ARRIVAL OF THE ENGLISH MAIL VIA SUEZ.

Hawke's Bay Times, Volume XIII, Issue 579, 25 May 1868, Page 2

ARRIVAL OF THE ENGLISH MAIL VIA SUEZ.

I Tun s.s. Storm Bird, Captain Doile, ■ arriv'd in imrt at 9 o’clock this morni!!;., from Wellington, with the European M-.ils via Suez on board. i In our desire to lay before the public bW latest intelligence by the present we Irvo delayed going to press nniii rather an advanced hour. I GENERAL SUMMARY. : London, March 2-lth. 1 Too Qnnon is at Windsor, in good .health. She has resumed holding win i rooms. Present-'tmns and levees to the Trir.co of M ales are, during the ’'"c-rds pleasure, to bo considered •'<; :iv::k-nt to presentations to her v. j Th? Toko of Cambridge has ap-'nointi-d Gen -ml Carey, on bis return ,V. ■; cmr. mar ding t ! •* troops in Aus:r to tho err,'.maud of a brigade at A’ lev shot. T’ra Ouo«n has visited Aldershot, p'n 1 is gop.'g mors into public than r r-.'Cy. Cue intends visiting Germany nut., tor. I Tito L ;■;•-! Mayor and Corporation of ; Guidon \vnt ;a state to Windsor to ;»uy-p?u?. to t'.a Queen the loyal address ptsced by the Common Council in re-.i’.T'-nco to the lonian outrages, i A friend of p.-.pn'.-i'- impre-dmenthas : off., red ram of £IOO,OOO to bo do- \■ fn tee purpose of proraoting : techni-v! cducat : on. : Hr DicbwW s-Turn in America has Awn sneer-•-Cd beyond anticipations. I We rcuTpls of four niebts’ readings at j Washington were over 10,000 dollars, pnd for eight readings at Piiiladelpbia |over 19,000 dolhirs. Mr Dickens h”"-nh.l return to England in the middle M Anril. j Toe dowager Lady Tichborne ha? d;c 1 suddenly, and an inquest has been liiolcl. The Australian claimant of the i’iue ami estates sp.ted that £I,OOO iws been offered to bis servant to procure his death- The verdict attributed ; death to natural causes. A discreditable took place at the funeral, at : which the Australian claimant figured i prominently, carrying off her 'lady ,ship's body from the other relatives. ■ The capital sentence passed on Thompson and Mai lane, theMauch;?. ; rr-r L'uurai Convicts has been comnv.ttod' to penal servitude for life. j Australian securities maintain their 1 ! price. j Tire Oriental Bank have dec’'-wl A j'livid end for the half year of six per': | The London wool sales have boon! | spirited in all descriptions, which ha.?; jcans-\i a rise of 11-1 p-r lb. j | The Bishop of London ins declared i | his opinion in the House of Lords that! !no danger can ensue to the reU?h.u?! of the Universities from yhe admission of persons who disscur from the Established Church to the governing body and to the professorship. The leadership of the House of Lords devolves upon Lord Mahr.sbury. ; i\. unlhant reception is being' y.re.pared for the Prince of Wales in Ireland. The Princess of Wales will accompany him. They will sail in their yacht the Enchantress.

A desire to place restrict’! .-as on the! 3 -la of iiqur.r is gradual 'y making way. aho move:;;-;.!, :s su’T-' rffd Hy a large number of the working clucvn. m bill on tin subject Las b-ec-r. read a second time in the ’ feus* of Cm.-mans, reier; ed to a Select Committee. Great c.miplahus have Lwa made as to the new Anstiahwi pwt;d arrangements. A memorial to the p ,si | me stor-General from back-Ar, mo -1 chants, (Me., praying for a change, is in course of signature. The corres pomlcuce between the Manogw of ti,p - Bank of South Australia and the Post-master-General of that colony, has been published. The latter declares that arrangements were made after; mature deliberation and consultation: w;th the largest Australian Banking Institutions. In the House of Commons, Mr iclater Booth stated that it was impossible to malm any alterations without great expense and considerable 1 inconvenience to Victoria and New, South Wales. : St. Patrick’s Day passed off quietly m Dublin. There was not the slightest excitement of any kind. ° | Feuianisin appears to be quite extinct. ; CONTINENTAL NEWS. j A disturbance lias taken place at Toulouse and Nantes from the dishW : M the working population to the yawings for tire National Guard off Mobile. Crowds sang the Marseillais,?.! Barricades were erected and several arrests effected. Prince Napoleon visited Berlin on e diplomatic mission. An assembly cf cardinal-, and rvo I lates has been summoned at Iff one.; for the purpose of consultation on a ; question for revision of Ike Concordat! with Austria. | A serious conflict tplace at mid-' eight on the 2'otb March, ui. Brussels. ! between the troops uM riders. ' ’j AMERICA. j The Senate Court mot on the ]3tV March f,»r the trial of President -ffAn-' ?on. Tl-.e Court ordered the President' to file bis answer to the Articles on on before the 23rd March. vh---n John-' 'Oj s counsel liied au answer denying ■ all the c’-urges, and appffr-d fora delay of thirty days to prepare for the trial. Hie Senate refused f\. 3 appli.mtiou bv -11 votes against 12. I’i.A drou<o ot Representatives hied a r-rdy in answ: r. to Johnson. The repdy affirmed al! ; the charges. | LATEST TELEGRAMS. j I,or.don. Ap-il p. j Sir Roderick Murchison has rotvive»l a lett<>r dated Z-ti-ffbar, -Hi Fcd.-vnanv announcing the aniv.d . f the hmg-rx- 1 peeffa] Arab tm?-e;;ger witiid. q-atcucs from Dr Li'ff-;g-to;i?. i The Karl of Carligr-n U dead, i ahe lale-t Atlantic* Ca! ’e telegram-! announce toot, too have gained the Gmrrcticut elections. ! D Arcy M‘(ios has Men assassinated 1 ii;, Ottawa. Iho assassin has not been disco vorod. ; Telegraphic communication with india hns been iuterru,ved by the breaking of the Persian • uiff' wire, raising a delav of nkm;-.- ff ws. i -•'o\ -cos from tee Aovssuii.in oxogdition stale that King Tv.-.d.-wns -Mff ‘citwnc’ied on T-dauia Platoon, and ‘Virko inf mded giving {-.uR.,- thcreff * i,-; - ig:t(te vans to advance on, •M’nngi on the 11th March. Nearly 1 l; rho treors are rr>\y on ]AA bn k, mid ! ,r. • sum lies cf ff| kinds; wr- offoew-d :n tiw iwMhh nkw-d of, Antal. I.aAa i ro-ivod from nfficiaS it- imad-ipnu’t 'ra sAdo that Thoob-nw 1 a said to have ih.-tesn guns jn Magdaia, and was stoiing the idao- with J” >' isions. lie was also said to have!. An Jia usard d;s.ff -f . lined troop?, and w quite d.-tormi-vd to fight,, Tim Ihansh c-ikeors and men were anxicuG : to the fn'tross. | T.at. r advices state that the Advance!. Guard had arrived at Antila. The.! roads were extremely had. A detach-b :mmt liad opened a mule road only fork provisions. Ihe hcad-onorters were at a Asbangi. la the middle of March all;! was well.

