PARLIAMENTARY PAPERS.

Lyttelton Times, Volume XXIII, Issue 1397, 9 May 1865, Page 5

PARLIAMENTARY PAPERS.

—— J We have received a volume of papers laid ; before Parliament, on the 7th of February, ; respecting the affairs ot' New Zealand, and j extract the following important dispatches ( from the Secretary 01 State to Sir George , Grey:— J [No. 12."] Copy of a dispatch from the Right Hon. Edward Curdwell, M.P., to Governor Sir George Grey, K.O.D. , Downing street, October 23,1864. Sir,—l have received your dispatch No. 109, of 29th July, 1864, enclosing a further correspondence between yourself and j our responsible advisers. I trunt that what I have already said to you in Former dispatches lias been sufficient to enable you to tleal with questions of the nature referred to in this correspondence; and I am glad to believe that the more favourable intelligence which you hare been enabled to send homo, and, above all, the pacification which you have so happily effected in the district of Tauranga, render it unnecessary for me now to enter Further upon the subject. I mav, however, take the opportunity of observing, :hat the suggestions of your Ministers, recommendng. military operations which, in the judgment of Sir i). Cameron, would have required large reinforcements to be sent from this country, illustrate yery forcibly the necessity of the instructions which in my former dispatches I have feltit to be necessary to convey to you. Sir D. Cameron observed, in his letter to you of 2nd July, that the measures on which you might decide should not be based upon the expectation that further reinforcements would be sent from England, but rather upon the probability that a reduction of the present force would be ordered before long by :he Imperial Government. You will remember that in my dispatch of the 26th April, I called your atlention to the importance which Her Majesty's Government attach to this subject, and expressed ray lope that you would beable to give mesuchinforma;ion as would enable me to communicate to the Secretary of State for War the possibility of a great •eduction in the number of troops, and consequently n the estimates for the year 1865-6. I have now to request that you will furnish me A'ith your opinion what reductions can be made in lie military force now maintained in the colony. I entertain a confident hope and expectation that before you receive this dispatch your measures of pajiflcation will have made such progress that the reaction you are able to recommend will be very ion sider able. I have, &c., (Signed) Edward Cardwell. Governor Sir George Grey, K.C.8., &c., &c., & c. [No. 21.] 3opy of a dispatch from the Right Honourable Edward Card well, M.P., to Governor Sir George Grey, K.C.B. Downing street, November 26th, 1864. Sir, —I have received your dispatches of the dates md numbers noted in the margin. It never was intended by her Majesty's Government to place the direction of native affairs in the hands of the colonial administration in any such sense as to give them the control of her Majesty's forces, either directly or indirectly. The continuance of the war involves the continued employment of the Queen's troops ; and it is therefore evident that if terms of accommodation are to be refused by the Colonial Ministers, in opposition to pour judgment, the control of her Majesty's forces is, in effect, withdrawn from you, and placed in the hands of the Colonial Ministers. The same reasoning applies to the treatment of the prisoners taken in war. You, «n the one side, and your Ministers on the other, have attached great importance to the bearing of that treatment on the continuance of the war. It was my duty on receiving the earliest intimation of a difference between you, to give you my instructions on the subject; and I accept as just and accurate the interpretation you have put on those instructions; viz.— " That such prisoners are to be dealt with according to law, and not to be disposed of at any person's pleasure, and that they are to have the same safeguards thrown around them, to protect them from wrong, or being injured by thereat of momentary passions, as the laws and customs of the empire throw around all her Majesty's subjects; but that, in the event of the Ministry in this country requiring the Governor here to act virtually as their servant in carrying out illegal acts in reference to such prisoners, in a manner that he regards as being unduly harsh, you will support him in refusing any longer to carry out such illegal proceedings in a manner he deems harsh and ungenerous; and that also, within the limits of the law, he may, if he sees a strong necessity for doing so, deal generously with such prisoners, whether with or without the consent of his Ministers." . On these two points I now repeat, in the name of her Majesty's Government, the instructions which I gave you in my two dispatches of 26th May and of 27th June. With respect to the extent of the confiscation proposed to you by your Ministers, I stated to you in my dispatch of 26th April, that the Confiscation Act was only allowed to remain in operation for the present on certain conditions, one of which was that no land should be confiscated unless you were personally satisfied of the justice of the confiscation in the particular case. I had not remembered the interview which Mr. Reader Wood has reported. But I recognize the accuracy of his statement, as conveying what I meant, and what I, no doubt, expressed to