WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 25.

Otago Witness, Issue 2171, 3 October 1895, Page 20

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 25.

In tho legislative Couucil to - day the Poncing Bill waa considered in Oommiti*e, and progress reported thereon. In the House of Reprt-ecntatives to - diy the Premier anuoun od tliut it was not intended to take tho census next, year. Tho counting of the people is fco be postponed till 1901, so as to f<»Il ia lino with tho mother oountry and Australia. The Customs and Excise Duties Bill was then fuither considered in Cororoiitee, and ano'her afternoon and cveuing devoted to the lar<ff. Tho most important alteration made was the oh'ikiug out from tho fiee list of all machinery, on which tho (Jovernmoab intend to chat^o a duty of 5 per c?nt., with too o'ljvcfc of niaMog up for the loss to tho revfnue through the various alterations previously made. THE TAttU'l' BILTi. The Custom* and Exuian Duties Bill was further cwmli-rel in Cmamittoo. In ths Echtdiile, bxewptton from enstoma duties, Mr T MACK.KNy.iK moved that "rock" fait bo i tnicH oui, in or<ier tUftfc alt u^lb ruijjht be admitted du'y free. ---Tha Hon. Mr Smddon Baid it was »«* imjovibio for theae r> ducnons to ha perrui ted. He pointfd out that, as a result of co.icO3*k>ns ajrondy made by tho Gr>vt;r>ime*2fc, 8>t»o >tiw»B woull lnvo t> bo t»ktn from t v -o fre-> list in ordor to m^koii') tits lo«ft of roveuiio Th* G >vortiu'eiit hu\ to i«i-.'i;o th^ic j.o-itii>n s.'Jie, -Mid tlioy o >uld not thi -.-.t'-re grHn!) any futth'r o.»n 'Options It wai imp'uhiWe for tbo (4\>vorumisnt to allow tho colony 6o incur a d fiaib in nvctiue, which would cejv taiiUy happen if at>y mo^o reductions iv d »ty wt-ie mido (\rtain nv-ri>be»*d of the Hou-o who j.o>jsr>":ed no r Sjon^ibih^y wcro C"U-t'>a'ly propi'ain^ rt>ouc'.i;>i>s of duty im^jjfl'tne of the ro^'lt which th'-ic notion oii^iifc kayo on Iho ie^cn'ie, buS he v*isV"d to remimi tfco«o mciibefs M:as tLey had equal rtiipouMhiiiiy v?ifc'i tbo Grovern-M»<M.t iv tetu^g tba 1 ! the finance w&a ix>t weakened. As b^e concessions already made amounted to £23,000, tho Uvvt>cntt,enii could nos cMimit; to asiy furilot: rpdtut o>>.«. — Me Buchanan said tho Gowfpmi/iit, estimate", wero no', to ba relied en. — Tho Hon. flic Wauo rc-t'utid tha*; n-mark, and eaid fhfy wero !>o£ the ts'im ".lt's of thn Government, but of responsible efficra app"i>vt>d for tho purpose. — The Hlh. J. M 'ifENziH hoped thos«) numbers who now propcscU so many redaotioaß would not a*k fo<? r>>ad« and bfid4j's when the PabHc W.jrks Stabi-mont ©awe down His o^iuion was tr-at th'-y should be very w»-ll stti-flol win.); h»d Iwen donfl «»i*h tho foiiff, fs^ec : a'l> a-> t'.o GoVcri.ta-nt them-..-lvts had u>aJo a g"'-d tr^iny reductions iv tha tiuty. li furfchf-r rtidnc-ioiis w*re nude tha fctxafcion would hare to be incr<»*S'd on land, and he knew a way to do it. — Oap*»iu Uus^i-L (?a!d furirhwr {aT>swm oculd not ba pui up-ja land, b-:eai«e ixtrae.ts were so hciwily t*.vd now a 4to bo in ra&uy | owos in a n\aJko of fcwukrop cy, and th s would und«nb^o<?h injure the ituikuig c\ is-wu, — . Tlia Hon. J. M'i£NNzr-i said ifi was nmu-ini; to bflfir hon. geMlomeu oa the oth*r »id« of tfco HyR3O falk. Tiiey ka&v porfpcSly woil feka-^ if taxntioH o >uld cot be g«>t from tko ou>t<>ns<t ib 1 muifc bo irafiOoPd in somo otJi«r «-h*po or form. — Mr G. W UussHf.L mowd that to+vse aad rock s»)t b (> ijjjvod i>u tho fro* lisA.