1879,