government-, beta of wnseh questions ere; of growing im.mrt.inc’. As for su;ci>c-jag ! you can stop the demuid for m L i> •*if-go I vernment,you cannot do it. Y ru might a-*! well with 'Dime Partington, to’keep! out the Atlantic with a hrrdvn. V»n in i Nelson do nut know the cir.-umcMn which affect and i -d-tcnee p >;.»!-• of Oih-ri provinces. Oursi 1 • of Nelg-m/exc -pt B> : suburban (listl ie's. .VI .tu -kit and VTo.j mea—which are onlv ?übu-bs after all ! there are really no outlying districts, ex-| cepfe the gold-fields ; and these are of! such a special character, that they cannot 1- ;i taken into account. Mark my words! ifj the table of the House of Itenrcsenla-I tiveg is not crowded with petitions in! favor of local government next ses-ion,; you may say that my polhical prophecies; are not worth much. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) You cannot prevent tiie conn-' try districts from associating them;-Ives; for corporate purposes, any more than you! can prevent towns from doing the smie' thing. I can see that, if the onposhion i.y some quarters is not lessened—if no provi-; siou is made for local government wlien 1 - the provinces collap-e—as some of tuem; must do in a very short time ;—in fact, 1 ; will not be surprised if the collapse came! any day—then there will be no local go-! vernment at all in these provinces; "no! machinery except what the General Go-! vernment may choose to send. Tins h not| satisfactory. My idea, and that of my l colleagues, has always been in favor of ex-| tending the principle of local j meat as fully as possible; and 1 my take I credit to myself for having done something! in this respect. The first Mi.dsirv o; ■ which I was a member localised She lam J j revenue, and delegated to the provinces ai very large administration. I shall continiu j to do what I can to give towns and districts ! the opportunity of associating themselves! for the purposes of local self government.: The oilier important question which wilii require to be considered is that of .finance, j and that is one which will task to the ui-j termost the best powers of anv Govern ment. I do no;, mean tlie present Government particularly, but any Government! which may be in office for the next four o. j five years. The conduct of the finance oil the colony during (hat, time wiil be utter.-j ded with great difficulty. (Hear, hear.) I cannot, beyond indicating my opinion that | an Income Tax till may probably bo in I treduced next session, say anythin;’ more definite. 1 tliink that axi lnc.jmc°L'ax isj admirably adapted for the Colony, particularly as it will reach the cN.sa of ab sentees, who derive large incomes from the Colony without bearing any of its burdens (Hear, hear) 1 wi-h to state hit opinion clearly on this point, Lvcau *s I am non Speaking to New Zealand as vu-li as to in-. | consiii neats of Nelson ; mol whut I «;,» I hero to-night will be ri-ni r-i! t i. C.',- ’ lony. (Hear, hear.) 1 slicu! !, therefore. * wish to give the full- »t . s>.V i.t.ioa a,, tJ wlmt next session th > Id::, ir-v may jwvf pose to do in connecti. a 'a an. portant question; r.u-i, it I e -aid, v, mill'd indicate precisely what might be the pr-n-'i posals of the (lover,.me it f.jr the next! year. But there are elves s; ri »j ' various contingencies wide'-, i.. a cvnin-, circumstanced as this is, it is ifu'.,o;oi : ]„■ ■ foresee; and as yer fi.j not umivv ,v.u; maybe the result of the r.-..ii.ti-..s Mr Filzherbert in '..0i,.;0-i. ,Vr do ; know whether these m-p.M-Timis m,.v / • euccesstnl in whole, or in imp or m all. (Hear, hear, and e. : tn.;h) VfiP-j respect to the pre? pi. i;m:; ri s-me op the provinces whi-.m have b i m d.,fiend ties, I am happy to ?a e t ; ,,r, tii.v ar ■ no" j showing signs of improvement’-!;. 1 ;.v„ j very, (Hear, hear) Sombland is stc. did improving, although- making ie-.s iki!than at one time, ami Auckland is cciiaina J rallying, and will soon get into that file, ■ of steady progress whirl/ evervon.) will Lv! glad to see taking place, and which tin ! great natural resources of that part of ihr-! colony will ensure to it in future. (i! ; . ; ,-. | hear.) Most fortunately h has hanpenvii! for Auckland, as it frequently happens nd Other parts of New Zealand, lime i'li.ii do n gloomiest prospects wore presented, some-1 thing occurs to improve its position. xlu- : discovery of a gold-field on the 1 ham-s| has been successful in preventing dn : r, e ni I’ gra'ion from the province if An lilaud.| which the compara.ivoly ptostralc coudi- j tion of its commerce would have reader, dj probable, and has found emp'ovment fed those who could not have i-om.-d h el-e-I whero in the province. (Hear, hoar.) 1/ accompanied the G- >vcrnor lat-Av ( > tl-.Y gold district of the Thames, and ! aid no; I meet with a single ctiseimlenleu p.