PROVINCIAL COUNCIL.

New Zealand Herald, Volume I, Issue 310, 9 November 1864, Page 5

PROVINCIAL COUNCIL.

Xjik SI'KAKEK took tlie chair at 3 o'clock. There won; -5 members present. 'i lie Cleric to tlie Council read the minutes of the last sitting, which weic continued. Mr. Su'ANsox asked permission to lay oil tilt table a protest i'roni the Oitv Board, relative to tlit proposed Mr. (Jaulkton" brought- up the report of the Wasti Lands Act Committee, which was ordered to bi printed. Dr. lYii.t.ivN brought up the report of the Com inittce on .Recent Appointments, and moved that i be read. * KAU'AICAWA OOAr- .MIXES. ! M r. CoolahaN asked the .Provincial Seeretan I " Whelher it, is the intention of the Governm-nt. t( I furnish this Council with the information requested ii lite Address .No. .'iJ, respecting ihe Kawakawa Coa Mines." The l'liovixci.w. Sixketahy said flint all UlO information which was in the possession of the Go vernmen had been given 011 the subject. [gjtMr. Cooi.uia:.' asked t!ie l'rovnu-id Secretary, "jf it is the intention of 11 is Honor tiio fiuperin " tondent to appoint an Assistant 'lreasurer; aiu > if the late Treasurer (Mr. .Newman) is aware o 1 such an ollice being- in contemplation ; ant if uiiv correspondence lias taken place on the sub , jeet between the Government and himself." ; The I'KoviNCiAi. Skcuetahy said ho regretted ti ; see a motion in such bad ta?te placed 011 the paper , In the first place it was in bad l.nglish- [Mr. Coola ban (excited), " L am not a grammarian.''] Jf would answer the question literally. If be wouk look at the estimates, he would find that there was ; . salary asked for the oiliee of Assistant Secretary There was 110 change but one of denomination. Xh : Accountant was, in fact, to be the Assistau Treasurer. As for the second part of the qnes t lion — Mr. Coolaiiax again begged, amid the laughter o the Council, to say that he was 110 grammarian ; tha he came there t,o consult, for the interest of the pro vinee. He repeated he was 110 grammarian. Hi was there on behalf of the province generally. Mr. Caulkton said that- it was very plain what tin ' lion, gentleman meant. He would say at once tlia , 110 correspondence had taken place between the Go vernment and himself upon the subject. As to tin ' late .Provincial Treasurer being aware of such ai ollice being in contemplation, of course he was awan of it. Mr. Tiut'Ki.AXi) asked leave to bring in a bill t< l amend the Superintendent's salary- m submitting that in--;.sure for the consideration of hon. members he thought that when the nature of the fcjupei'int-en ; dent's oiiice was considered, t he great responsibility and honour which attached to it, it would be act [■ milted that.L'SOU a year was insufficient. J he Su > perinteiulent'; .salary wss differently circumstance! irom otlier oilicial salaries, if- was iixed at the iirs t session of the Council, and hail remained so eve since. It- was at lirsL a very liberal salary, but ever kind 01 employment hud ii creased in value of froi] i>U to lUO per cent, 110 thought it only justice t-hn

his salary should be increased in something like pro- 0 portion. 'J'lio Superintendent was iu a position that 1 great demands were m;uie on hid puree, and fre- j quently liia salary was absorbed by elemosynnry con c tributions from his private purse. He did not think c thi) subject would provoke muck discussion, as the 1 principle of it was generally allowed. j Mr. ICeku opposed the motion. He objected to c any increase so Jong as there were candidates who | ] could afford to spend £800 to 6ecure that honour. | lie objected to it on that ground. 11 would be re- 1 collected that when tlioy cried out for local self- 1 government the complaint wu9 that there was a ' great number ot otlicials who did very little work, t A new order ot things came in. ' A Superintendent, 1 1' rovincial Council, and new ollicers, were added instead of being cut off. It had come to this, that there was very little left for tliu public works. Pro- 1 vincial Governments had almost worn themselves 1 out. ('• No, no.") At all events the time wa.< i coming when the country would have to sue for a divorce 1 rom the town, lie would support a Government for the town where there might be a Mayor, * but he was opposed to any iucrease iu the salary of llie Superintendent,. Mr. \\ l'Ns thought the order of proceeding was that the bill ought to be allowed to be brought in, and that the discussion upon its principle should 1-e taken 011 the second reading. Carried. The bill was road a first time. I Sir. Buckland moved that the bill be printed, and that the second reading be taken 011 Thursday. TIIK LATH LAW ADVISKU. ill*. moved, " lhat an address be presented to his Honor the Superintendent, requesting a return of all sums paid 10, or charged by, the late Provincial Law Otliccr, 011 