— AJt*v a lo*\gthy diflCUff»i >n, Mr Ru-seli's aw^iiduujijb t<> PXirn.i.t coarse salt from duty was lost by 40 to 19. — IVI*? T. Mackgszik's amersdment to strike out rock salt was loah on tbo voici>». Ok»as 7, loaiher, &a. — Mr Buchanan ra-sved to admit bits and stirrup irons free. — Loso by 36fc015. Goa skins, nndre'flcd —Tbo Hou. Mr Wadd moved to sk*(l to febifj ifcom "ro-igh tanned bu!» ur>i?r».>«Bed." — A/rvt'l fci. CJasb 10, f».ncy g<x.d", $&-.. — Ti'o Hon. Me Ward iuov*d to a<i<i " phou'^rftpfcs ot lert-oiul friouils in lefcteis or pack»jt»." — Ajreti-J to. — • (^a^Mftin Russ'kll moved to oa the free list "staiued ghim ivindo^s specially inip*n-<:ed for churches and j.ublic buililings."— Loei by 35 to 18. On Mir* RK't'on of fchcj Hon. Mt Waxj» niounled as wvll as cut or uocut prceiou') stones were ad^od to th« freo l>«t. C'ass 11, pT'er, ka — Me Mohmsox moved (» s^rikt out tK.tokbin<iecs' leather.— The Hou. Ms Waho op|x v scd tlis, and pointed out th*t if this item wore eliroiti&Wl ib would »dd to ihA t=vxrttion. — The Chaiunan ob 1 Cohmittkks sa?d in fae»i of thi.i hi must ml,: the auicn'lruent oat of order. On the motion of Mr I'iiiani cartridgo ptpers for drawing w&R added fw ttie lihfc. CH*s« 12, metals.— Oa tho motion of tho Hon. Mr Wahd tJie item biuyole fttbin^s waa made to include pucuuv>lic t^res (owtsido covfr^ar^di^^nfr tube 1 -), mobor ami cork liai-dNn, and p* dal nil)b> rs. On it<"in " Iv.lt-rf sin b^. J^ia in nia-'ti' t-r anil niit) fur Mini," Mr Vl a i xmiaiv ni'>v« Ato ni-ike the <Jiaiucr \\n. —Ale I'Ufiuii nvyved fo atiilce cvi; thw who v itoca with a rie^v of viff-vliug ctvrriago or co-ich bol(a and nu^s 5 v h,y liv ia diameter or nn/1- r, online' rs' )xAia ervl icon nuld tripped a:->\ mtUpped a* boJh e»)ds — Sic Du'hie'b atrwnd j.« nt was loofc by 45 to 1?. — Mt E*ri sbftwV am n Intent was r'lled out of or.ltr, as it would t» rul la iuorea&s (ax.itiuii. Mr Ma/.si»y ni"vnl to pKvre or. the free lut tr.ice3 tuid pU-u^i) chains or nvot'.l uxticl- .i required !< r retail ing rid^n^ or driving hi'.vucn. — Agreed to on the Voices. An ami-n'lment by Mr Eahnshaw to strike put eracy grindit g machine waa held to be out of order. Mr G. J. Smith moved to iAzc* emery wheels ou the fres libt. Thia wa.' carried by 30 to 21. Ou the motion of Mr BaiCK Morryr/o^ht^-'fl cbercicAl fite eogiues wtru aided to the froa list.— Mr EAJiNbUAW struug.ly oojocted to the number of conctK>kns tba 1 . \vui\) being inserted in this cluss, and said tho cugincO'iug trade w«*iot bi-in^' considered by the (Joloitir.l Treasurer. He wauttd to get all he could ouo of the to fwi. — Tho Hon. Mr Waud rt6tntv.d these remark?, and said they were without fouu-dat-iin. In the item " ironwire Lot otherwise enumerated," Mr lUassey moved to add, "including fuming wire, plain and barbed."