PROVINCIAL COUNCIL.

New Zealand Herald, Volume II, Issue 315, 15 November 1864, Page 6

PROVINCIAL COUNCIL.

MOD AT, 14-rir NOVEMBER. "The Speaker took the chair at 3 o'clock. Tliero 'were 16 members present. The Clerk read the minutes of the previous sitting. Mr. Wtn'n presented a petition from D. Kennedy :relating to a land claim. MESSAGES. (85.) Referring to the question of the purchase o Hie old Supremo Court Bouse site, the Supcrinten dent infoims the Provincial Council that he is uhva\ most desirous to meet the wishes of the Council, unc will give willing and immediate attention to an; .feasible scheme the Council may propose for pro Tiding funds for that purchase. As yet no suggestioi •of a sufficiently practical nature or sufficiently frei from the gravest inconvenience to the province n large has been offered. The Superintendent deem: it. right to inform the Council that he would not fee it his duty to consent to diminishing for such a pur pose the earn set opart for the purchase of nativt lands, and thus to disenable the Government fron doing justice to immigrants under the land rcgula lions of 5858, but that he would, if requested by roso lution of Council, go so far as to send down a bil empowering him to provide for the purpose desirec out of that portion of the half-million loan which i: at present intended for the city of Auckland although he does not recommend such a course o consider the city portion of the loan properly avail .able for the purchase in question. Robert GbaitaM, Superintendent. (86.) In compliance with the request contained ii the address of No. 55, of date Sth November, instant the Superintendent lays before the Provincial Counci a return of the sums paid to or charged by the lnti Provincial Law Officer on account of Government pri vate bills ; also a return of sums paid to any pro fessional person on account of Government privuti bills. Robert Gbaiiam, Superintendent. Enclosure. Eaturn of all sums paid to or chargcd by the lat Provincial I,aw Officer, on account of Govern ment Private Bills. Amounts paid. 1864. .£ b. d July 18—T;. "W. "Wynn, for fees charged and expenses in drawing and conducting the Auckland and Drury Railway Bill, through both Houses of the General Assembly, Session 1863 175 0 I Bill unopposed. Amount cHarged, but not paid. July 18—X. W. WyBD, for fees, charges, and expenses, in drawing and conducting the Auckland Harbour Debenture Act, 1863, through both Houses of the General Assembly, Session 1863 - -- -- -- 50 0( Bill unopposed. No other accounts for similar services have beei paid or charged by the present or any former Pro vincial Law Officer. Return of sums paid to any pTofessirn account of Government Private Bills. 1864. July 18 —P. X). Fenton, Parliamentary Agent, in the matter of the Auckland and Drury Railway— £ s. d. Paid House fees - - 103 10 0 Parliamentary Agent's fees - -- --42 00 1 Bill unopposed. July 18— F. D. Fenton, Parliamentary Agent, in the patter of the Auckland Harbour Amendment Act, 1863— £ s. d. Paid House fees - - 49 o 0 Parliamentary Agent's fees ----- 18 0 0 67 0 Bill unopposed. R. B. Lusk, Provincial Accountant. Nov. 11th, 1864. MESSAGE NO 80—SUPREME COI7BT. Mr. King begged to move that the Message, Nc 80, of his Honor the Superintendent, might be take: into consideration immediately after the notices c motion. Mr. CakXjETOX hoped the lion, member woul allow the Government business to take precedencc He would not, if permitted to go on with the Govern ment business, occupy the House more than half ai hour. At least the business would not necessaril; occupy a longer space of time. THE " XEW ZKALANDEE." Mr. Car LET oN begged to bring under the notici of the Council a statement in the New-Zenlandc, which he could only regard as an unprovoked ani undeserved attack upon a gentleman in that Counci who could not defend himself. The statement wai to the effect that the paper?, among others a messagi . of his Honor's, were inadvertently printed. Tin words were to the effect that the Council, not having allowed the papers to be printed. it was "printcc already wo presume by inadvertence" in tin columns of the newspapers. Now, the fact was tha the. Council simply objected to its being printed twice The "by inadvertence" was easily to be understood It was quite certain that paragraph was not by inad vertenee. He knew from what quiver this arrow wa! taken. He regarded it as an attack upon the Clerl of that house, who could not defend himself. It wa: well known that- the papers, when once laid on tlu table, were public property. Mr. Wynn could not. see that there was am altack meant. It- might only be regarded as a men verbal mistake. He could not seo that there wai sdv