account of Government private bills, distinguishing bills opposed, if any, from bills unopposed, together with eopv of the account rendered, of all sums, if any, paid to the present Law Ollieer for such or similar service, and of nil sums paid since the accession of his Honor to oilitv, to any other professional person for such or similar services ; distinguishing throughout charges muilc lor Parliamentary agency in carrying bills through the Houses of the General Assembly, charges for other work done, and General Assembly tees.'' f lho lion, member said it would be in the recollection of the Council lhat a sum of £103 odd hail been paid for law expenses in cxccss of what had been voied. His object was to obtain some information or explanation as to how that sum had been expended without a vote. Mr. \Y vNN* said that Mr. Ulieeseman had thought proper to plagiarise the language of the lion, member Mr. Carletou. Mr. Ciii:i:sema>- : Xo, no. Mr. Wy.nx said it was inconvenient. "Why did not the him. gentleman Mr. Carletou la}" the papers 011 the table at once. There seemed to be some sinister motive in it, and the gentleman was 110 doubt prepared to take some definite steps in respect of this matter, lie would reserve his own course with regard to it. Mr. Cahlktox said that his object in plaeing this motion 011 the paper was to increase the salary of the Provincial law ollieer, and allow no extras whatever, as he objected to the principle of payment for extras. Mr. W ynn said that when lie hud been informed ot the object ol Mr. Carleton\s motion, he was perfectly satisfied, lie thought it was not proper that the language of one member shou-d be adopted bv another in the manner that, had been done ill this case. Mr. Cll EI>KMAN said that he had asked Mr. Carleton whether he Itad any objection tln.t he (Mr. Cheeseman) should move the motion. The object and the only object, was to be informed on the particular matter indicated, and not for any sinister motive, as had been suggested by the honourable gentleman opposite. Mr. W'yim had said that he was sorry certain words lmd lallen from his lips with reference to .Mr. Carluton, ami intimated his desire to be on t'rien ily terms with that gentleman, asking him (Mr. Cheeseiuan) whether he could ilo anything in the matter, lor which he would be obliged fl'or lie (Mr. W'ynn) .said that lie was anxious that there should be no shyness between them. The gentlemen has subsequently met. Hearing that this was to bo charged to the railway expenses, he (Mr. Cheeseiuan) felt very naturally an interest in the subject, lie (Mr. Uiiccseiuan) denied that he had harbured private resentment, or entertained any sinister motive. The motion was carried. MKSSAOE. — SITE or Till". Sfl'lll'.ME COUKT. (CI.) '1 he Superintendent informed the Provincial Council that he has duly forwarded to the General Goveriiiiunt the report of the committee appointed to report 011 Menage Xo. 11, and its enclosures, and lhat he has received, iu reply, the enclosed communication, which sufficiently defines the relative positions of the General and of the Provincial Government in the matter. The .•Superintendent desires, however, further to observe that, although 110 member of the Council can be more desirous than himself 10 obtain for the Province the piece of land in question, he feels it right to point out that the only fund now available for the purpose indicated iu the address is uli.it still remains unappropriated out of that portion of the half million loan which is to be raised for iunnigralion and tlie purchase of native land. The amount has been communicated iu Message Xo. (vide Message G;i). The Superintendent believes that the expenditure of so large a sum as twenty-five thousand pounds (,£25,0 JO) for a site for tic.: Post-office when a site so [ suitable as that of the present Custom-house is avail- ] able fur the purpose without any charge to the ProI vmcc, would be injudicious. He is of opinion that J the amount would be expended 10 much more advan- | tage in the purchase of native lands, and tile conse- . quent promotion of a continuous stream of immi- ; gration. ; [Enclosure.] 