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bankruptcy, and he refused to give it to you ?—Yes, he refused to give me any information. I still say so now. 235. What did you apply for ?—I applied for information on several occasions to Mr. Latter in the first bankruptcy. In one instance I took Mr. McHaffie as a witness with me. 236. You say that information was refused ?—Yes; I asked to see the records of the business in connection with bankruptcy No. 263, when I was adjudicated on the petition of Harper and Co. 237. Did you ask to see all the papers ?—Yes; I wanted to see whether these matters I have been complaining of had been entered in the minute-book at all. 238. On the 6th August, 1886, were you adjudicated a bankrupt on Mr Weston's petition?— Yes; 239. Did you make any application to the Official Assignee after 6th August, 1886, for information regarding your first bankruptcy ?—Yes. 240. What did you want to see ?—I wanted the Official Assignee to protect my interest by going on with the business of collecting my money, and to see justice done generally. \ 241. Did you ask to see the proofs of debt filed in the first bankruptcy?— Yes : I never knew of the existence of those proofs of debt for months and months afterwards. 242. Did the Official Assignee refuse to let you see the proofs of debt in the first bankruptcy ? —Yes, he did refuse. 243. Did you subsequently get access to minute-book ?—Yes, and there I saw the minutes entered, but that would be quite at the end of 1886 before I got access to the information I required in the first bankruptcy No. 263. 244. Do you remember the exact days on which you called ?—No, I cannot remember the exact days. 245. Did you suffer any loss in not being able to see these papers ?—Yes. 246. In what way?—ln one particular instance I found that Mr. H. S. Austin, on the 7th April, had filed his declaration of my debt to him for costs—that is, the proof of debt. 247. To what extent ?—Showing a balance due by me to Austin of £361 os. 9d. 248. Had Austin ever rendered you a bill of costs? —No. 249. Later on, in the civil proceedings, was any money paid out of Court to Austin?— Yes. [Proof of debt by H. S. Austin put in, and marked as "Exhibit 41."] 250. Were moneys paid out of Court to Mr. Austin afterwards ?—Yes. 251. On what dates? —On the 27th June, 1885, and again on the 4th August, 1885, two sums of money were paid out to Mr. Austin. 252. What amounts? —One amount of £175 on the 27th June, 1885, and another for £195 2s. 7d. on the 4th August, 1885. [Extract put in from the Law Trust Funds Account, of moneys paid in and paid out re G. W. Ell, marked "Exhibit 42." Order for payment of £175 put in and marked as " Exhibit 43."] 253. Do you say these moneys were paid out by order of the Court?— Yes ; but at that time I was not aware in any way of the existence of this proof of debt of Austin's, because in March, 1886, I was sued by Austin for a portion of this very debt contained in the proof that had been paid by the Official Assignee to Austin. 254. Had you to pay that sum to Mr. Austin finally ?—Yes, I had. 255. You say Mr. Latter admitted Mr. Weston's claim for £5,138, which was bad on the face of it?— Yes, I say so. 256. Were you adjudicated on a petition ? —Yes, I was adjudicated on a judgment for a little over £200. 257. Did Mr. Weston put in a proof of debt ?—Yes, for the sum of £5,138. 258. On what does Mr. Weston base his claim for £5,138? —Upon the agreement alleged to have been entered into between Mr. Nathan and las to renewal of bills. Neither the bills themselves nor the renewals ever had an existence. 259. Were no bills filed by Mr. Weston ?—No; the actual position that I held with Mr. Weston at the time of the bankruptcy in 1886, was that I had received from Nathan on the 2nd February, 1883, £1 Is. 9d. in cash, and gave an 1.0. U. for £2 3s. 6d., double the amount, as arranged at that time. On the 14th February I received £3, and gave an 1.0. U. for £8. On the 15th of the same month I received £1 7s. 3d., and gave an 1.0. U. for £2 15s. 6d. On the 15th March, 1883, Nathan gave to Austin for me £10 10s. I gave him an 1.0. U. for that for £14 4s. On the 2nd April, 1883, I received £2 75., and gave him an 1.0. U. for £4 14s. On the Bth April I received £3 65., and gave an 1.0. U. for £6 12s. On the 20th May I received £1 155., and gave an 1.0. U. for £3 10s. On the 26th May, 1883, I received £2, and gave an 1.0. U. for £4. On the 2nd June I received £1 10s., and gave an 1.0. U. for £3 10s. On the 27th June, 1883,1 received £12 75., and gave an 1.0. U. for £24. On the 9th July, 1883, I received £2 10s., and gave an 1.0. U. for £5. On the 13th August I received £2 os. 6d., and gave an 1.0. U. for £4 Is, On the 2nd September, 1883, I received £1 Is. 6d., and gave an 1.0. U. for £2 3s. On the 10th September, 1883, I received £4 2s. 4d., and gave an 1.0. U. for £8 4s. Bd. On the same date I received 18s., and gave an 1.0. U. for £1 16s. On the 16th September, 1883,1 received £3, and gave an 1.0. U. for £6. On the 19th I received £2 Bs., and gave an 1.0. U. for £4 16s. On the 2nd October, 1883, I received £2 25., and gave an 1.0. U. for £4 4s. On the 9th October, 1883, I received Bs. 6d., and gave an 1.0. U. for 17s. 260. What was your total indebtedness to Nathan at the date of your bankruptcy?—l received from Mr. Nathan in all in actual cash £103 18s. Id., and I gave him 1.0.U.'s for £201 os. 2d. 261. Was it on that £201 os. 2d. that he sued you and got judgment?—No, Sir ; Mr. Nathan received £87 4s. by collection of my accounts, less commission due to him for collection, £9 65.; so that he had received £77 18s. out of the £103 18s. Id. which I had originally borrowed from him ; so that the actual cash balance I owed Nathan was about £26. . 261 a. And how much on I.O.U.'s?—£l2o.