-r:o.*J except one.* I met as I walked along il.e' beach more women and children than are! usually met iu towns, and 1 spoke to mm;. persons, asking how they were dob 0 ; an i: with the single exception dialed to (midi that man admitted that he had mad? ffpsj the previous week), all said that t.u v wove! doing well, and were contented.' (Ap-! plause.) The tents are disappearing. aa.il giving place to substantial ‘houses’: and! the diggers arc daily sending for t.-.eir fa-i milies. That gold-field has saved Auckland, i by preventing the loss of its population— - and population is the strength of a oo:m-| try. That country which has a pronrpviivej population is a country which wifi be I nmen^rnne— nnf, novnono o■> 0 ■> 1 £ , 7 f V.UIH UUHU Irom year to year, but in period? of fire or j seven years. The advancing population oij New Zealand juTifies a confident hoc-e in' its future. New Zealand, although notj years ago, is still advancing. More lands! are being fenced, new hnds are bcini 1 bioken up by the plough, industriesj may look forward with confidence (o a steadily improving future. In nddition to the measutc-s 1 have meutioued,

I , . i oiderc may On a i.m mils imrouncca tor /farther cons did ;iiiw cur 1 iws similar in !ciii?ar!or to the Act? which ijc msofi-icted the Crimi :■•-'! Law I..sc session, j II h ive now to thank v«u for Ivtviuj bt-ar.i| j’nc ;,t such t'-nph so natier.tlv, ,vi-I also! Ifvr najiy incfa.iers of your coml Imun-, :• -kG-U-h I do in f- pr -ten I to say that I i M .ive 1 - oin-'d c-’n-ur-.-, in, j.-erson in a pubjliccaro r e:m bm>.* t-> d-.i so—yet I must isay my long association with Nelson has, ■ as whole, been of a most pleasant characa have been live rimes elected your) j repres-’r.i.i!ive, twice j-i my absence, wit!i-| | out -.riy eh c : ,011 corn ui 1 ee or any cxertionsj pxc -pt th- foo;,:. -ic,iu= action of a few| dricmls. V,him ever may be my future po-J :p-i',ion, cither in pc-'uihod or private life.l. dterc or else-.vh.n-e, 1 snail never forget mvi■ j.-i.'-nciartim for u long period with the pc-j i ;;i;le ut Nclsoti, and i sincerely thank th.l jrleelors for all the kindness they liavi | '-ho.vn moi In cone;ud!:i;g, I may observei pint a v Government of New Zealand hf ititi;-; to forb.-i-.-tinee from the public ;| Tint a spirit of fair |-1 ty wouM dictate that f ./ill the ctreuiustcnccs which uffeet itsavtioai, .ishould be carefully weigh.-d b -tore it is| ■!conde:u-.ed. lint it sli mtd be rememberedi -Itllat owing to the configuration of the co-1 > lony, amt th.c matiner 5a whieh it ha?| ■ do.-r-n billed, tiie General Government has! ,| to deal \v:!n iiLiportaot q-i ms r.. poiringi ••grave c-onsid-.-nui m, ami :;l r :-i.i. " ui- erse' • | and cite j contradiolorj' im.-’-cst?, wiulei jit is isolated h-om many centres oil I pop. i) Pi n. That frotu tfi-e abs.meo olj |;i C'..mn;o:i centre there 'ij no clear and | ur;ir-.;.dakei:l)l ■ t-ipriisicn of [.•nolle! opinio a on the parr- of the co'cnr, as ..i ,j -citole. That I'ro.n the s:-.".;e cause tiiere isjno colonial p-.ss, bn; -.miv! v iec.ii jo-pm-iisd .iwliose iniiiiests require tli.-p, they s!it-uld' dchieily treat ofloe.a cm-.Pio-;.-. real b.n. mg-i 1 e is r o:Lilly r.Ter lo iLos-e >-i c 'Yu;.;; i:;ter •?> ■ ' ij.uid when they do n.iudo io g-met.d qaea ; J.ioiis they seldom —Isay it with .v-gia—j .itake tlio 1 roll ole I.) make 'liems lv ;• r.e : 1 [ti-dmed with lov p-cci-e facts. It is a.s,-! 10 (kstroy tiie i-cpu'-itiou of pnhh.- m, ;; ah jiuitiv t-.'.ints, or oJ a G-Vt-r.iment -1 eti re : jlermi to only w tli censur.'. If I -,v, i-,-/tsked to define the po-i of a ,j: .hP-,-! jin Now Ziiahind, 1 v,. ui . rci-lv 1;., ! ! I s tv 1 rule, if,: ale illume;; irom ah’ hi-d j(ne.ifls;_g:vo up all suporvMian of his pri-! | '.'ale a:' . i:-.s ; sao/iiioe ,* c aiai' igi* ,’eio -g , , i; ; ,j-.f his means, at.d poi-stliiy bis h.-ait'h ; .-u-i .j c ".ic,-er itard wo: k ano. c .li-iant c ;ie in ) endeavor to preserve the unitv of a eoun: r>: peojiled ly eemmuiiui,s ;cu-ated froni.- . and rcg.-inn;.' ; each otb-.T wiili feelings c : ! aeihs.i J-;dousy—each seetion in turn cm;-; -merieg th-.l it is ui-ba.i-ed from -omc -p,-- : I - ,■ | Amt he r.i'u-; taco t'd-- 1-. ,-i; I.ci v,,■ ; ; p,, | --'‘'d -xty..-. , j a: ii -s-ip ; ;li .1 \\ 1, ,! !, o win li-uc 1;,: o ;e eer-.pn Muj'ee ci e ! ' '>'! ] Uy!;i : , ) G; , - l: ,s vrm ..ily ■lui i. ii iCM, -1 ;■ ,! ; ~ ; ii n-v. 11 partly b-. - - J t P u _>i m i ; jim i'milie ; Pp, . ; p. .i,; I ’ J ‘‘ * ! “' 1 ,; T1 ■"li li-l !.;!■• , IPcitiM I' ? -Ui I AIP.OPe) or lli: 0 tjj;,) S.r.ing, and I take. : 1 lily i.pportuni'y of spePuey of u ive iiise,! !in the House of INpre- ci.itiv, >, Ni-CiaP ; ford denied f a- r.ccu; ;.-v of h:-. ow il;; r-s.i pri Pc-! in the I,do-'isp moi slm-c. n.,r ; ! - ! I e L l!