11 Colonial Secretary s QlUee, j "Auckland, 7th Xov., ISG-1. l; Sir,—l have to acknowledge the receipt of your Honor's letter Xo. 1533-13, of the sth instant, transmitting a copy of an address dated 011 the precediug 1 day, from the Provincial C'ouneil, with the report .which accompanies it, respecting the site of the old Supreme Court House. " That report recommends the site in question as the most suitable site for a Post Oliice ; and also recommend that provision should bo made to the extent of £20,000 for a Supreme Court House, anil that t the General Government be solicited to hand over the site referred to oil such a provision being made. " It. appears to me that the Province of Auckland, > even more than the General Government, is inteiestcil 1 ! in the erection of a Supreme Court which wilt be 1 j be suitable and also ail ornament to the town. "The sum of £-5,00U is the lowest estimate of a - ftnn sufficient for this purpose ; and his Honor the - I Chief Justice states iliac the building which it is proI posed to erect even with this sum will give but inade- ! quale accommodation. ■ | "The value of the land proposed to be sold has 1 | been estimated at from upwards of to upf i wards of £30.0011; but if the Provincial Government 1 ' will pav over £25,000 for a new Supreme Court the - j General Government will agree that ilie land snould 1 be transferred to the province. > ■ "The General Government have selected the site . j of the present Custom House tor that ot the nc^\ - I Post Oliice as in every other respect convenient; but j if it be the general wish lhat an alteration should I j tie made, and if another suitable and available site 1 were proposed, every consideration would ol course ■ | be shown to such an expression of opinion from tile a 1 Provincial Council or from the inhabitants of Auekt land generally. "It is necessary that the General Government should be informed i»t once whether the lrovince f will take the laud for the sum proposed, as the sale t is fixed to take place on the 10th inst. " 1 have, &c., " FtIKDK. "WIIITAKEIi, " (In absence of i>lr. Fox.)" > Mr. Wvxn thought the better plan would be to t con.-idcr what should be done at a later period, unless - j some honourable gentleman was prepaied with a ; motion. 1 Or. Pollen said the. cotirso he would suggest was j to address llis Excellency to request him to interpose to prevent, the sale of this piece of pro; erty until thi ) Council would have time to consider what should h( ' I.ollc. There was only this course, he thought, to bi ', taken; a direct appeal to His Hxcelleney. He wouli - urge that course upon the gentleman who had al ,• aloi'g taken so great an inteiest in that subject. Mr. IIaTTUay lclt obliged to the honourable gen tleinan for the suggestion. It. was a subject ot th .1 greatest importance. t The LH'E.iKEU : There is 110 motion before the house r Dr. Pollen" sai.l that there was but very fe\ V moments lelt to the Provincial Council to meet tli a demand of so large a stun of money. There was i t appealed to him no other mode which could b

dopted than by deputation to° liia Excellency, as ifr ras only under his authority that the salt - could take iluce. The hon. member moTed that a deputation f Mr. Speaker and such other members of the Counil as might please to attend, should wait oil his Exellency to request that he would order tlie sale to bplostponed, he i'elt sure that the deputation would reeive from his Excellency that attention which helad ever shown himself disposed to accord to them. " That a deputation from this Council be appointed. 0 wait upon his .Excellency the Governor, and toequext that his Excellency will direct that the sale if the allotment on which tho buildings occupied by he Supreme Court Establishment (sic) now stand, nay be p istponed.". * The motion wa3 put and carried unanimously. Mr. J. O'Neill said that seeing that the Councillad taken such pains not to let this piece of land lepart from them, and knowing that there was a eeling in the Council that a certain amount of ugglery was going on, some steps should be taken to -coord the feeling of the Council in respect to it. He moved, "That the Council desires to record its i-xtreme regret that liis Honor tho Superintendent should not have taken steps to carry out the -views of tho C'ouncii, either by appealing directly to his Excellency the Governor or otherwise, to postpone the sale of the site of tho old Supreme Court House ; and. that lie apparently concurred with the General Government in depriving tho province of such a valuable property; and that an address be presented to his Honor ewlosing the foregoing resolution." Mr. Sewmjs saiii that the term of jugelery ought not to have been used, and was a term which lie regretted to be called upou to criticise. At all events he had not been guilty of an}' sleiglit of liand. He thought ihe s.te itself was not worth so large a sum ol' moiKy as was required to bo raised. Within tho last three months £23,000 had been expended in the' purchase of Native lands, and it was desirable to be in funds io putchase such lands when they can, when they could do so with advantage. There was only £25,Ki1) remaining for the requirements of emigration. in 1 he harbor funds there was a balance of .1:30,(Jt.0, and £30,000 for the city. He would not recommend the sum indicated to be taken from these funds, if from the latter fund he had no doubttb»' would call up the city members. .Mr. Cai:li;t.)X said that to tako this sum of monej out of anv of these funds would involve the