attack made against the Clerk. Mr. Carle-ton- thought it was an attack. Hi begged also to complain of the reports in the Kciv Zemlander. He was made to say the very opposite o what ho had said. On one occasion it was reportet that Mr. Newman had made an attack upon him Mr. Newman was about the last man who, heshoulf suppose would be likely to attack him. Ho wa: asked even in the town, " What is Newman at now Y He complained that he was constantly misreported ii that paper, while what he really had said on occasion: to which he referred, were given correctly in tin other two papers. imSOTEfS OP THE HOUSE. Mr. Oarleton again asked the Speaker whethei the Government business might not be first disposec of. He would stay to hear Mr. King's motion til any hour in the night if lie would consent to allow the buciness to be got through. He believed that ii the Council would allow him to proceed with the business, it could be very quickly disposed of. To prevent the Government business of the country was

to obstruct all proceeding in ilio carrying out the measures for the country generally. XTo believed there would ho no objection to 1 lie Native Land Purchase Empowerir,<? liill. He believed that Appropriation Bill 2'would also pass and tl,at P loro . would bo no objection. Tlio samo might be said ot the Empowering Act (1804) Amendment Bill, anil the Appropriation 35111 (lSti-^.) Mr. Wynn said be would object to the coulee proposed. The members ot the Government, the moment that an independent member ro?o to nmlcc » motion, would vacate tJieir seals and leave the House. He therefore hoped that Mr. Kind's motion would be taken. The Government business was nol more important than the business of the whole country. Tlio honorable gentleman did not seem disposed to give Council the least attention. ' ' u ' Council had hern insulted often 'enough. Mr. C.viu.inON ; "li I am. taxed with inattention, 1 must remind the Council that I can never answer a man who has called me in this Council a " whelp and a liemnd." [ repeat, that 1 will never answer :x man I who has called me bv such epithets. Mr. Wynn : I shall repeat what I said it necessary. Mr. Cmki'SV.man thought the Council ought not altogether forgot its dignity. 11c thought that these discussions were very undesirable and srrcntly to be regretted. Ile did not see that a, member of the Government should be looked upon as fastened to his seat. Tlioy surely might leave the House when they pleased as well as any other member. (A voice —"K 0,110.") Mr, Wynn explained : He denied that he had ever called the hon. gentleman a whelp and a hound, lie had rather accepted an illustration which the hon. member himself had supplied when he charged that side of tlio House with " running with the hare and holding with the hounds." Ho simply used the term that was supplied. Ile declared that, he hadne\ei used the terms in the direct and oflensivo mannei charged. Mr. Caht.v.tox : The words used wi re " von are ti whelp and a hound." The subject dropped. Tlio motion of Mr. Kino w:.s put, and the Hous< divided, when there appeared t Ave?, 12; Noes, 7Mr. Cahj.eton begged to call the attention of tin hon. member Mr. HaVrop to an erroneous statcmen made by him hi respect .to the replacing of Mithga mangnroa Bridge. (The lion, gentleman could he heard very indistinctly.) The subject had reh veiiei to a statement made by the hon. member for I'aincl! to the effect that the Superintendent had been askei to replace the bridge by a genth man who wouh supply half llie cost of doing so ; that his Honor tin Superintendent refused to do so, except under tin advice of an engineer. The accuracy of the statcmen was impugned by the Provincial Secretary ; and a was understood in the gallery by the Superintendent Mr. Il.AL'lfoi' regretted that he could not vetrac mollify, or modify what he had on a previous occa sion stated. Ho did not Know that he ivus to In attainted of treason tor What he had uttered in tlt.-i Council. The proceedings of Council w;v snpposcc to be unknown outside, and it was a woll-knowi Parliamentary practice that, what might appear in i newspaper, should be made a charge against : member of the House. He would not change o retract one word of what he bad said. Mr. BITKLAM) : 1 think I am hound in justice b the hon. gentleman, the member for raile d Hnrrop), first, that the Superintendent did hear o the slate of bridge, that money was offered to l'j: the bridge, and (hat he refused without having takei the opinion of some engineer. Mr. KeisK said he had beard the same. He fel bound in justice to corroborate the statement th stat< ment of the hon. gentleman the mender fo Parnell. Mr. King : Will the hon. member lay the paper