-jr (n,:;!') i,ip..,p ii ,fi ■;r n w,l rr--i ; neons conc.nsm;.?, or mix,- I up til? own I -'dr mrai-roi;;); 1 never s_i 1 a;;' thing of- | Air Zi'ctap : It was so reported iu (he| ' v ■' - , I --.Lr OUCKi:: ; \ (rV well ; it was c 0 re I ported, I Hunk, 1; e ti.a WJ.ii.gi.m t.'-l-'-/--nd'-U or Ahveiii,: ; bp N--.ee Mr *l* s, d acmes it it does ;:-r. m.te-i ’natu r- ; ~“ n -/ :; s-I have the iie..r L s inejlsin.h . ‘ £ ' Ji-cc-ea.; ec " " i’cii I i i’ - ; ... ... rpnvi I j lea Defu.ica 7,| | - ■“ - ”■... ” - ■’■'h;':;' | j (uuaportioacJ l-,,-. 1 ,! | ; TiiC'O snviae* w.viM have been r.-fitsv to tivc’ '.snri'bi- divined amongst Inc provi. see*. 1 ■SVir.-'aps Gil Citarpes on Loan:: — I .0 1 Purveys io,. ■ io | TeP.eoii'-c.s, .Or g.-, ■ ,i 1 1 Taranaki titer.;: te'nnent) ... ” ... ifi.-cU 1 Uovermiuat House and uosiain (I.cnvry Bey) ... ... 25.1 tl ! Hisceiianeons j,g.p> | This sp.virc wnrdrl bare STOoied a covrosp-andnig j amount of future taxation of the people. ' | • Total savinigs which nii-rlu.have been effected’ 1 dniT.l wliieh woa’id stid have k-ft- the !....vernr.ieij:: •.iiioro amply proviucJ for than ii-bad e, been 1 !beloro; — j 'I £ j Savmc on Civil List, siv b,i-..'i i Cbar.vs on Vnnial revenue ... M-i.iro | Charges on Loan l-js.'t.rl ; I i £idVfl j

eay, in round numbers aoout i't'iO.im os rha expenditure of the current fluancial %zzs udlnr 3jlli Jung, 1803. livory word and figure here is Air SlrfFord’s —it contains no single conc’usi.i*! of mine, land is mixed up with no opinion of mine ; it is printed from his own manuscript, ;'iren to ms 01 the 22 "d fcpt.-uiber, IBfis. m hour before I left Wellington—(hear, hear, from Mr Stafford) —and mu? be use* fill to rc-ler to. Air Stafford said nothing about the Native department, and the heavy expenses attending it. Mere is what iffuioaei Kusseii. Mr Staif i’ri's Native Aiinister, said in tne Upper House some IG montlu ago : I found in some oases Civil Coavni-oiouerj with nothin;; or worse thou nolliing to do. vet drawing laiV’c salaries, and f -rait; unowauces, an 1 travel dins allowances, and<-«mti'is V ‘n<d.t.<i; liavns also clerks and interpreter*.' also witii uoo'i salaries aiul fir.vgc allo.vauc..s, I tonal uiso mrsiliul oi.i rn-s who should have plenty to do. hut did n it doit; with salaries, forage allowances, ho , travelling allows,:oe, allowance for mediealcomforts, 're. 1 foun t ,- ivil Coinnii.-sioners provided with yacht-, e:i>-u yacht ’.villi two boatmen, each b i.a’■oo; with Liff bis a year; but the climax of ab-is.u-tity was re iched when I came to the native Joill uals. Tiicse I fount ranee ! muter tlie beaus of Pensioners, Assessors, Heads of Rnnmuas Wardens. Karores, [fchrrVivr he us mill is-] Constables, iiireslors ol Public Works, Clerks to F.unuugas. U is h ■ cgai J to the pensions it was net easy to say iu many rases for what service they bad been granted. They ranged from f 5 ayear to i-goo, and they amount on the whole to £',To per annum. "•at yet, in spite of this, we find by the appropriations of last session that Air Staf ford’s Government spends upwards of £23,000 a-yenr in the same department, of which £13,000 is expended in salaries ol jotluvrs, and £IO,OOO under the very con- | cement head of “contingencies.” (Hear, |hear.) It wou’d bo useful to have so'iu- ; explanation of this. Air Stafford has, l.e j’ oils us, been reading the speeches ha uu; i.jin Arison during the las l four years, nml bs rather congratulates himself on the ac* ; curacy of his predictions. No doubt during plus perusal of past eloquence lie noted porno paints which it would bo more conve- ! ■ • I .>!t to torget,. I shall read one or two ju.wsa.'es which struck me at the time thev 'v. i 'i\‘ altered, and which I have reuacniIo- red during the last few days. In Jan., : loud,' Mr ."'’affoi d, who then did not lose [•my opportunity of sneering at Minister# i-receded him and their doings, re-fe-.red io some remarks of Air Sowell’s on li’r iviucial u. portionment of the Cus ■'"ills ivreuu-, which Air Stafford was ; cixlous to siiow he would secure to the i iffwinces, uml, sarcastically alluding to Air hew, 11 s fondness for staking his reputabi'.oi, Air Staliord said, “I stake mypoliti- ■ oil reputation against Air heweli’s that the t’rovi.-ees will liavetlieirful! three eighths.’’ ; statement was received with applause: w the mi-ef.ug, and what followed it? ■i ny this toilowed it, A few months af wuwts Air Jodie, then Colonial Iren- ■ •'.vor, made I,is tiuanci.il statement, and id- "as what he said with respect to the :;i• ■i.'lo hs of the Cnsioms : 'l ee Sur;i!;w .ievemi-vi w'-o n/ter eppr^firiatinn*]