recasting of ihe distribution of the various funds out of the half million loan, and lead to endless confusion. Ho trusted that the Council would consider before they should commit themselves to an irrevocable conclusion. He would not bo disposed to put an immediate stop to emigration, and infliction of disappointment upon a "rci't many who were about to emigrate upon tlie faith of a rote already passed to secure them the .advantages ior which they came here. Mr. Ko;S thought there should be caution exercised before tiiev touched any of the money devoted to the Province g:eiicrallv. besides it was a question in which tlie country had 110 interest. Mr. I'olky supported the resolution. Sir. IvKiiii thought that the motion of Dr. Pollen answered every purpose, while that of Jltr. O Neill was most objectionable. Theresolutionwas wanting in respect to the General Govcrnmeut and the General Assemblv of which the hon. gentleman was a member. lie thought to give £25,000 lor the site of flit> Supreme Court was a bad bargain. -Mr. !Ci:-"g said if the hon. member Mr. Newman had stated the facts 011 a former occasion that he tad that day he would have prevented a great deal of useless discussion. tie regretted tlie course that tho Gei eral Government had taken. It- was not the Superintendent's or the hon. gentleman (Mr. Newman's) desire to carry out the wish of the Council. He believed that the hon. gentleman himself had proposed tho £25,000. He (Mr. King) never heard that proposition from any other source. Mr. Newmas: "No, no." Mr.- King : At all events it appeared to him thai! had the Superintendent thought proper to end fcho Council, the land could have been obtained for about £15,000. lie considered the province was placed in »reat difficulty. He could suggest three or four dillerent courses, lie (Mr. King) was not prepared to curtail tlie funds, on the contrary, he would protect them all he could. Mr. CIIE.VSK.IIAN' thought it very undesirable that thev should take £25,000 from the Estimates for a : single item. He should vote against the motion. 1 M<\ M umx said if the Provincial Council was 1 prepared to vote £25,000, they could no- doubt get the site ; it' they were not, they could not get it. X>r. Poi.lkx said this was not a question of money r but an expression of opinion. There was 130 course left for them but to appeal to the authorities. It tli-y did not give £25,000 it was quite clear they could not get the land. :Mr. H.UiH- 'r said it seemed to him extraordinary that their expressions of opinion were never listened to. _ Mr. It owe said that tlie principle contended lor By" the Council was, that the building should be erected bv the Provincial Government. He objected to the disposal of land which properly belonged to the Jiai-bour Endowments It would be lar better to purchase a site 111 Queen-street than to throw away t hat sum of money 011 a site in Short land-street tliat would nut be available for a long tiaie. Mr. Gallaugher said that military emigration, nas a good deal better than private emigration, inasmuch as it required no as.-istance irom the Government. lie should oiler 110 opposition to the motion. .Mr. Bi'CKL.yn'd feared that he ditfered from tlie--111:1 joritv, but should divide the House upon it. On a" division the motion was carried—Ayes, 15 - T Noes, 13. MESSAGES. (02). Tlie Superintendent laid before the Provincial Council, copy of a letter from the hoQ. the Colonial Secretary, and of the accompanying return, of tiie present state ot " The Auckland i.and Purchase Fund." £ s. d. Balance on 30tli June, 1563 22,513 0 0 Expended since that date .. 23,5/2 0 O 1,059 O 0' Authorised to be sent to Mr. Russell for Mr. Kemp .. 2,559 0 O Paid in excess of Funds .. 3,559 0 0 Mjch The Government hold £3,798 on account of the ten per cent guaranteed to natives in the Province of Auckland, which amount has been debted againt the loan but not expended. (03). The Superintendent informed the Provincial Council, that after providing the sum of £45,000 for Waterworks, the sum remaining unappropriated of the Auckland Loan Act, 1863, were as follows : £ s. d. Immigration and Purchase | 33 jq of Native Lands, J ' Harbour Improvements .. .. 30,000 0 O City of Auckland, 30,000 0 0 (6,3.) The Superintendent laid before the Council copy of report by tho Provincial Engineer-in-Chief, submitting a plan of harbour improvements for the port of Auckland, together with plan. (Ot! ) The Superintendent submitted for consideration by the Provincial Council " a bill to authorisetho Superintendent of the province of Auckland to* expend 011 harbour improvements certain money tobe raised in virtue of the Auckland Loan Act, ((j7.) The Superintendent submitted foi* tho consideration of the Provincial Council " a bill to regulate tho authentication of coupons for interest payable under the Auckland Loan Act, 1563." (US.) Letter and correspondence relative to the obtaining and tho ordering of stone-breaking machinery. . (u«.) The Superintendent returned to the Provincial Council the " bill to authorise the Superintendent of the province of Auckland to pay off certain debentures," and proposed for the consideration of thft Council the addition of the following, viz.:—3. The short title of this act shall be the Auckland Debenture Extinction Act, lS6i. VOTE OF £2000 FOR AUCKLAND. Mr. Geouge then moved, " That an address be presented to his Honor the Superintendent, requesting hun to phfee 011 the Estimates the additional sum of .