on the table of the House H Mr. Caht.kto.v : No. There are seme of them m own private memoranda. The SI'KAKEu said that the procedure was to inov for an address to tlio Superintendent to lay the pape before the Council Mr. King : Well, (lien, T will first ask the lion gentleman whether he will lay the papers on th table ? Mr. CaM/eton laid a paper oil the table of th House. Several members went to the fable, and havin read the paper severallv, laid it down again with gesture expressive of emphatic disapproval. Mr. Kim; said that to fay such a paper on the tabh there was no date to it. Scverul hon. members having expressed tlici opinion of the correctness of the stnkment made Mr. Hariop, Mr. King moved " That an address be forwardci to his Honor the Superintendent asking him to sem down to the Council a copy of the observations mad bv him with reference to the statement of M r. Harrop The motion was earned. Mr. Keicu was sorry to hear Mr. Newman say tha the sum of £250 might be more usefully expended He (the speaker) thought that as this was the firs sum asked for that district by this Council the Go vernment ought not to refuse it. Carried. notices or motion 1-oit Tin: day. Mi*. Kmu to move, " 'That an address be presentee to his Honor the Superintendent, requesting him t< placer on the additional estimates the sum of tw< hundred and fifty pounds for repairs to the roa< from the Harp of Erin to the (Juarrv at Moun Wellington." Mr. Kkku moved that the address standing in hi name be brought under the consideration of th Council. Mr. Boss opposed this motion. He thought ther were a great many other districts that required an; money at the disposal of the Government withou disposing of it in this way. Sir. Siikehan was in favour of this vote. Sir. Caui.f.ton said it was almost impossible t keep pace with the Council, each member wantin; BOmething to be done for his own constituents. Mr. Foley would support this motion. The boil member, Sir. Boss, had said that 400 had alread; been expended 011 this district, but perhaps be forget that this road is the same as any of the most publi and general thoroughfares in the Province. H would always support items for the roads and publi works if required. Mr. G-Ai,!,Ai:oin:T! : It would be in the memory 0 this Council, that some of the members who line just spoken in favor of this motion, were 011 forme occasions opposed to it, he would diller with Mi Foley, that the inhabitants had made or defrayed th expenses of this road themselves. ife would oppos this motion. Mr. BrCK7..\NJ> would strongly support th i motion. Mr. Wynn would move by way of amendment that the words "by owners and occupiers ofpropertie meeting the Govermentin an equivalent amount" hi inserted Mr. Boss —thought if the amendment was earriec it would be very unfair to the residents of tin District. Mr. G-AULtiAOiiEU —would support tlio amend ment. Amendment earned. Mr. Foley. would move, that his Honor the Su perintendent be requested to place 011 the estimates the sum of £'300 to meet an equal sum to be contri buted by owners and occupiers of property in tin village of Otahuhu, to improve roads and thorough fares. Carried. Mr. A. O'Nr.ll.l. to move, That a committee 1m appointed to examine and take evidence of the work, ing of the Waste Land Department, in order to as certain how far the recommendations of the formei sessions have been applied or have operated, ami tr suggest such measures as may appear necftMiiry f.n the economical and ctlieient working of that department; committee to consist of Air. Chccseman, ]\li', Cadman, Mr. .Foley, Mr. Xcwuun, Mr. Skeen, and the mover. Mr. Cubesemax would move that the motion. No. 3, standing in the name of Mr. A. O'Neill br adopted. Mr. Folkv would move that the name of Mr. 1 !BlaU<?be added to the eommittec. The Speaker received some messages from hit | Honor the Supcrindent. Message No. 80, ordered to be printed. Mr. Kino, in reply to message SO, said he thought the Superintendent had shown very little disposition to conform to tlio designs of the Council. He thought the Government could easily raise the amouut required. Ho could remember several items that might be reduced to the present outlays. (Name, from Mr. Carleton.) Yes, he would name the police court, for 0110 instance, Wo cannot afford to pay £l!i,000 for those establishments alone. Then, again, the harbour lights he thought might be defrayed in part by those most benefitted by them by the way ol ? a small tax. He would also point to the ±'S,OO(J for contributions, and it might be considerably reduced. Then, again, the voto for pilots and their houses. Wert