' - ■■ t;!il :<l ic -''ii i*iulMti ox lho Ojjti- .• I . ■ • i Ti ‘• v.'!;!!- 4 | it Ui-.s iilbirit » l-COU LlsiVii '' '* •’" • * ■ > ’"'A'i :c‘s ; but tbu thru* uppcurs : - bA. by Mb-ii the prOVin-TS c.-.il uxpsVt to i’ 1 *■' ,! 'i i .io Colonial }l\AU'uvio.i ‘-be siiau 1 rare r.OiCreb l’>ro. * • It is, 1 believe, *• ,>• • "-.bio I'cr I hi- or any other Gov.-rn-i ho oM a.vru:enu;it for subsi- ■ ilu Ti'o\ hj'U‘> vatu t'M'ce-ei;alhs of the • -a,-. • *• The country oumot longer be e.urh to uv-.hi' c uitribn; iu aid ot i.rnvin- ' 1 *’ l ' on tno >c:i!e it Ins hitherto been ’ i .<) u *. • * I w.uihl sli - v>iV'!y iAVnui-n.'-’n; iiic ;e-«vi to rely in re upon tlmnsclvcs e.-.-’iV <o\ u ' i'i a c ,i i ''Os [unt? fbot, iii’tuiK*- . i ur T.u* v.- 1 . ‘ y* },nr-: !<t nor /.v.-h q-' • 1 ' 1 -’t" i‘ yo •« n‘ -/ ■• > ]. :irnl loss upon \ ht* tbuHll0. ...i'i pr. e.inoU'.U'p’.i-.s whh'h it irny be in it ' 4 su; ul the Gene. - .:! oiovou'nne.u sthi to conUn-.- i- Inw Mi' Stafford kept ij' ivemire. ■>' <1 now, n« it s,mis to me, iu- I --t t h.he y-iafir (apph,l-e) ; lncan<e. ‘ • 'A' 1 Mr .1 oil in was ST.nfieul, th.o. act ;'=i;t proposal are ;i> much Mr fc’faf;!\os n s fh-y are Mr •’*, for the act t-’i o;k Mi>.i<.Jvr is the net ol liu; Cabinet. . ii' .i',', iii ,;-) 1 have aii'.itlier quotaii •!> in f.-.e!, I wish to give these rather than sav I: .nch lay sell. Mr SlaflOrd, in lcid3, yerv .-en..;;-!y -warned tlie electors of Nelson .!■' - rif - against increasing our indebted1. : ihr.r we hail o ready been too incrutices in tlint r. jp'd. Mr Stafford sna, tain, and said v,eii end wisely as 1 i ’it : Tin- taint of (e'nt slinul.J bo carefully gnarilcA .‘"bi 1 nil ihnit .-Lnuicl bo such thal in a period of ut' i.'i ,ry pan.i.* or depression, which arises in all I-. ■'•"a m ium. Ui.i cxi-iin.' resources would provide lor the inierest of the debt.., U ■ u ii '.•■■l uo to Ivusi iu a cri.'is to dormant resour- : - ;* .■‘•■'uo.try u ouid preserve its repulaiiou for - : -1 f-ulh. I do not say that this limit has yet * » m No V.' hoohind; but 1 dosay. it due e u iry sots ou ine.n its public debts at the ( for the lu>t two years, it will boon he* ■h nh reaeho.i and exceeded. | i liia i* good sound reasoning, and it is a ■j'ity it is nut. mono frequently followed. ; i here is a reference to the resources of the !country, an exaggerated notion of which no.', helped in a great degree to induce iv.'.mbers, anil Nslsou members too, to advoe ito the running into farther debt. V* eli, after delivering this sound financial maxim what docs Mr Stafford do F Vi n.y a few months later we find him in Auckland aiding in passing the Three Mi!.non Loan Act, one grand source of our fi- : i.anctnl difiieul'ie? and the cause of gross .■■'aste. (Applause.) I came upon the i "Things of an accomplished American ! wriier on constitutional 1-mv, and found a : sound proposal made, and which was af- : ter wards emboclied in the cousiituiiim ot plic state of Xcit York. This was that the .state should have ro power to borrow money except to qae i rebellion or for defence without first appealing to the people, maAm? ilu- question in point of fact one for jinking the sense cf the electors on, and yetrii g by a “yea” or “nay” cf those | real.y interested in the contraction, because pe. Much interested in the payment oi lucUs—the public at large. (Hoar, hear.) jj-ladjhis been the ];ractice in this Colony Jltie inrea Million Loan would never have

puccd, and iho i’ublio Debt's -Act. would, not have been necessary. (Avplao?o.) As 1 f,’r ID V.bud’s letter sent ho.no on tho' authority of the Minister alone, and alter ing the share market as that letter tended r o do, and did,—l contend that that letter 1 wag (uglily unconstitutional, inasmuch as ( Air Stafford thereby assumed the functions i of the Assembly, and took action in a mat- i ter greatly affecting the public welfare, > mvl which ought first to have received the full sanction of the Parliament and the public, f.ipmause.) Air Stafford has repeatedly denied being actuate-.! by any , love of office, and I do not like to impute , disagreeable motives, but what is it that . has attached Mr Stafford so lone" to some ! of liis present coadjutors? I remember i reading, and was shocked in reading ir, ( that Air J. C. Richmond, in too eh i grin l ; and exasperation of defeat and loss of of- i iice, so far forgot Parliamentary etiquette and ordinary taste as by a coarse simile to sptwk of the anthropomorphous apes, and appiy the comparison to Mr Stafford. Air Richmond was guilty of com paring this]' hit -ihgint gentleman, this ucootnp’ishedl, politician to —I am almost ashamed tv s ivj ;t—a baboon. (Laughter.) Hue have thought that it would not he easy for any man, even in politics, to forget such a ( speech; but Air Stuff..rd forgot and forgave, for be accepted hie’ in his .Ministry, n.i.i I marvel who what feedngs each aiustl] have icgardi’J the tuber. (blear, he..."):, ’■* ns it lu*e oi office, or win;!, th*.t brought!, ibis strange union about? }<ut, if I his be! ; ivnnii’k'io;.' c.innoctiou, viewed in r. per-', sovu! light, wixat can i o said of (he politi-'' cal union of Mr StMtc-rd mnl Mr Vitzlier-j f-ert ? Air Stafford, ,n lending over 1 j speech in January, Id ffi, rauid not faff] coming to inn loli-uc li'ile loor-el rj:-i, pecting the '-.'esaat Cni'jn;,,! i’rcdsu.vr: —! 