-22000 for the City of Auckland." Mr. Cakletox said that his Honor would be quite willing to accede to this request if tho lueaits were at s llr.' Hoss would propose, as an amendment, the - postponement of the motion until atter the con- • sidei atiou of the Estimates. , , I Mr. J. O'Neill said that the citizens of Auckland ought to be ashamed to ask ior ±2000. had. - a light, to £12,000 ; the sum named was quite mado r spend it. *»«£»*• I : framed o£ly to enable the Government to get over

"She time until the end of Fobruaiy. The estimate "would, after all, be dated from the Ist of January. On a division, tho motion -was carried ; Ayes, 17 .UToes, 6. Mr. Wyj>t«- moved that tho orders of the day slioul T)e postponed, in order that tho notices of motio might be proceeded -with. ORDEKB or THE DAT. Mr. CaKlbtox moved that tho orders of the da should be postponed until this day, when tlioy shoul .take precedence of all other business. This was agreed to. The House then adjourned for half an hour. Tho Council resumed its sitting at twenty minute past seven o'clock p.m. COL. MOULD'S DESIGNS I'OIS SUntKME CO CUT. Mr. Cadma.n" moved, " That a respectful aildros be presented to his Honor the Superintendent, rc questing liim to procure from tho General Govern ment, and send down to this Council tho drawing and plans of tho Supremo Court-house, dosigned b Colonel Mould; also, the amounts of the Variou tenders for building tho same." The lioh. membc said that the plans alluded to had all the meri .claimed for those which hud been before (he publi for some time, with one very important differencethut the estimate amounted to only £10,000. "Who these plans were first proposed, the estimato accorc: ing to specification was £8000, and they were rejecte at that time for tho reason that the land was onl valued at £7000, and thero was no order for a Si preme Court, nor any funds for that purpose, as : ■was not called for. The tender was even sent i -CSOOO, by a gentleman named Matthews. The que: tion was a very important one—whether £15,000 c tho public money might, be saved to tho province. ] was also worthy of notice that the hall of the Si preme Court, under these designs of Col. Moult was only five feet less than that under the desigi furnished at the instance of the irresponsible commi: sioners. If thero was any difficulty about tho Gc vernmonfc complying with the request, he (M Cadman) would be prepared to lay tracings upon tli table to-morrow. Dr- Poixen seconded the motion. Mr. drew the attention of the Council t the fact that neither of the lion, members represeui ing the Executive were in their place. Mr. Eixg said lie would suggest the addition < the words " before the adjournment if possible." Mr. Mahtix said that he had seen the plan: and they were altogether too small, fcjuch a plat as the hon. member Mr. O'Neill would liko to tin judge, jury, and prisoners into a 40-foot room. said the hon. member had draw upon his imagination. Mr. said there were persons on that sid of the House who cared as much for tho Chief Justic Mr. Martin. He considered what that hon. men ber had stated was it mere mumble of woixls withov interpretation. 3lr. Rows said it Mas desirablo that tho design should be sent down. Jt Was said that the design of Coi< n:l Mould were absurdly small. Those of th u-mmissicmer's were said to be also absurdly smid ■de thought a building providing necessary aceommo dation might be constructed for a very much stnalle sum than £25,000. The Council were the guardian ot the public money, and they should not permit th -Provincial money to bo wasted. Mr. Gallaughkh supported the motion carried. EXTBAOKDINAItY PETITION*. Mr. Cooiahan moved, " That tho petition o Oeorge C. Budd bo referred to the Grievane Committee." (The rule was suspended to allow th hon. gentleman to move.) This w-as an extraordi nary document. The petitioner stated that he cam to New Zealand in IS3I ; that he was sold as a slav for 25 lb. of gunpowder; that he married a nativ woman, by whom he had one (fair) daughter— (laughter)—that Governor Hobson had passed a lav that 2,560 acres to the class of persons willed pioneer —(roars of laughter)—that his daughter was stil living, and he prayed compensation