wo going to find houses nnd board and lodfring for all tho servants and dorks in Government employ't -Kjcn there wis also the sum ofJiOOO for parish plans, wlneh mi ,r ht ho consuleriiblv reduced, and HlveSwse the Tjiind and Kmii'rat ion Fund and hi:(tlies]ieiilier) would sny that notwithsUimlihg the ch-siro (-xpiv.ssed l>.y the Superinleiulc.il (in liis iiu-wupe), <° Uu?s .° slU ' s ' ho thought it onlv leqnired a little real exertion on the part of the Government to secure them. _ 3 here was no ivason "whatever whv this desirable site should bb lost, to tho province. He thought that tho hauls of departments should have boon consulted. In respect to the believed that the postmaster had not been consulted, and that- such persons who could give all the requisite information respecting the sites of public* buildings were passed over. Jhe accommodation that was being found for (lie Supreme Court was, in his opinion, ample, there was no necessity to proceed further in building a permanent edifice. llis 1 Fonor the Chief .Justice would Imvo fill the aeeonimodation he woiiict require, und that being so, the provision being made for carrying on the business of the Couit being sufficient, ho did not see any necessity lor so great haste. There Was a design before tho Council, and there lying on the table of tho House, which to him t'o answer nil the purpose. The cost ot u building carried out under these designs would be only £9000. .As a matter of cost, lie thought the Council would do well to pause before they placed themselves in the hands of irresponsible commissioners. H. was ptobahh: that in a short time, a year or two, they would get a Supreme Court very much chcnper than they could get it at present-. AVhen the present high rate ol the market was considered, it was just possible they might get a building in two or three years time for £lo ( 0t)i), where they should now have to pay £*20,000. Here would be a saving to the province ot .{.'10,000, which may of itself he 11 consideration that should be taken into account, wh'm they recollected that designs then lying on the table could provide all the accommodation that was wanted, and that the halt designed by Colonel Mould was nearly as large —there was only five or six ie« t dillerence : when thev considered also the cost (hat, would he at present, and the probable cost ot wluit they might have at a future ptriod, it appeared to him that then was no necessity to dispose of this site, upon which the whole public opinion out of doors had made up its mind that it ought not to be sold. Till-. Caim.ktoN said he hail not been able to understand the financial operation suggested by the lion, member (Mr. King.) The whole question appeared to him to be in tin* feasibility of obtaining the money 11 e would invite the Council to consider what tin conseqm mcs would be of appropriating the lnonn of the I'nninee for works in which it could be said that only the town could have any interest, lie felt some smprise when he saw so many country member:in their places, lhal they .should have made no cab uj on the Government io prevent tin appropriat ior for this purpose. It was undoubtedly t!ue that tin money of the Province should lie distributed equitabh in the improvi incut of the whole country, and nol absorbed by any particular locality. .1 hia wastmphatiealiy a question in which it set ined to him that the interests of town and country were opposed (Cries of " no, no. no.") Ile did not presume t <> saA how the wish of the Council should be carried niti effect. II" thought it might be done in some suel manner as would he indicated by the rcMnutioi which he would move, namely. " r l hat an addicss hi presented to the h upcrintendent requesting him tr semi down a Hill, appropriating 000, to be ad vaticed out'of the loan, as purchasing the site of tin Supreme Court House. such site to be sold in ordei to refund the £^s,t<>o, advanced by the Council a some given future time should lu* nol l e able to line other convenient nnans of payment." Mr. wished to say a few avoids on thi speech of the lion, member opposite, lie was sur prised to sec the hon. member wishing to throw : brand between tin* country and the city mcmbeis. 