— Thia was carried by 33 to 22, and fencing wire fiually placed on the five IM. In the item "dair} ing machinery," Mr Millab moved to strike out engines and beilerfl specially imported for and to be used in a dairy.— Hon. Mr Skijuon ssid ho would like to bco all nn-'hi-f-ry pk<el on the saroo footing —Uon. Mr Wahd s>i-i it would he a fair thing U> ),h<M a lax of 5 per cent uptn all m*.eh'uery. 'i'hu would meaa au iucrease of £6000, and would make up for Bon e of the itoma already reduced —Mr Buchanan said country members could not faea fcbeir constituents if they pnt such fi ttx upon machinery. Several members asked (he Treasurer lo exempt machines used in the dairying and mining ii.du*tr!G3 from tho j proposed tax — Tho Hon. Mr Seddon heldthero j was no iiUuaticß iluna to either of these ia- '

duatries, inasmuch, as the proposed tax waa so low. On barbed whe alone the Government had lost £10, COO, and in other revenue £25,000,. The agricultural community had already re* ctivod £30,000 of coucessioca. If tho tax wcro not granted thero would either be c dtfloi', or tha Qoverumcut would only spend tho mouoy tbab oame in. — Captain EussELt ODusitlercd the proposal to tax machinery as most extraordinary. He held that to Bfcop th.fi wheels of indastry by such » tax would l>e tp inj no fcwry mAnafucture in the colony.— A vety long discussion ensaed, in the courfle Gl whii h thu Htn. Mx Beddqn safd tho taxation oE m&cli/iecy was forctd upoa the <3< vorhmonb by the action of the Opposition. R.-urc.senfcn* tivis ot tie farmers w«xe tiao doi»'g Ui<-ir beat to ki:l th> j Qi>vcrD(n<iut by compelling them to bavu a deficit. Ho tf gveUed tho r&ii.iiig of thfi question of tLwn »g.iinnt country in this disoutf* eion.— On a divis.on Mr Millar's amendment was carried by S7 to 25, and engines and boilers atnirk out. Mr Wiu.is mov:d to exeraiitcuppatyl.it.> for pho'o-IKh -itrayhic vrork. — • arucT. Mr-ALLKN movei ti> exesnpb buckloa of all kinds.— Loat by 32 to 20. Mr T. Mackenzie) moved to add iron fencing gt&tid&rds and fonoinjj staples. — Lost. Mr TAKNRtt moved to add knives for splitting machines. — Tho Hor». Mr Wajid promised to include thia item iv h r » 5 por cent, liafc. Beizinc in bulk and pcujjuin oil w.'iß added tothefsevH»K Curdbo&rd, n»alch buofi, and granito were" struck oni. Mr EARNsnAW moved to exempt pass<»njjora' hoaskhtiM and other effrcta np to half of £200, instead of £100.— Lot*t by 34- to 17. Cf-'uvaa iprous and elevairira for rcpor 1 } and bind ru ; al.^o bricks, othurthtni flrr, "ii'l '<piri>s foj tho oiMiuf.tcturiiigo{ yer'-uuiis 1 >>» flwoiiriur esso; c :», worn add* din t.he frr o I si". Tho Hon. Mr Si'bward ia<tvtdt.i add .:rgau9 or karmi.niumii ppuaially imported for churofaffl and public i> stitutun.a ; alto, ei'clf.i-io«ticAl vostmcntis, lecterns, and cumm\.n'on vessels. — Loafe on che voices. A T.»X ON JIAnriINKKY. When tho liut of m.chincry in tin: sihr.dulo of exi'oipti'jca wai rtraclitvi Me Vill.ir nu-vr-d to !