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Thursday, 23rd January, 1879. The Commission met at Parliament Buildings, Wellington, at 10 o'clock a.m. Present: Professors Brown and Cook, Mr. Cutten, Rev. W. J. Habens (Secretary), Dr. Macdonald, Professors Sale, Slfend, aud Ulrich, and Dr. Wallis. On the motion of Dr. Macdonald, the chair was taken by Professor Cook. The minutes of the proceedings of the Commission at last meeting wero read and confirmed. The Secretary read the correspondence since last meeting, including the following telegram from tho Chancellor of the New Zealand University : "It would bo more convenient to mo to appear on tho 6th, instead of lst, and return next day. Would this suit as well ? " On the motion of Dr. Wallis, seconded by Professor Brown, Resolved, That tho Chancellor be communicated with, and informed that it would expedite the business of the Commission if it were possible for him to be in Wellington not later than the 3rd February, but that the Commission is willing to accede to his request if his earlier presence would cause him great inconvenience. The Commission, however, is unable to say that the examination will last only one day. The Secretary laid on the table the following books : —l. Report of Commissioners on Universities of Scotland, 4 vols., 1878. 2. Code of Regulations, with appendix of new articles, by Committee of Privy Council on Education in Scotland, 1878. 3. Japanese Education. 4. The Great Schools of England. 4. New Zealand University Calendars for 1873, 1874, 1875, 1877, and Supplement 1877. G. Report of Commission on Boys' High School, Dunedin, 1873. 7. Hansard, from 1887 to 1877. 8. File of Lyttelton Times for 1874. Professor Sale reported the progress made by tho University Committee, and submitted further papers, which were ordered to bo printed. On the motion of Dr. Macdonald, soconded by Professor Brown, Resolved, That the Commission do now adjourn, to meet again at the same place on Monday, the 27th instant, at 10 o'clook a.m,

Monday, 27th Januaey, 1879. The Commission met at Parliament Buildings, Wellington, at 10 o'clock a.m. Present: Professors Brown and Cook, Mr. Cutten, Hon. W. Gisborne, Rev. W. J. Habens (Secretary), Br_. Hector and Macdonald, Professors Sale, Sliand, and Ulrich, and Br. Wallis. On the motion of Dr. Wallis, seconded by Professor Brown, the chair was taken by Mr. Cutten. The minutes of the proceedings of the Commission at last meeting were read and continued. The debate was resumed on the question, " That the meetings of the Commission bo open to the public j" and tho amendment proposed thereto, " That all the words after ' That' be omitted, for the purpose of inserting the words ' tho proceedings of tho Commission be communicated to the Press by the Secretary, us the Commission shall from time to time direct.' " Question put, That the words proposed to be omitted stand part of the question ; upon which the Commission divided, with tho following result: —Ayes, 2 : Hon. W. Gisborne and Br. Wallis. Noes, 8 : Professors Brown and Cook, Mr. Cutten, Rev. W. J. Habens, Dr. Macdonald, Professors Sale, Shand, and Ulrich. The words were consequently omitted. Question put, That the words proposed to be inserted be there inserted. Dr. Wallis proposed, and Professor Ulrich seconded, the addition of the following words: " but that no member of the Commission is bound to secrecy in reference to tho business transacted at meetings of the Commission." Question put, That tho words proposed to be added be there added ; upon which the Commission divided, with the following result: —Ayes, 2 : Professor Ulrich and Br. Wallis. Noes, 9: Professors Brown and Cook, Mr. Cutten, Hon. W. Gisborne, Rev. W. J. Habens, Br. Hector, Br. Macdonald, Professors Sale and Sliand. So it passed in the negative. Question put, That the pi'oceedings of tho Commission be communicated to the Press by the Secretary, as the Commission shall from time to time direct. The Rev. W. J. Habens proposed, and Professor Brown seconded, That all the words after "That" be omitted, for tbe purpose of inserting the words, " unless it shall be otherwise specially directed, tho proceedings of the Commission, exclusive of debates, evidence, and documents, may be communicated to the Press by the Secretary." Question put, That the words proposed to be omitted stand part of the question; upon which the Commission divided, with the following result: —Ayes, 3 : Mr. Cutten, Brs. Macdonald and Wallis. Noos, 8 : Professors Brown, and Cook, Hon. W. Gisborne, Roy. W. J. Habens, Br. Hector, Professors Sale, Shand, and Ulrich. So it passed in the negative. The question being put, That the words proposed to be inserted bo there inserted, it passed in the affirmative, and the motion as amended was agreed to. The Secretary laid on the table the following books : —l. Otago Provincial Council Proceedings, 1869-70. 2. Otago Ordinances, 18fia-69. 3. o_igo Education Reports, 183(5-73. 4. Appendices to Journals of Houso of Representatives, 1871-77. 5. Report of Bublin University Commission, 1878. 6. New Zealand Gazette, 1877 and 1878. 7. A set of New Zealand University Calendars. 8. Twenty copies of Calendar, 1878. 9. Complete Minutes of University, 1871-78. 10. Examination Papers, New Zealand University, 1878. The Secretary read a letter from Mr. G. Hunter, M.H.R., stating his inability to furnish information asked for in reference to the Wanganui Industrial School, and suggesting that application should be made to his Lordship the Bishop of Wellington. On the motion of Br. Macdonald, seconded by Br. Wallis, the Secretary was instructed to communicate with his Lordship the Bishop of Wellington. Dr. Macdonald brought up the report of the Committee on Secondary Schools, which was read as follows: — The Committee reports that it has distributed the subjects falling within its scope under heads, and indicated the sources of information, as follows : — I. PUBLIC SECONBARY SCHOOLS. List of Schoois. A. Already Established. —l. Auckland College and Grammar School. 2. Church of England Grammar School, Auckland. 3. Napier Trust Schools. 4. Wellington College. 5. Wanganui Collegiate or Industrial School. 6. Nelson College. 7. Bishop's School, Nelson. 8. Christ's College and Grammar School, Canterbury. 9. Girls' High School, Canterbury. 10. Otago Boys' High School. 11. Otago Girls' High School. 12. Invercargill Girls' High School. B. Proposed to be Established. —l. Whangarei High School. 2. Auckland Girls' High School. 3. Thames Boys'and Girls' High School. 4. New Plymouth High School. 5. Wanganui High School. G. Christchurch Boys' High School. 7. Ash burton High School. 8. Timaru High School. 9. Waitaki High School. 10. Invercargill Boys' High School. Points op Inquiry and Sources of Information (A. Papers ; B. Persons). 1. History and Objects. —A. _. Ordinances and Acts of Foundation and Government (see List appended) : Local Acts (1877) LI., LIL, LXXXII.; (1878) XVIIL, XXVI., XXX., XLL, XLIL, LIB, LIV., LV*., LXIII.; b. Prospectuses and annual reports of the several schools; c. Reports of Commissions of Inquiry—Otago High Schools, 1809, 1873, and 1877 ; d. Returns to bo obtained from Secretaries ns to foundation, objects, and most important facts in the history of the schools. B. Members of governing bodies, headmasters, _x-,