1 was not a qia-stion of town and country; it wa simply a provincial matter, and as such it had alway been considered in this Council. U was a matter 0 indifleience where the post-otlicc was; it conccrnei the country as much as the town, but it concernci the province too to have such a building in a centra site. He thought J lie amendm* nt could go for ver litt'e, and though he applied the words dices parings ami cai die ends to the motion ot the membc for the city AYesl \et bethought it was a better on than that of the hon. member, lie thought a simpl mode could be adopted to raise the money, lie woul propose to take from the estimates lor the presen vear the sum of £10,tH'0 and £5000 from each ot th sucet "ding t nice vcars, and when tho matter did g io arbitration, he thought that £1'2,C00, instead 1 £*25,00U would buy if. it would bo agn at misfalv not to get thN piece of ground. Tito public buildinu ought to 1 c scattered throughout the city, where the would be most useful. He wruhl remit d the hoi •▼cntlciuan tliat his spteeh contaimd only a fe 1 commonplaces, hut ho did not prove that this woul benefit the city alone. Mr. Sun han >aid it was manifest to the Hous that then; weie im inbeis picsent who had propert j.; r (lie pioposed sites of tho public buildings on th wharf, and tin y were willing to give way to puhli opinion. The Superintendent, had he done his dut\ would have given the Council a helpin hand to carry out the views of th House. The funds could be laised. If were in aceoidance with the public opinion, th persons who have property near the wharf woul like to have the post ( llice there. They had had th opinion of Mr. Young, and he said that it was hi opinion as well as that of the I'ostmaster-Gcncra that the two could not- be worked under one roo therefoie it behoved them to s euro the old C<mu house, and to diminish the revenue in other place? and in the con; eof thi 1 e years they would he abl to meet the General Government. As a resident 1 the town, and a country member, it was his plac to defend tho one and tho other. This old Com house would be the eontial point. In the coins of five years how would people be able to come to th post office were it on the wharf in a gig or dog-cat l.ook at the carters, they have not a cart stand although they had paid a license. Surely they iiiii? show tin? men when they were charged with a ta> that the Council were entitled to t'o so. Tho mos convenient spot to put the post-oilice i • the site c the old Couit-hotise, and this was the opinion of th public at large. At that placc there could he ion fronts, ami every accommodation could be given. 1 was not io be equalled anywhere in the town. H must tupport the resolution, at the same time h would suggest that the Council should secure hon gentlemen lo support it in the arbitration. Mr. Caoman : The reason why tie-old Court-hous was not built upon in lStil was that at tha time the lalue of the land was only X"7,i'oi and the amount of the tender for Ihe buihiim was £SUOO,and consequently the idea was abandoned and it was absurd to say that Sir Cieorge Arney raisei a cry from his sick bed about the Court house. Thi ]Vovinee was not in a position to pay ,t25,0U0 fo building a Court bowse, and therefore to put tin screw on tins Council to the extent of £20,000 i monstrous. Mr. CrAi.i.Ar<;UKR was very sorry to hear such at expression used as city against country. They wen able lo put i.'l'K) on an engineer's s.daiy ; JL'J- a-wcel on another; ,Cl 5 a-year on another man's; am others he < ould i.nnie, which would soon amount t( £15,000 The Council was in a position t-> maintaii its own place. The hon. member lias put the* Go vernment against this Council, and not the eit> against the country. Jt was the duty of the Govern ment to support the IVovincc. jhe site pleased bin | well. Jit; was sorry to sec the Provincial Govern ! ment throwing the fire-brand among the Council, j Mr. Moss mid it was the country that was t< suffer, iio was sorry to s-jo the honourable gentlemail come forward with a proposition to spurn £2."j,0(K1, when he had spent nights and nights tt prove that there was no revenue. Where was tin £10,000 to couie from : From the country. Then was a place which he could point out wnich wouh suit far better. Jie alluded to the corimr of Wake field-street. Thai would only cost half the amount and it would be more convenient for both town am country, being more central, lie would be ven sorry to see any amount of money taken from tha" set aside for the purchase of native lauds to be invested in what be could only call a luxury, iio woeh oppose an application of money that was put dow-i tor any otle r purpose. Mr. Koj.ky : This aJJaii* has been prelty wel discussed before. This money would not be takei from the country. He did not: think the Genera Government would ask for the whole amount of tlu purchase money at once. He questioned whet-he: the pricu would be £'25,000 ; but if it cost that couh not a deposit be paid and let the remainder ho pan by instalments out of the increased revenue of tin succeeding years. Mr. Swa.vsoX : had an objection against Mr King. He had spoke about cheese parings am candle ends. If any one was able lo propose a, bettei plan he was willing to vote for it. JEvorj* one to vhnir