>fc<ik« oat '•tJigiiv-H and boili:»a" in order thab they roight hi) ti^d in the intereft of loor.l iiidwtcy. The P^emiei", following, thought thai; a 5 per cenfe. fcax ou all imported njffchinery c«*>uld bo nafiily borne. Such an impo»t wuuld bo for n v.-mw pnryi^c'i o ly. O^p'-iiii Kirns til sf.rui'ly cv nn'«l t'w \>? n s«l npon tn« brrad priT:c : p't- o i l)\< c' • .;>'• , - 1: -li [iq focmnl»f>jd with much qui< t fou;>; jvii'i iv irify. Meal's FN^rnan and .Kamihaw Wiiiil.l niiiuh prefer th:t the loss already inrurrcd by tha Trta^uier ebould b<) pi:t upon b\-.«:r ; v;h>lo Mr Monfr(j~meiy aho^vtd tbafc the tt»x would, in the iqmu, fall upe.n tho agriciiltur-l prodiicty. Mr W. Hutchinoa would puc 10 por cejifc. upon erginefl and boik-rs, bub eom-s a;»ifiiity/al m.iihintry iih'.nld go free. Mr Meizdith was on the siita «f fcho c-'j»n'i-y intcrtiaft, tat Rlt M'Liich-'au thm»gh<l that, coiwiderinj the encofison on Harbud wire, he should vote for tho {xoccml for rev^nno pnEl>---B<y». The Premier ag-in orgnd uwou iho H*xi>e tre ntoffsity of roaiuorj cmTipi n. ation for tbe f't'ti-iii'; of £25 000. Ho wan very florry that tbrt (]>K"iiii-in of town versus cMm^ry had bifti r*)i<eif, for it wis ifiim'cul fo tho be*fc iiit^i'fstM of tJe ocnut'V- Tha d.-il(s : ''nf.y munfc bo mndo up, nnd he tli- u^ht tho pro[io>»il of 5 p*>r cenh. ihe im»t cqu-f.ab'o cou-ao U tho l>rii!CJ\.le was affirmed tlh) sche^ulo could be amende/I acco.-dmgly iv Cfonjiniften of Ways and ile«u3. Tho Ootuniiiteo thriu divided ajion lit Miihr's Mtiftn'frni'n^, wli'ch th« Q>»e ivoicnt su{>p<>str>«?, as a test vote. B> 27 ti- 25 it was ca*rkd. AftfT th<)"c*rr?agc of Me Milhr'ri aniondnicnfi the Tteas-urftf, alter vasv.us points of ovdec had been raise-1 and fli-*po«nfl of, moved the omi'tsiou of all tbo mjuhiucry ilcmn followinjf, and wen ft-'ainofc tte country p'tty all along tf>e Hi.c. The rt-suit will appar-«-tt*ly be th'afc to - morrow t;?o 'I'r/'afiuroE will bti«g on yeO anoth.ee R«b o£ kibqlutions in Comn-ifc-ce of Wsiys and Means imposing a du'y of 5 per cent, ni.on all nwcornory that at tho commencement of to* day's sKthigw stood in tbe srhedolo of oxemptions to the hitl. Whether the new net of re?o l tt*i «"<» w;ll tf- pr-'sont tho ripjh- hor ninth tariff I CHian >b svy. I have 10-.b pouh l ;. The wh/)le thing ii bfoi'Uiing cor<lui<i.>ii woirtt ronfcuuded. Tha foU.-,win<j ia tb* divi/on li-it on thi- lion. Mr Wf.rd'« motion to shi'ce 01, t m^c'rii 1 ly :: — • Ayes (32) — lle^sra Cad man, Carr.ct.iEH. Collins, Ciuiwll, (Jrowthcr, Itt.ll, Harris, Huge, W. Hutchis. >iv, J-.y.-e, J. W. Ktlly, W. Kelly, Lawr/, Ma wan, S. M'Konzie, R. M'K«j>z;/». la-», Mill d', JHtla, Morvi<.r»n, l'n. r :vla, Viiilciirfcon, Reeves, G 'V. Huts 'lt, Sfdtl.,n, E. I<L Smith, G. J. SmiMi, Stevona, Tanner, T. ThompaoD, W»r.l, WiTo. NoivS (,2I)L--5105r3 Allen, I?U".bnn;ni, Bnick, Button, l>incar>, TCarnshttw, lHatmun, Prftstr, Gruhnni, (Jrco.'J, H-ill-Jones, ilpkti, L.ing, T. Mao kooz-e, Maslii), MnsHey, M'Guirc, iil'Nab, Moracliih, Montgomery, ORn-.r.M, W. 11. Itussell, Stowur 1, Wi!:on. •SHE BEOtPROCAL TREATIES. Disri«a wh' lo of the extraordinarily varied con«>o of t:.