at tho hands o the Council. discussion ensued, which lasted tome time, amii the greatest merriment from both sides of the house until at length— Mr. Skeex said that, whatever tho value of 111 petitioner, 25 lb. of powder or not, the time of th Council waß.a little more valuable than to be wastei on a subject which, however it might amuse wa very unprofitable. Carried. Several other petitions relating to land claims wer reierred to the Private Grievance Committee. eesponsihle government. Mr. Cadsiax moved that his Honor's message, No 46, respecting Responsible Government, he takei into consideration. He believed that the time wa come when the system which had obtained should b changed that the necessity of the public servic imperatively claimed a change. His Honor th Superintendent hnd stated in messages that he coult not, without a complete expression of public opinioi at the general election, give Responsible Government j j ' n,omber wel -t at some length into the use; and advantages of party government, and coneludet by moving the following resolutions, which lie sak might he regarded as a challenge to the Superinten aent to obtain that expression of public opinioi which was necessary to constitute the necessity foj .Responsible Government. Resolved, that as the period of the dunitior ot the present Piovincial Council now approaclie: ° a c .e> i 3 desirable that the now electioi ol {superintendent and of members of Council shoulc be completed in sufficient time to enable the Superintendent to make the necessaiy preparations for meotirg the Council in its session in the month ol October. " Resolved, That in the opinion of this Council the new elections ought to be completed not later than the month of .Tune, 1865, and that with this View the /ST" 10 }. < -' ounc °ught to be dissolved in the month ot -March, proximo. " Resolved, That a respectful address be presented to his Honor the Superintendent, transmitting the foregoing resolutions, and praying that he will concur wnh the Council in requesting his Excellency the Governor to dissolve the Provincial Council accordingly. . -^ r - I supported the resolutions. He considered that the state of unproparedness which characterised tho conduct of public business furnished a P™ 0 * that the recommendation of the resolution fchould be adopted. No fitter time could bo chosen than the present for an expression of public opinion in tho manner suggested by the Superintendent. It "was a challenge to the Superintendent from the Council. Mr. Maiitin thought that the great defect was in the manner in which the Superintendent was elected, xsut he regardedfjthe resolutions as a party move, gentlemen wero hungering for tho sweets of office! It would also be difficult to get gentlemen to fill ollico "without being paid. Mr. Galhughkb hoped those last remarks did not apply to him. He was not anxious to /ill a chair of othce, but it was quite time that .somethin<r should be done. Mr. Rowe said that the lion, member for Franklyn, spoke ot the expense of carrying out these resolutions. There did not appear to him to beany expense. A new office that of anew treasurer nt £400 a year, had been brought down that day, the Supcim endent said he held the scales ; if that was so i e!d ver y unevenly. It might be j the CY>nm ? gS n , e / he Superintendent elected bv f„° ' t It might open the doors oftlie Council Coufrif In - . But aU the members in the Council felt an interest in the province. This aeX 7 0U . ld f r , uw talent for the upper house. It would develop talent There hud been that day no Government in the Council. This was an insult that no government would have dared to put upon their constituents. The wishes of the Council had not been carried out. It was quite time an end should be put to this and to the expenditure of thousands of pounds, without tho consent of the Council He would heartily vote for the'resolutions oftlie hon. member. Mr. J. O'Neill said he did not intend to make a speech, but to notice tiie fact that it was the first time that he had observed a deliberate insult to the Council in the absence of the members of tho executive. As to the training of the youth of the province, he concurred with the hon. member Mr. Rowe, for in fact "honesty" and "common sense'' had left for England and nothing remained but to look out for fresh talent (laughter) lie would s import the resolutions. Mr. Foley said before these resolutions were voted it should be known what time the session would end, ■what Superintendent should be elected, and time given to the people to register themselves. Mr. Iveee said in his opinion, these resolutions were premature. Mr. Skeex thought that the question of responsible government had been settled on more than one occasion. If any argument were wanted it was to be found in the then aspect of the Treasury benches.