he had spoken had been quite willing to givo money (mt or the loan to get this site. If t here vuS anything llxod in the public: mind more than another, it was this site for the Court-house. If it ivus sold as at present it was laid out, it would become a sink oi iillh, sin, and iniquity. It was not rinlit that this place should be laid out as it was laid out on the plan, ai id if it were, only for tin's consideration the oitv had a ri»hl io fry out., lie contended that, they had no need for tliis place for iv Vost-ollice alone; 1 thev might erect other public buildings. lie had never spoken to any member of the City Board who desired to have the place sold in allotments. He would guarantee that the Hoard would give £2000 oUt of its own money to secure this site for a public purpose. lie trusted that the Coiineil would t-ome lo a resolution to take the General Government at .their word. | Mr. Hah no i' moved the adjournment of the debate. Mr. AVvnx moved an adjournment until seven o'clock, which was carried. The Council re-assembled at 7 o'clock, when the debate was resumed. Mr. llAHitoi' said that the Council were then engaged, after a great, deal of time occupied ill arguing tins question, in making one last, perhaps a vain attempt, to get (his allotment for the I'rovince. The hon. member (Mr. Carleton) said he was not exactly Cor the country or the town—that lie was not a country mouse neither was lie a town mouse. AN ell, if he was neither a town mouse nor a country mouse, what kind of a mouse was he? (Laughter.) A Voti'K : A do(o>inouse. (ileal-, ami laughter.) Mr. H Annul*: It was right that they should make this last effort, even if it should prove fruitless, ami record the protest of the Council against the sale of this land. i\l r. AVvnn said thatthe sale ought tobe suspended, sav for a few months at all events. They were building accommodation for the Chief .lustice anil 'the Supreme Court, '.there was no necessity to hurry on this sale. To the resolutions proposed bv Mr. King, an amendment hud been moved ot which the very pith was the sale of the laud. He would recommend that the council should go "n Kitting until something deteiminato were done. lie would move a series of roolntions which, if thev were adopted, would pledge the Council to obtain the means of legalizing the means of obtaining this land tor the Province. It this land t'el! into the bands of a speculator lie might cut it up into little lanes and streets, which would iu time become a den of iniquity. The amendment of Mr. Carleton was put ami lost. Mr. 'NVynn moved clause 1 ot the original resolution, and that words be added pledging the Council to furnish funds. Mr. Kini; moved the following resolutions : — "Ist, That in consequence "of the approaching meeting of tin? (ieneial A- setnbly the C--uni-il will be .necessitated to adjourn the consideration of devising measures for providing the necessary tunds to erect a new Siiprc me Court-house. I'ml, 'Ilia! this Council h:is made provision this res-ion to the extent of 0 for the erecti<-n of a building to provide temporary Supreme- Court accommodation.'' " :ird, '1 hat this Council views with sat isfact-.on the prompt, measuri s taki n by 11 is Honor the Super intendent to commence the building foithwiih. " Ith, That considering ample tcmpoiary accommodation will be provided in the course of a few ' weeks to hold the sittings of the Supreme Court in i his Council is of opinion that no injury to the publk -ei vice will aiise in delaying the commencement o! the proposed new .Supreme Court House for a few months. " ;»lh, That, this Council r< spiet fully recommend: that the sale of the site of the old Snpieme C( url 11 ouse .should b>- postponed in order lo enable tin Provincial Government to complete the purchiise o the same on equitable teims. "(>th,'lhat this l oui.cil is of opinion that tin present hinli market value of land should n< t hi considered hv the Cineial Government, as a basis ti lix the sum, am! c\..el the highest value, as con si delation should be given to the I'ioviiicial Govern incut being pla< cd ill the position of having to pur chase a publ-c leserve, and one of the most valuabl sites in the city, for public buildings. " 7th, 'J hat this Council considers the proposals o the hon. AV. Kox to settle the value of the site 01 equitable terms by arbitration as lair and reasonable and would recommend that steps 1 e taken forthwitl to ascertain tiie value of the site as proposed, in onle that, the Council may have the necessary informatioi at an early sitting of the Council atter the ad journ incut." Mr. Wv.vx moved that the first clause of Mi King's resolutions should be expunged, and.t\\e lbl lowing elans*.' inserted : —" This Council pledges itsei after the cn.