him. It might have been inconvenient to you in the midst of the war to be required to convene your Legislature at a particular time; but I did mean it to be understood that her Majesty's Government will not allow their power of disallowance to expire by efflux of time; and I request you will take care that I am fully informed, as time goes on, as to the measures which you are taking to render that disallowance unnecessary. I have, &c., (Signed) Edward Cardwell. Governor Sir George Grey, K.C.8., &c., &c., &c. [No. 26.] Copy of a dispatch from the Right Honourable Edward Cardwell, M.P., to Governor Sir George Grcv K C B Downing street, December 26th, 1864. Sir,—l have observed with great regret the differences between yourself and your Responsible Advisers, of which I have received intelligence by each succeeding mail, and am much concerned to find that these protracted differences have ended at length in the necessity for a change of your administration. I had hoped that the explicit instructions given you by her Majesty's Government as to the principles on which they desired that your dealing with the Confiscation Act, and with the conduct of the military operations, should be founded, and the plain statement of their determination to look to you as the proper interpreted those principles in their application to the actual circumstances of the case, would have been accepted by your advisers as a sufficient reason for waiving their own opinions when those opinions differed from yours on these subjects.! trusted they would have been able to act cordially with you in giving effect to your instructions. They have shown in their own minutes how impossible it is to expect that such a war can be satisfactorily -or honourably brought to a close under divided counsels, and must, I think, acknowledge that the representative of the Sovereign was the person in whom alone her Majesty's Government could be expected to repose that full confidence which was necessary to insure unity of action. Since, however, it has proved impossible for you and them to act together, I can only hope that you will have been able to supply their place with other Ministers, whose sentiments will be more in unison with your own, and by whose cordial co-operation you may be enabled to carry into effect the instructions you have received. I observe with pleasure that you anticipate that you win be supported by a majority in New Zealand in doing that which is right. With reference to the remarks of your Ministers upon my dispatch of 27th June, I think it due to them as well as to yourself to say that I wish that dispatch to be understood in the plain and obvious meaning of the words, without limitation and without reserve. I intended to give you full authority to deal with the prisoners taken in war, in every case in which your opinion differed from that of your Ministers, and not merely in a supposed case of their being desirous to act illegally and harshly, though of course the instructions would be especially applicable to such a case if you considered it to have occurred. I had no intention of imputing to , them any. such disposition. I meant you to under- > stand, in the widest terms, that it was for you per--1 sonally, as the representative of the Imperial Go- ' vernment, to decide upon the release or detention 1 of persons taken prisoners in the course of' the mili--1 tary operations; that I wished you to obtain the ' advice, and, if possible, the concurrence of your Ministers, but did not consider that concurrence in-

iUpensablo. 1 stated that I should he fully pre- th mred to lupport you In citae you should have In bought it necewary, with or without the consent of 'our Ministers, so to deal with these prisoners an in »r 'our opinion the public interest might have required, tli It seems thnt your Ministers protest against these rc nstruotious, I, on the contrary, consider thnt I tli ihould have been wanting in the discharge of my I >bvi»us duty if I had failed to Rive thvin, ti< I shall look with anxiety for the report which you to iromiso to send mo respecting the escape of the pri* nj ioners from the isiandof Kuwau. I can only observe,in tl ;he meantime, that the history of these prisoners tl lifords a striking proof of the evils which result in u] he conduct of a war from disputed authority, and b; )f the absolute necessity for placing, in one rcspon- ni dblc hand, the power of dealing with questions rf irislng out of the conduct of military operations, I tr trusted that this had been placed, by my dispatch of tl Tune 27, beyond all possibility of doubt. T I must express an earnest hope that in future the ej iaily business of the colony may be transacted s between the Governor and his advisers under rcla- 8 tions of mutual confidence, and in a friendly and sordini spirit, rather than by means of adverse b minutes, treasuring up records against a future ti time, and involving great and deplorable delay in 1; the conduct ef present and pressing affairs. tr You are quite right in thinking that her Majesty's G Government wished you, if you thought it prudent, p it once to proclaim to the rebel natives terms on tf which their submission would be accepted. I greatly n regret that so much delay had occurred in issuing c juch a proclamation ; and that five months after pou had reported in your dispatch of 7th May, that t< pott thought it essentially necessary to let the natives e know some terms upon which they might return to u their