3lr Fitibuci-' alilin'",':. a vry r!.j■ ss ■ ’ L v. el'-i educated la in, no aiav me p;) b' tiou of ‘1 reav.uvr of tliu ('•>•••::? th.-.j i.a uvM' born yest erday, lie m-nij iwo !’i;■ ■ ; m i, - meats, but so u;' nils' uve wii.e (key, i.ii.il La' syoketo ai.il 'St ill'll.ty lwi• s.f.uoo.ie c liersiaud l.im. Ab.m.-t it;l !i: - byiu■ were wrn.'vj 1 uml in a su’.'.-eipicnt s'lUein'in. sent nr.vu by last: mail, AJr bad o'.uilled la rectify u gross' error. (Annhiuso and laughter.) This was 'hr , .Stafford's decided npioiou then, but v;ha! hajijleiied very soon alter? Why, this, political baby of one day old, (his stout in- , (ant in lone clot lies, Air Stafford accepts asi his bosom friend, liis coiupon;..;! “ ii,i arras” — (ioml cppi-iuso and hugliter) ji uml not only J" a iu wake him Colonial! -Treasurer, for ;'h.'•.•!• office he ms so t-pe-l cialiy unlilied, Ini*' he also s mds him lic-mo; to negotiate I lie li'irncial nrr-i.u yvnenls' 1 arising «vul of the in mt disa;trou:«, as il is* the most inf-nnoas u..Msure tliat lm< l.c-! <.vmc law in .New Ze.aLin.l (he..r, hrw). a measure w.bieli was clurnet.-risnl by Dr] e'cafhcrs'on ry a s’.viu il > amt a fmu-I—l •harg.-s whici. have never ut been ai. ; •wered or eu.ci ssiuhy :vp. lied. (App'.aus )’ llr SlaiiorJ 'hpce.-;t .■? ! .e ate of f.roibr language. a:ul ei.dcMV.o-s to weaken its ef feci iiv dm lari.ig t';a! u isus-d j". ;• Jack of, i irgumcnl ; but i re’',. ~t Inis strong biu-i ;g;i"gc because 1 thi..u it piepeiiv eb.muc-i herisc-i the act (ui’pbriiye), »u : not i’e.;- waul ] , ■ if iirgunieit w'h'h) I s'.a ; , ■> m .ii.! v ; , o-1 ■ luce. (llear. 1 1 c-.r ) Air he Ib.m in !,is| speech sai.l t iat *' if no a■ •!i■ ti i-d.m plceel nmli'r the i’ui-bc !'• bi< Ac; r -m couidry i.- j in precisely tlm s:u;;c pgsiii. ii m i! was j before the net. v.;,; pa-5,..!. ’ hi i:is 1 uitcrh 1 deny. Xim country is irrev-’CaUr f,i<-.'geii. j (Applau-e.) An tk! vni i’-c-invial iff ben-; mres about a jeor ago were un.-rleacle ui* ami sin-ci* tin' j a-.-i g of this Act they neve risen to JMffc. j Air STAiiunu : I am very glad that it l is so. j Mr l.rcKis ; Air f I •: Tv.nl says Tvo is, very glid of iff’s ; and M c nr>e I hr e: edit 1 ■'f the Colony is good, but this one. proves 1 hat it was good before, and what nave! got now, if wo Lavy g o £ anything, is ;>'■ j heavy loss. (Tear, lent-.) Uy the action; !already taken uy i- r Tic Tubh'c Tteots A.c£! pile ffolniiv he 3 imeu totallv rrevculca; 1 ironi uiLing r.dva.it-igc of tbe stem of the! ■n. vket, non i n n inakli.e yi,;ii of t f,,-j ~tnbe!.;ur. s, unlc "a a io.-:s m, in uianv i c-isi-s, over (huffy per cent, to the couutiy.i Air 5?T.\ VFOItl) ; j ; oiv 10-c? ; Mr LvOiCi':: I really lover exnccDvli (that I should e me up here ami be u.- tiff no teach Mr ffn;.;■.■■,! a ](■=<■ m on the sii.i-! IP lest priucipl-s of r di.mal economy ; ! (daughter and appiimw .) L put u to any ’ 1 ’".isiiu'ss rami in ibis brage if i; ■toes not I o ooron'ioa sigige and com- 1 moo priiffho, (ii.-u if you wi.h to purei.as ■; an articie which is worth in the market! only £’/0, and yot before purff.ccing all the current rate, you bind yourself to pay! £■ lOt 1, do you net malic a io s cl over ‘ per cent, bv tho traasactiou ? (Loud a;>-! plause.) This is exact : y vio.; was dene by ; the i’ubh'c iff. b 1 s o', which, bv in o - r.iitioiially gu iranteein g an lulmiKedlvioilrii.r' security, at onco raised it over SO per cool ; in (lie market. (Renewed chives.) Atr' •'••tafford made no mention of one remark-' •■ole piece of financial a.tmiair’t ration,' " iucli was altogt-:! licr uevord . power of ■ .ay Govemnurigullv to off -not. fl’iu Ti.i! was tiie giving yf £iOff.cffJ to Au-.k-. 1 - I'■ u i i'..vmce on Ins own responsibility,' "nd without any apjiropr.a,i-u> or Knoa-; ledge on the put of the Assembly. (Ap- : iTaosC.} It SLiikiS ire if cVt;i : ihviC V.'ffs uj uoccsr.tj for that officer whose, duties Mw S*afibrd has dreiared to be so important — iho Comptroller of lievriiuo—ft was when ac mads ibis unwarrantable misaprcc-pria-tiou oi jiutuic ii.uua. (Ixear.) f.lc hiefford while conveniently omitting notice of th n.gs p.'libis kind, also doc* not (nil to take ail I due credit for v.-gat he iio.sdono, cud somei'iiing ui >;e, t or example, the removal f t, S-9 otheials during bis first, tweedy months 1 ■of oifica, was made to aupenr as if the armv; j of officials had been absolutoly reduced by!