-uing adjournment to pass measure enabling the Provincial Government lo furnish th llecessai'v sums, not exceeding the sum ol .12a,G00 lo the purpose <>f securing lor the Province the site c the <dcl supreme court house. " That in the opinion of this Council the nccessar funds couid be casi.y furnished by a careful revisio: of the estimates of" expenditure of the revenue > p-jHo.and by amending the several Kmpowering Act authorizing" the exj enditlire of moneys to he raise by virtue of the I oan Act of I^(i3. "That should his Excellency's responsible advisei be not satisfied with this pledge, the Council wi proceed during this session to enact measures t legalize the necessary expenditure." The resolutions were then put. and carried. Tn 1-: WATKICWOItKS Al-l-1101-l-.IATION 1t11.T.. The amendments adopted in committee were mad part of the hill, which was read a third time am passed. i-:.Mi'o\vi-:ni.\(i mi.i,.— (xativk I.ASU I'UKC-JI.XSK.) Mr. iN v:w m an moved the :-ecoud reading ot this bil Mr. .1. said before the second reading c this hill he was anxious to hear from the Governinen s imetlr'ng of the details of the measure. lie though that the pick of this land must be given to the emi grant, who came here from Nova Scotia or Gren IJritnin. Til." time was come when the Governinen could not. ali'oid to buy land and then give it away and at the same time incur the expense of makin roads to such lands. Mr. Wvs.v would not oppose the second reading hut when going into committee he would proposi some reduction in the amount, lie should like t know where the n.oney was to be spent and bow i was to be spent. Mr. Kino called the attention of the Council to very male) i,il point. H would be iu the recollection o the t ouucil that four ycurs ago he had called joint urn of the lands bought, and on being fimiishei with the return he found that 10 lo -15 per cent, wa expended on salaries. lie trusted ihat such wouh no! be case aiiniii. lie hoped when the war wa over the Government would not have to buy s, much land as heretofore, for the Kuropeaii I would be able.to purchase land Irom the natives, alii would prefer giving ,C 2 an acre fur go d land, it pri.-ierenec to buying from tin; Government any sor ol i.-ind at the usual price. He diit not think '.h -th Gove'.nnulit, would require so much money as wa anticipated. lb; would support the bill on the under f tait-:ing that ongoing into Committee the umoun be j educed. Mr. Caui.etox said the member for the Northeri division had supported the views he b.-.d always enter taile d, lie said lie had to obey orders, but bo wotili tell the Council that what he had once upheld h would always urge by every means in his power. Th laud iund ouirhi to "be. kept distinct, and he wouli keep the revenue which arose from tl o sale of sue] lands ior ihu purpose of buying more, and laying ou the lest in public convenience. He would only bu; good land, and then the natives would leave th infeiior bh cks, and wo should be able to get it oi our own terms. The present Superintendent hai proposed tho Mime thing in the General Assembly and, although the bill was passed, no further notic was taken of it. ard the pitrchasiiur went on in th s:-.i; e manner as before. He was sorry the sum wa :o ! e uiii.n i lied in Committee. .\r. Gut. iiOtiHH would oppose the secotn re-Ming. Mr. li 1.1.'1 i considered that it the Government', wer to buy land their bunds should not be tied for wan of funds, tbr if tlicy were lo puteha-e at all the; should hive m mey enough tn i oniplete the purchase lie would .-uppnit the motion on condition that th larger sum would be voted in committee. Mr. Bail corroborated the remav;s of the laspeaker. Mr. IN i:\v.man' had never heard so many erroneou statements made as had been made during this dis cussion. He had not inveigled immigrants out her under false pretences, it was now five years since h had issued land orders ; and since he came out her he had never met one who had looked iven coldl; lit.iou him for his conduct. J.le thought that th statements ma le by bis friends iu this House were : sutlieielit. i oufutat'ons of any such statement. Mr. Sui:i:hax rose to order. He could prov everything he hud said, lie Could biitlg proofs I'llC to face with the hou. member. The question tcixig put was earned.

TVAITVT? X»AND yUKCIfA.SE "BIXX. Tlie House "\vent into committee. Nr. O'Neill taking the chair. In clause 1, Mr. I'OLEr moved as an amendment that the words £30,000 be altered to £15,000. Owing to the late hour at which the Council adioumcd, tlie remainder of our report has been crowded out. ' . , The Council adjourned at ten minutes past one o'clock. .