allegiance, no sufficient steps ,liud been taken t for that purpose. n It is difficult for me to form a positive opinion as s to the effect which the demand for a surrender of <3 irms would have produced upon the natives. But t you urge reasons, which seem to me very weighty, t for the course which you have proposed to pursue; i: ind you are quite right in believing that her Majesty's v Government have expected you to act upon your v jwn judgment. It is probably a question upon which ( the opinions of well-informed persons might legiti- j mately differ; but you state thnt you had consulted c the Lieutenant-General upon the terms of the pro- t posed Proclamation, and your decision, taken after t that consultation, I am perfectly ready to support. With reference to the extent of the proposed con- 1: flscation, I have only again to refer you to my dis- c patch of 26th April. The conditions on which alone t her Majesty's Government were content to leave the a Confiscation Act in operation were there clearly r stated. It was stated also that of the application of r those conditions to the actual circumstances of the e case you were to be the judge. That confidence was t reposed in you in the full belief that you would dis- i charge your trust, with a just regard for the inte- i rests both of the colonists and of the Maoris. I told i you that while " I did not dispute the right of the t Colonial Government to obtain from the punishment 1 of the insurgent natives some aid in defraying the i expenses of the war, or, in other words, of including t in the contemplated cession or forfeiture lands to < be disposed of by sale, as well as lands to be devoted ' to the purposes of military settlement, yet that j these expenses had been mainly borne by this s country, which had, therefore, a right to require that i the cession or confiscation of territory should not be < carried further than might be consistent with the ( permanent pacification of the island and the honour i of the English name." < I observe that your Ministers, having failed for 1 the time in the negotiation of the unguaranteed < loan, had determined that some reduction of the < colonial expenditure must be effected, and are about 1 to lay before you their proposals lor accomplishing t that object. If it was necessary to reduce the. expenditure of the colony, the juncture was surely one at which those who represented the Imperial Government were especially bound to take a decided course in reference to all questions upon which the general military expenditure must depend. If they failed to do so, it was natural to expect that an addition would be made to the already very serious charge defrayed by the mother-country, t This might, I think, have been with your Ministers 1 another and a cogent reason for deferring in those ] respects to your opinion and that of the General in < command. I shall look with anxiety for your next dispatches, i The time has now arrived when I am about to com- 1 municate finally with the Secretary of State for War ; upon the preparation of his estimates for the coming ; year. I trust, that it will not be necessary to provide for the maintenance in New Zealand, after the close of the present campaign, «f a force larger than that towards which, under the correspondence between this department and the Colonial Treasurer, New Zealand is expected to contribute. I have, &c., (Signed) Edward Cardwell. Governor Sir George Grey, K.C.8., &c., &c., &c. [No. 28.1 Copy of a dispatch from the Eight Hon. Edward Cardwell, M.P., to Governor Sir George Grey, K C B Downing street, January 26,1865. Sir,—l have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your dispatches of the dates and numbers noted n the margin. I have read with great satisfaction the dispatch of General Cameron, enclosing the report which he had received from Colonel Warre of the expulsion of the hostile natives from their positions at Mataitawa and Te Arei on the Bth and 10th of October last. It is very gratifying that successes so important to the safety of New Plymouth and its neighbourhood should have been obtained with so little resistance, and without loss; and yet that General Cameron and Colonel Warre should be able to speak of the circumstances not only as reflecting much credit on the forces employed, both regular and colonial, but also, as haviug afforded to friendly natives an opportunity of showing their fidelity and zeal. I observe also with especial pleasure the high terms in which you speak of the services rendered by Mr. Parris, of the Native Department, in the discharge of his laborious and frequently hazardous duties. I approve the step you have taken in issuing a proclamation stating to the rebel natives the terms on which her Majesty's clemency will be extended to them. In my last dispatch I expressed my great regret that some sufficient steps had not long ago been taken with this view. I cannot but think that at some former periods, as, for instance, immediately after your success at Rangiriri and the occupation of Ngaruawahia by the Queen's troops, or, again, after the success of Colonel Greer, at Tauranga, the opportunity might have been seized with great advantage of making known the terms on which those who had been in arms might return to their allegiance. It may be doubted now whether, after the unfortunate escape of the prisoners and their establishment in a fortified position in the hitherto undisturbed district north of Auckland, the same prospect