s The Superintendent appeared to bo to tlamo in Ilia he did not chooso liis executive from the monitors o ; Council when hp had tho opportunity. Tf if could b brought about that tho now elections should be niad I subsequently to tho ccnsus returns it would bo liesi II rnblc. "Mr. "VVvnn said the return took about soven month if tho last census wore to bo taken as a precedent, y Mr. Skekn :It had been objected that responsibl :l government would entail a largo expenditure, but i' tho parsimonious way some of the establishment vero curried on, be thought it would be found in th end tliey paid dear for their whistle, lie would su[i port the resolutions. s Mr. Wyxx said that lie should support the resci lutions, and he thought there was scarcely an; member of the Council who would liot do so. Th s most convenient time fot- Iheni to meet would b about September or October, hut it. so happened b an unlmppy fatality that their meetings were ahvay s postponed until the present inconvenient period y What then was the use of the executive drivinj s everything oil' until there was nobody to listen t r their propositions. Tho lion, member at tho head o t the Government had (old tliem that he was ready t c bow down and bite the dust in order to do the bid _ ding of the Council. Now it would much bet to „ become a gentleman in his position to stand up am maintain his own opinions. It; was the duty of th Superintendnnt. to concur with the Council in y petition to life Hxeelleucv the Governor, to dissolv them in order that they might meet again in Sej: I tember or October. £ Mr. Eoi.ky said if bo stood alone on the floor c the .House, he should divide upon the resolution j- before them. t Mr. Kin" said that they had many changes, am perhaps, there w,is no change more desirable tha I that in the mode of representation. More than hal their timo was taken up in complaining of the t>upei intendent. Tlic Council was almost powerless. Th Superintendent slept in on one side, the Generi Council on thu other. They could not even supervis the expenditure of their own money. The Superir telident told them virtually that he was elected b the whole body of tlio people, and therefore lie w:i not responsible to the Council. It had been argue that evening that they should have a nominee Supei intendent. For himseif, he would prefer tho piesen . state of tilings to such a system of things, lie ha ' held a scat in the Council for several years, and li had long since come to the opinion that some chang '' was absolutely required. He thought, it highly oli L jcetionable that the meeting of tho Council should b '' postponed till January or February. That was to late for road-making and many other things wliic II money had to be voted for. Mr. HAuitorr thought it would he well if Mi e King's suggestion of deferring the elections till Jul; 0 should be acceded to by the Council. L Mr. Cadman denied that the resolution was party move, as it had been called in the course o the discussion. His Honor the >• uperintciulcn had challenged them to come to a decision and i * was ill reply to that decision, that the resolution ha< f* been (ruined. The decision <•!' the Council wouli show that they were prepared to accept the clad lenge. The motion was then put with the amendmen to the second clause fur the addition ofthe word "or immediately upon the (erminatkn of th present session," and was en; Tied mm ron. The Council adjourned at a ipinrte-r past ten. ' NOTICES OF MOTlON—YTkdnksday. 1 Mr. Kkhk to move, " That an adilress be presentei - to his Honor the Superintendent, to place on th 3 supplementary estimates the sum of two hundred am u fifty pounds for the erection of a bridge over th j Mo-iganionga river." Mr. 11.u.j. to move, contingent on this Counci .• declining to allirni the item of expenditure l'econi s mended in the Appropriation Hill for for sub 1 siding steam communication to the Hay of Tslnnd f and Mongonui, "'J hut an address be presented t his Honor the Superintendent, respectfully ropiest 1 ing him to place on additional estimates the sums , released from the estimated expenditure for the eon struction of jetties in the harbours proprsed to b - visited by steam vessels, or such other public work as may be required to facilitate the operations o 1 steam service at some future period." s Mr. (vAi.T.Ara n i:r to ask the hon. meuibe at the head of the Executive, "if it is th 2 intent ion of his Honor (he Superintendent localise to b sent