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39. What do you think is a fair remuneration for the practitioners as vaccinators ?—Five shillings per case, I should think, in towns. 40. Sir David Monro.] Have you had an opportunity of studying the provisions of the Bill now before us ? —I have not. 41. Mr. Webster.] In saying that, you refer to the centres of population ?—Yes ; I do not know anything about the country. 42. Mr. Richmond.] Have you any experience of vaccination from the cow ?—I have not. 43. So far as you have read, do you approve of it ?—I do not. 44. Do you believe, if vaccination be properly performed, that it it is possible to introduce contagious diseases into the human frame ?—I do not. Dr. Kemp in attendance, and examined. 45. Mr. Richmond.] Have you anything to add to the evidence of Dr. Johnston on the point of contagious disease ?—No. I think that it is impossible if the proper precautions be taken. 46. Have you seen the Bill now before the House on this subject?—l have just had it put into my hand. 47. What is your opinion about non-professional vaccination ? —I think vaccination ought to be confined to medical practitioners. 48. Have you had any experience in using vaccine lymph from the cow ?—No. 49. Mr. Rolleston.] Would lymph which was taken from a syphilitic person if passed through a cow be secure ?—I cannot say positively. I should prefer not using it. 50. Sir David Monro.] Have you formed an idea of the manner in which this Act could be carried out successfully in the sparsely populated districts ? —I think this would be assisted by the Government paying the fees of the vaccinator if the people could not. 51. What do you think would be a reasonable fee for vaccination to pay to a country practitioner ?—Five shillings per case would be a fair remuneration within a certain radius, outside of which he should, I think, be allowed mileage. 52. Do you think that such medical man would consider that it was of some advantage to his private practice to be the Public Vaccinator ?—I should think so. Dr. France in attendance, and examined. 53. Mr. Richmond.] Have you anything to add to the evidence that you have heard concerning the alleged transmission of contagions diseases by vaccination? —No; except to express my opinion that by the use of pure lymph it is rendered impossible. 54. Mr. Rolleston.] In a case in which vaccine matter mixed with blood was taken from a syphilitic patient, would that communicate disease ?—Yes; you might have the disease as well as the vaccine vesicle, but you would not have them mixed; they would be distinct. 55. Have you any experience in the use of lymph from the cow direct ?—No, I have not; but I believe it is not so much to be depended upon as human vaccine. 56. Mr. Richmond.] In your opinion would it be advisable to use the lymph which could be procured from the large vaccine establishments? —Yes; there is no doubt at all it would be so. 57. Do you see any objection to the employment of non-professional persons ?—I should have no objection to their being employed to use pure lymph put into their hands by means of capillary tubes, but not to vaccinate from arm to arm. Dr. Knight in attendance, and examined. 58. Mr. Richmond.] Have you anything to add to the evidence already before the Committee ?—No. I agree generally with it, but I think that the vaccination from the cow would be more effective. It was found in Prussia that the greater the number of punctures for the insertion of virus taken from the human subject, the more effective the treatment was in preventing death supervening after small-pox; for instance, with four punctures in the arm the security from a fatal termination was almost absolute. 59. Have you formed any idea how a general system of vaccination could be carried out ?— No. I have not had time to look into the Act now before the Committee. No. 1. Dr. Johnston to the Chairman, Vaccination Committee. Sir — Wellington, 18th July, 1870. Since attending, your Committee on Friday last I have carefully read over the Vaccination Act, and in accordance with your request, I now most respectfully forward a few remarks upon its future operation. 1. As the wording of the Act is imperative, as regards parents and guardians having their children vaccinated, I think it should also be imperative as regards Superintendents of Provinces putting it into operation. If clauses 5 and 7 are left as they now stand, I know from experience that this Act in some Provinces will be inoperative, while in others it will be enforced, thus making it inefficient over the whole Colony.

Dr. Johnston. 'lsth July, 1870.

Dr. Kemp. 15th July, 1870.1

jDr. France. 15th July, 1870.

Dr.\KnigU. r t — 15th July, 1870.

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