of success attends the measure. Nevertheless I do not hesitate to approve it. I sincerely regret indeed that the consent of your Ministers has been withheld from this important step. It was, however, absolutely necessary for you to act with decision. In consulting with General Cameron and Sir W Wiseman,—and taking in concurrence with them the step which, after full consideration, you believed to be the most judicious,—you acted in conformity with your instructions and fulfilled the intentions of Her Majesty's Government. I trust that the result has answered your expectation,—and in that case, I doubt not you will have proceeded without delay to specify the quantity of land which you require to be ceded by the rebel tribes. It may, however, not improbably have happened that the measure taken after so long delay, and under circumstances comparatively bo unfavourable, may have failed.—or may have been attended only with very partial success. In this case you will at least have the satisfaction of knowing that you have given to the rebels an opportunity of obtaining terms; and that the refusal of those terms has been their own act. You will then do well to proceed at once to carry into effect the Settlements Act, in conformity with the instructions conveyed to you in my dispatch of April last. You will, I think, do well to state m the most public manner, the extent of the'confiscation vou propose to sanction; and let the hostile natives understand that if they abstain from further acts of war, and return to habits of obedience and order, they will remain in undisturbed possession of all the lands which are not included m the confiscation. , . , The limits to which that confiscation must be carried can only be decided on the spot, with _ local knowledge, and with an immediate application to the circumstances of the time. This is a matter encompassed with difficulties of detail, involving most important considerations of justice, policy, and finance. But the principles by which Her Majesty a Government expect you to be guided in fixing these limits are laid down as clearly as I could express them in my dispatch of April 26. I have been in communication on this subject wun the Secretary of State for War. The time at which you will receive this dispatch will nearly coincide with the termination of your summer, and the usual cessation of active military operations in New Zealand. It will also coincide with the period at which

Ie Estimate* now about to be submitted to the mporial Parliament will come into operation. You were quite right in refusing your assent to ny plan of operation* which, in your judgment and lint of General Cameron, would have rendered large I'lnforccmcnts iieccssary,— might Imvc involved lieir detention in the country for many years,—and, presume, would, by currying the troops into posiloris still more remote from Auckland, have added o the eo*t of tratmport, already Hit enormous. It ppenrs now that, in consequence (if the prelim; of bo military expenditure upon tlie Colonial Treasury, lie Colonial Ministers have thought it incumbent ipon them to issue a sudden and unexpected order, iy which all the local forces at Taranaki. except the ullitary settlers, have been struck off pay and Ations; and I understand that, generally, the rerenehment of military expenditure is regarded by hem as neccssary, in the present circumstances, rhey will, I think, be prepared at the same lime to xpcct that Iler Majesty's Government will have the ame object in view, and will, at least, refuse their anction to new and more extended operations, Hut If the objects of the war are not extended leyond those limits which appear to have been eonem plated by you in your dispatch of 6th January, 864, and were approved by Her Majesty's Governnent in my dispatch of 20th April last, Iler Majesty's jovernment lire of opinion that it would now be tossible considerably to reduce the force tnainained in New Zealand, and to curtail within much larrower limits the proportionate expense of the lommissariat and transport necessary for that force. In the Waikato district the defeated natives appear :o have retreated to positions to which it is practically impossible to follow them without entering apou new and expens-ve operations, of indefinite extent, and of extraordinary local difficulty. At Taranaki the insurgents have been driven from their strongholds, and New Plymouth so far relieved from Sanger that tiie Colonial Government have thought themselves justified in disconiinuing the services of the militia. At Tauranga the submission of the natives has been complete, and ihe only danger which has been suggested in that quarter is that which General Cameron apprehends may arise if the Colonial Government persist in their intention of purchasing a very large extent of country, a portion of which is at a great distance from his posts, while the right to sell it is disputed by one of the tribes of the Thames. In determining the limits of confiscation, you will have to arrive, between conflicting difficulties, at a decision of great importance to the future welfare of the colony. On the one hand, I agree with your advisers that any exhibition of vacillation or weakness at the present juncture would be very unfortunate; and it is always a subject for careful consideration, in dealing with a native race, whether any concession, even in the hour of conquest-may not be regarded in that light. On the other hand, to push into the heart