*e tariff fftbxto it ia a very ftigi'iticititi fftoli that np till this aft. moon bbo Ttiaourc-r his nob made tho ro;uotft.tfc rrrerenco to bis famous reciprocal trea,tifes with <'ar.?.d& a'^d 8-x.wid AiMtr-tlia. This silence unfutaHy led rna»jy i,o believe that ho h?d (?eckse«l to ab.v dou them a3 quvJfy as pi-.-.ifible iv view o£ the InG^r hrstil t/ with which tlv.y w-ra r..cciv-d in « ; iii;Viy itiiluo. ti -1 quarler.". This vi'jw now appears to b'j cuxufoUH, for Mr Ward eta'-cl this aflt-rnocn in regard to the pro}K3j,l to plice nil salt upon the free li»fc (and not rock palb only, as prtpcaed) that ifc would cla»h with the reciprocal treaty with South Australia, »s one of the articles to be ad>nittsd free frovvi tLifc colony was salfc. If sivlfc was also to owdb in free from o^her countries, South Australia would bo derived of its jpuoial trva'.y conce3BtoES. Tie Treasurer added, in BiijWtr to a question, that the colony was in boisour ooromitti-d lo the treaty until it was either ratified or otherwise. THE CENSUS AND THE ELECTORATES. AfU: being allowed to remain unnoticed and uuujtnlioi.ed on the Ocder P*per for so long that members hftd ccme to the uoLclusion that nothing farther was to te heard of it this session, the Repreientation Bill was quite unexpectedly brought once again into prominence this afiernoon. When the bill was £lrs6 aunouueed I stated th*t tho Government did not intend to take the cenMW, which in tha ordinary course should be collected in 1895, and conßcquenlly that for the next election any Ktovem* uts of population lh*t may ha,v« tnken pl.Ace dutii tC tLe p-st (ive ytJirs would bo digrPsicirdtd. Toi> vilw of the situation u*a now been confirmed b> tbo Premier, who announced this afteruoan thafc tho Cabinet, after careful consideration, bad decided thab tho taking oft the cetiKU?, which according to the present law 6bould happen next year, ought to be put off till tbe yrar 1901. That was tbe year fixed by the Imperial authorities and by the Governments of the olhor colonies, ai>d the Premier thought ifi would bo wise for New Zealand to fall in' liv© with the rest of the Emxfire on thU <me&

fcion. Ha intended to bring down a Census Bill to enable this to be done, but owing to the present block of work in the House the measure would be introduced in fche Lwgislafcive Ootmcil. In the Representation Bill mentioned on the Order Paper ifc would bo eet forth that as there was to bo no census the commissioners would nofc bo rt quired fco make any alteration in the electoral boundaries. Perhe was of opinion that in any case rtbere Should 3e BO rcdhrtrriWStoa of ««ato anU«os a marked alteration waa shown in fche popubasis. However, oa the second reading {of the bill approximate information would be jgiren as to the present state of fche population, zoi each island and each electorate. This promise was given in answer to a question put hj Mr Mitehelson. The Premier also assured she Home that the Government did not intend fx> m*ke any alteration in fche existing city electorates until after the 1901 census. This disposeo of the report tbat it was proposed to Bplifc these op into single seats before fcho coming election.