• that number; hs carefully abstained from js-yir.2 anything about how many had been 'replaced—(hear, hear) —and we know very well that a considerable number of these were simply changes of men. and not abo- - lition of offices. (Hear, hear.) There are other subjects I might refer to, but I do not care to take up the time of the meeting any longer, and I thank you for the hearing you have given ms. (Applause.) Mr SiatFOSD. in reply, said: I mil very glad that Mr Luckie has spoken, because it enable? me to refer to subjects which T had thought did net require special refereace ; particularly as I did not desire to occupy too much of the time of the meeting. It was no: a v tv successful reference of Mr Luckie’s—l.hat to native expenditure. I quite agreed with Colonel Russell's speech no 1856, the substance of which, indeed, T knew lu-fore ho delivered it ; and I entirely approved of all he did. The native expenditure before that time had been very great. At one time it had reached to £33,000, i and it has been cut down by the present | .Ministry to £23,000, as Mr Luokie states, j or little more than one third of the previous it-xpc i .1-ituae. Mr Luckie might have seen, jhad he read on in the speech, that Colonel Russell had struck o:f ail these extravagant officials. Mr Lrcrrn : Xo. Mr Stuff,mu ; Well, perhaps Mr Luckio • knows better than I do, although I have j’.ead that speech more than once. (Laugh-;o-r.l 1 .Mr i.rests ; There is £13,000 for offi.cii'.s to spend £IO,UOJ on contingencies. ; WiiO mbs t lillt ? ! iM r M'l'.ut-'Ouu : The natives get a largo p irn.iti of it; and, after the talk of equal b iffi'ts for tiio unlives, and tire necessity of !;h- ir tiffing equally treated, they have a I right to be equally treated now. They pay ! rreater amount to the Customs revenue . t'io>! the whole of this sum together, and dia-y d":ervc some share of \vh-»i they pay, (Applause.) The money goes to pay na(uve ot'dciils, such as those Karoivs, of ; which Mr Luokie knows nothing, but, oliich he might have seen were a hull of native police.non, or messengers, «ho J d, and do, very good service. Xalive a-sc-eors, aiso, are paid out of this fund, iut great uljecdous :.s lie has taken to the expense ; of t in- native management, even Mr Luokie, 1 wit h ail 1 1 is omniscience, cannot hit all the ! biota of the native department (hear, hear), j nor liin-t* caused in other departments by jt.he pM’uliar position of the Govern in out. i There is no Government centre; a large | oortion of '.be Government is not under jibe personal supervision of Ministers, who 'are under the necessity of keeping up delimit meats winch the? never see. Forexi input*, there are mao or ton Registrars of j deeds instead of one in the colony. We j -cqui' c more Judges than would be uecea- ■ sary if the coionv were differently circutnMiuiced geographically; and there are ■unity more officials than would be r, qui”- d ;if our pmhion were similar to that ot \ iciMei.t ; !<.,:■ while Victoria has only three or ! .bur jv,r:.-p h.re in Xe-v /L aland we loom '■ Oitwc-n twenty rod thirty, i’ct tor a i I!hat cur Cu toms e . peuduui e is under that jet Victoria, tor while l!ie letter costs aCout j-ix per cent, of the revenue, ours costs ■•'lily shout live per cent. (Hear, hear.) I Viul yen camml expect to have cheap GoI vori-u:. .it white the people thcnis-dvis, j both i oih.liy and politically, persist is* a | -.- Jr■ r-‘• i -du! 'one ■in luxuries. (Hoar, he ir.; | r'l.r instance, they mustbave posts up every ;i- h.itiiiic.int valley, and if (hey tires opped, 1. complain of injustice wiilioultiuukit' gof wl.iffi such luxuries cost. Thou wo dimv•• a e'.ouhle Government —a General laud ProvincKil Governments, witn tuo .|-,.s g’ - c bided, two Xi-i-nsurcrs, and other 'of leers wliw - one might do. if you must iiiavi* s.ieii expansive representative iusiilullious—.> ~i ;ii use el wavs more cosily thau ■ '■.rv.a'arii; on. s —j. u must pay fur them. (if. 1 ■, iicar.) Mr Luokie takes exception ii o tny hiving written the letter to Mr ! Waul, an 1 y.-£ that very letter sta.ed the iir.t.T.tioi: of lac Government, hi'ii.g that | ~:y p~oh;ninary announcement of the i mcf.'t! measure which air Luckic e • ■'>.- j plained tli.it I had not given by wo; dot. j mouth ; although in addition to that letter, jiu vdiicn it was stated that tao Govern■ment intended to make tho question a •dliniilcri-jl cue. it was also announced in |the speech of mo Governor. My letter to |Mr tim'd was also published, in the pa- . .-ro, inc'u.lir.g tho Xelssa Colonist its-tf, ti.-u- Mr Luckie might not to h:iv..> been iignorant of the intention of the Govern'nun:, (idfftr, iu„r, and applause.) dhen | as regards tit > debentures of the provinces,. I I don’t earn whether a man gives £I()0 or !£7U for my him ired pound acceptance; I |hove to pat the .hioo when it comes due ; hiiid so wiih the provincial debentures: obey had to be met either by tlie Provinces giiemicivi-3 nr the Colony. (" H.-ar, hear,” ■ drora Sir 1). dlor.ro and Mr Wells.) Mr | Luckio referred to my statement respecting 1 the r< ir.oval of otiu-i ils, but he m.su.ider!steed, 1 conceive, what I s,id. j said, I 'think >JiMia*:t : v, that. Sty officer* had le'.t '.lhe service. T nnr number dots not repre•ent Die r.c'mil diminution. I saids, in .ivply, i think, to a question as to wait ' office* I had created, 1 said that only ono ;had been cre-t- d, tiu- Comp.rod. refßevei .me. These fiqmvs do not exactly repre.ye: the actual d.-unct'an of Govermaent '•officers. Among Mat number were about tiOO native officials ,v.;o nave not been replaced. It is perfectly true as Air i uck.o -■au], that the d rovincml debentures were itiisa 1 -able ill the Ul iiket, fxcep at a great sacrffice ; and that they were* quoted winch higher sine ’ tho pissing of the ftPita debts Act; but what i il.ffii is tiled ’ii 3 M'e'Lmy 1.-t? lest tiothing by t!;.; .•im..p.- , > f bccani.r it hr.s only to pay what if had be. u ■'liable for. And if the Vrovinctai bonds uveii u.r a iiisiiicr price in cor.Jtq icucc of