of a hostile country, like the Uppei Waikato, a narrow line of undefended settlements, might be to lay the certain train for future conflicts. If you considered that you were called upon to confiscate in the Taranaki District the entire nativt territory of friendly natives and all others, you had evidently no alternative but to refuse your assent Such a course would evidently be at variance witl your instructions and with the plainest rules of justice and would be incompatible with any hope of enduring peace. I will not attempt to prescribe to you ir detail the frontier which you should establisl either at Waikato or at New Plymouth. It would be impossible for me safely to do so. But in acting ii the spirit of your instructions, you will take care tc lay down such limits as may, in your judgment, aftei consultation with the General, appear to be mosi consistent with justice, both towards tribes and indi viduals, and best calculated to secure the safety ol t!ie colonists. All land included under such confis cation will be justly assigned to the Colonial Govern ment, for purposes either of settlement, or of sale, oi for fulfilling the pledges given to the proposed mili tary settlers. But to conquer more land than maj be necessary with a view to the future safety of th< colonists, is not an object for which her Majesty'i Government consider that it is possible to maintaii an army in New Zealand ; nor can they consent t< the confiscation of territory, however justly forfeite< by rebellion, which would render necessary the em ployment of an Imperial force to protect the nev occupiers against the former owners of the land. There may, indeed, be districts conquered fror the hostile natives which they may justly deserve t lose, and which the colony may fairly expect, as result of its efforts and expenditure to acquire ; an yet these districts may, in your opinion and that c the General, be so situated as not to justify you i holding them by scattered detachments of th Queen's troops, both on account of the heavy ea pense for transport to which the Imperial Govern ment would continue, to be exposed, and the unsuil able nature of the service itself. In this case yo will be at liberty to retain the territory so situatec subject to the general conditions which I have al tached to every act of forfeiture, provided that th Colonial Government be prepared to hold it with it own local forces, or military settlers, or both; an that, in your opinion it can be safely forfeited, with out sowing the seed of future hostility with th natives. The Imperial Parliament has provided, with grea liberality, for the expenses incurred in two cam paigns, and has offered to the colony to guarantee j loan unusually large in proportion to the resource of the colony. This liberality has been shown upoi the faith of repeated statements respecting the polic: which has been prescribed to you in your instruc tions with regard both to the operations of the wa aud to the confiscation of native land. It would no be possible for Her Majesty's Government to submi to Parliament for the ensuing year estimates ren dered necessary by an opposite policy; or by an in tention of continuing the war longer than wai required for carrying into effect the policy whicl had been declared. I saw with great satisfaction that your Assembly was about to meet; and trust that their deliberation will have done much to terminate those painful con troversies in which you have been involved witj your responsible advisers. I do not think that. should advance the public interest by entering int< any lengthened discussion of those differences whicl have so frequently arisen between yourself an< your Ministers, or of the voluminous minutes ii which they are conveyed. Indeed, voluminous ai are the papers already before me respecting the un fortunate escape of the prisoners from Kawau, tha controversy is not closed, and the subject is notevei ripe for me to form, or to express, my view upon i' I will, however, say, I do not consider myself a: reversing the principles laid down in the Duke o Newcastle's dispatch of the 26th February, 1868, No 22, but as dealing with a state of things to whicl that dispatch was not in any degree intended to ap ply. The Duke of Newcastle wrote when a com paratively small number of Her Majesty's troops weri present in the colony, and before those troops wen engaged in hostilities, and he explained with refer ence to that state of things that the Governor hat certain limited responsibilities respecting the go verninent of the natives, and the exclusive power o determining whether, and in what manner, Hei Majesty's forces had been employed. Bui he did not define, or endeavour to de fine, the relations between the Imperial ant Colonial Governments after a civil war should hav< actually broken out. So far was the Duke of New castle from intending to give up to the Colonia Ministers the control of questions affecting peac< and war, that in his dispatch of 26th of February 1863, No. 22, he stated expressly— « You would be bound to judge for yourself as t< the justice and propriety of employing, and the besi mode of employing, Her Majesty's forces. In thu matter you might of course fortify yourself bj taking the opinions of your Ministers, but th< responsibility would rest with yourself and theofficei in command." , In these words he plainly indicated, as I think that principle of conduct in these matters, which H has been necessary for me, under very