down to this Council this session a bill to luncm the Local Improvement Act, or any other bill "ivin: power to owners and occupiers of property in One , hunga to raise a rate for the purpo-e of making am 9 maintaining roads, streets, and bridges, and lb sanitary improvements." Mr. Caklktox to move, " That the report of th committee appointed to consider the "Waste Panel [ Act, 1556, be adopted." ( Mr. Fol.ey to move, " That an address be presentee to his Honor the Superintendent, it-questing iiim t< 5 place on the supplementary estimates the sum of |j \- [ hundred pounds towards repairing tlie road from th [ east side of tlic Tamaki to IfowieU." Mr. Foi.i.ky to move, "That an address be pre , sented to bis Honor the Superintendent, requestim . him to place on the supplementary estimates the mmi of three hundred pounds for making the road througl , the village of Otahuhu." ; Mr. "Wvxx to move, as a contingent notice o motion, "That, in the ever.t of tile Kmpowerim Act, ISfit, Amendment Jii!l, being read a tecum time, that the following amendment be made in tin schedule thereof;— For the erection of a Supremi • Couit House and Buildings, ;Cl!0,000. ' OK A fUTVItI: HAY. Mr. "Wynn to move, " For leave to bring in a bil to repeal the Kail way Commissioners Act, 18U4-, iiI1( to mnke other provision in lieu thereof." Mr. Weimtku to ask the lion, member at the heat of tho Executive of this Council, "Whether it is thr intention of tho Government to propose anv measure with the view of working the valuable coal field; recently discovered at the Hay of Islands." Mr. Wynx to move, " That a respectful address hi presented to hn Honor, requesting him to place on the estimates ot tho expenditure for the ensuinrr yem all salaries paid or intended to be paid to ollicci-s in the employment ot the Provincial Government," Sir. Wynn to move, "That all committees whe have not finally reported have leave to sit duriii"- tin. ensuing adjournment." ° Mr. Hauhoi- to move, " That a respectful address bo forwarded to his Honor the Stqierinteudcnl, requesting him to send down to (his Council reports received from Mr. Norton Putler ichitive to prisonlabour, the economical working of tin; same, and sH> report respecting a stone-breaking machine ami ■steam engine for the stockade and water supply &c Mr. Gallauuiiek to move, "That a respectful address be presented to his Honor the Superintendent, requesting him to cause to lie placed on tlie additional estimates the sum of 00, to meet an equal sum contributed by owners and occupiers of property in the town of Onehunua." Sir. S\\ anso.v to ask the hon. member at the head of the Executive in this Council, " Whether the Covcrnment intend proposing measures to earrv into effect tho prayer of the petitions presented' to his | Honor tho Superintendent- by John J.amb and seventy settlers residing in thc'Xorthcrn Division " Mr. Coot.ahan to move, "That the Council ,i„ resolve itself into a committee of the'whole for the purpose of considering the course taken by his Honor the Superintendent in relation to the development of the Kawakawa coal mines, and all questions relating thereto." CONTINGENT NOTICI.' OF MOTION. Mr. Cadma.v, to move when the Message Xo. -li; of his Honor the Superintendent is under consideration the following resolutions Thai as the period of tho duration of tlic present- Provincial Council now approaches to a close, it is desirable that the new election of tho Superintendent and of members of Council should be completed in sufiieient time to enable the Superintendent to make necessary preparations for meeting the Council in its session in the month of October. That in the opinion of the Council the new elections ought to be conplcted not later than the month of June, IH«S, and that with this view the Provincial Council ought to be dissolved m the month of March, proximo. That, a respect ful address be presented to bis Honor the Suprintendent transmitting the foregoing resolutions, and pravin<» that he will concur with this Council in requesting his Excellency the Governor to dissolve tho Provincial Council accordingly." OX A rt-TUKE DAY. Mr. Bowe to move, "That, in tho opinion of this Council, it is expedient and desirable that the volunteer and militia companies who have been en""to- c 'd mi actual service during tho present insurrection in this province should be entitled to the privileges 'ranted in the military settlers' clauses of tho \u%'and Waste Lands Act, 1858."