different circumstances, to carry into practical effect. On nvji own part, 1 have always declared my determwatior not to interfere with the principle of local selfgovernment, as regards the affairs either of the colonists or of the natives. But self-government means the control by any people of their own forces, their own finances, and their own relations of peace and war. It does not mean that the right of establishing a policy shall belong to one body, and the duty of providing the means of carrying that policy into effect shall be laid upon another. The principal responsibility of carrying on this war, and even the chief share in the cost of its operations, hat devolved upon the mother-country, and it has been impossible for the Home Government to permit the control of the war to fall into the hands of the Colonial Ministers, where their opinions have differed from those of the Officers more directly responsible to the Crown. Questions may, of course, be raised as to the application of this principle, but it is the only principle upon which her Majesty s Government could consent to carry on a war for the security of the colonists. . The views of Ministerial authority entertained bj your advisers appear to me wholly foreign to th< circumstances in. which the colon)'is placed; and J cannot but feel that every consideration of gratitude to the mother country, and even of enlightenedl selfinterest should have led them to support cordial!) almost any line of policy which the Governor anc

General might deliberately adopt, rather than engage in a struggle for power, with its attendant controversies, delays and changes of purpose. .It must be clearly understood that her Majesty's Government do not Acknowledge the obligation to carry on war at the expense of this eountrfttill the natives are so broken or disheartened as to render further wrtr impossible. Nor, again, do they think it indispensable to require that any specific condition* should be made respecting the universal recognition of European law in district i:» which we have not, ;ta yet, the power practically to ensure to the natives the benefits of Kuropvun institution". The objects which Iter Majesty's Government have been desirous of effecting for the < Vdouists are substantially thcs.fThey have wished to currv on the war till the rebels bad bfen untquivwally defeated. This has been accomplished in the Waikato and Tauranga districts, an ! lens completely at Taranaki also. They have wished to inflict upon the rebel tribes, or some of them, an exemplary punMiment, | in the way of forfeiture of lands, which shall deter them from any wanton aggression in future This your instructions enable you to cXfciite Finally, they wish to restore a peacu wliicli shall enable Europeans and Maoris t,<« cultivate their land and pursue their own interests in such security as the nature of the case admits of, and slmli remove any immediate occasion of quarrel. Such a peace r/iL'ht. restore to the natives the of European intercourse and trade, and give oppor: unity for that intercourse and trade to produce their invariable results in the growth of civilization and the extinction of anomalous and irregular authority. I have been desirous of thus explaining the views of her Majesty's Government, in order that no misapprehension may exist h New Zt ; dand of ttie obligations admitted or of the int n ion« entertained by them. Before this time the decision of the General Assembly upon the questions of the loan, the contribution for Imperial aid, and the modification of the Settlements Act. will have been arrived at. You will have had the opportunity of consulting the statesmen whose support you have looked for ; and I shall learn with pleasure that you have been enabled to form an administration possessing the confidence of the Assembly, and acting cordially with you. Upon the Assembly itself a grave responsibility will have rested. Their decisions will, in all probability, affect in no slight, decree the duration of the present unhappy conflict, the future peace and welfare of the colony, and the maintenance of satisfactory relations between the two races, and between the colony and the mother-country. I shall await with great interest your report of their deliberations, the result of which will necessarily receive the very serious consideration of her Majesty'i Government. There is no disposition on our part to withdraw lrom the colonial Government any portion of that control over the affairs either of the settlers or of the natives, which has already been vested in them; and I shall sincerely rejoice in the termination of the war, not only on its . own account, but also because it will relieve the i Home Government from duties and responsibilities [ which a state of war necessarily imposes upon us, but which are in their nature difficult and unsatis- [ factory. I have written this dispatch in concert with the ! Secretary of State for War. He intends to instruct , General Cameron to make arrangements for the rel turn to England of a portion of the forces now un- . der his command ; but the specific instructions are [ open to modification according to the news which he i may receive by the next mail with respect to the • prisoners escaped from Kawan, and to the state of af- ; fairs in the northern portion of the Island. They will . be sent to General Cameron by the next mail from ■ England. I have, &c., (Signed) Edward Cardweix. • Governor Sir George Grey, K.C.B. & c., &c., &c.