ihs passing of tl» act, so much the better fof those Provinces, as Hawke’s Pay, Taranaki, and Canterbury, which bud, iu round numbers, some half-million of debentures still to sell when the bill was passed. When I wrote to Mr Moorbouse sud to Mr Ward, I knew that Canterbury was in a great difficulty from want of funds $0 carry on her works, owing to the inability ' st the Urns to place her loans in the market s and X hare always thought the Canterbury loans were perfectly justifiable, owing to her means. Her bonds could not Soil in the London market unless at a great sacrifice, nml there wuo an absolute necessity that funds should be forthcoming for Canterbury, otherwise thousands of people would have been out of employment. I therefore wrote to Mr Ward, and, on the strenth of that letter, he succeeded iu selljug the bonds at a good price. Mr Luceie ; It was unconstitutional. Mr Stafford : ' It was doing the same thing that Mr Fox had done in ISS i-, on the faith of which the Otago bonds were sold. Mr Lxtckie : Two wrongs don’t make a right. It was assuming the action of Parliament, and wus unconstitutional. Mr Stafford : Unconstitutional! Mr Luckie said he did not come here to teach me a lessen to political economy ; peril aps he will teach me a lesson in constitutionalism, (Hear, hear, laughter, and cheers.) A Minister may be said to have acted rashly in acting as I did, but I really do not see it can be made out that 1 acted unconstitutionally. I think it was a hold, frank, and manly course: I said, wc propose to do this ; we go to Parliament ou that principle, and we tell the people beforehand of our intentions. (Hear, hear.) I think I have answered all Mr Luckie’s points. Mr Clements :Mr Fitzherbert. (Hear, hear.) Mr Stafford; O, yes. Well, I did and do think that Mr Fitzhei hart’s statement in ISGI was a very great failure. He undertook, after a few hours’ study, to make a financial statement, and it was absolutely unintelligible. I have often joked about it since. But from my subsequent experience of Mr Fitzherbert, I can assure you that he is not only, what he has long been considered, a most sagacious politician, but a very good financier, iu the proper and higher sense of the term, although perhaps he might not add up a column of figures so rapidly us a mere accountant might. In the science of finance, the higher branch, ho is highly accomplished; hut he certainly did make a great mess of figures iu 1864. (Laughter). Mr Luckie, with reference to w/uit Mr Jollie said as to the shareef thoCustoras, was perfectly right in saying that for the action of one Minister tho whole Ministry was responsible. The act of one is fbo act oi tho Cabinet. I have never attempted to refuse the onus of any act of any colleagues. What I said as to daying the Provinces the three-eighths, had reference only to the year of 18 55-66. Mr Jollie’s statement referred lo the next year. He said ho did not seo Ins way to pay so much to tho Provinces next year ; neither did I. it was an honest statement, although the House chose to spake a scapegoat of Mr Jollie. My remark iu Jan, 1866, had reference only to that particular year. Mr Luceie : It was not understood so by the people. (Hear, hear). Mr Stafford (to Mr Luckie) ; How long could I promise it? You don’t suppose I mean it was to go on fur ever ?

Mr Litceie : For ever is rather a long term, but it was believed you meant much more than a year. (Hear, hear). Mr Stafford : I cannot pretend to be responsible for other people’s beliefs or opinions. I am only responsible for my own words. (Hear, bear, and laughter). Mr Aeeestee put a question to Mr Stafford. He said : You say that you have done a great deal tor the Colony, will you tell us of any special good you have done for this Province of which you aro the represents iv o ? Mr Staffoed : I never intended to give siny special advantage to Nelson, because special advantages to one Province can only be given at the of others. (Hear, hear, and applause.) I am a. member of tinColonial Legislature, and am opposed to giving special advantages to any Pror rince at its neighbors’ expense. (Ap plau-e.) Mr, Akeestee : As representative for {his place to which we elected you to do us some good—you surely would not throw us over. Are you simply passive in matters aifteting Nelson ? There was for example the lighthouse on the dandspit,) which is a special advantage to the Colony at large, you might have done something in advancing that. How far is that off, and are we likely to get it ? Mr Staffoed; That lighthouse is provided for, its expense being part of the £260,000 borrowed u-der the Public Hebts Act. Hie plan bas faeea partly in preparation for two years, and we were only wailing foi’ money. (Applause.) In reply to another question by Mr Aeeestee, Mr Staffoed said he had nothing to do with the creation of the old Marine Board, but bad something to with knokeing it cn the head. (Hear, hear.) Mr H. M'Gekqdb asked whether Mr Stafford was prepared to disband the standing army existing under the name of the Armed Constabulary, as it had been shown in the House of Representative? that Taranaki. ihe weakest province, and largely inhabited by natives, was prepared to undertake its own deience. and therefore they were i vt required. (Hear, hear.) Mr £>taffoed said bo was not prepared t<! san:-: the aubanding at present of tbs Arfficd Constabulary. Recent occurrences

had shown that they could be very usefully employed. Mr M ; Ghe&OB j Because during the lata war with the natives part of their action I had been severely animadverted on by the BriU-’i Government: that they committed atrocities in the taking of a pa, givieg no quarter, and mutilating some of the natives. Mr Stafford ; Mr M‘Gregor is wrong. In the first place, tho Armed Constabulary has only been three or four month; in existence, (laughter,) and secondly, the animadversions which lie refers were to with respect to the Defence Forces, which hire been since disbanded, who wero falsely charged ; and Lord Carnarvon afterwards apologized for his accusation, both in despatches, and in his place in tho House of of Lords. (Hear, hear.) After a short pause, Mr Stafford said; If there are no other questions to bo put, I beg to express to you my thanks for the patient hearing you have afforded to my long speech. Let no elector think I wish to shirk any question. If anyone at any time should like to enquire as to any question, let him write to me, and he will get an answer. It often happens that an erroneous opinion which, may have been current; could be set right by ten minutes’ explanation, and I shall always be glad to give such, or any other information I can impart to the electors. Mr Stafford then sat down amidst some applause and disapprobation. A vote of thanks to the Chairman concluded the proceedings, winch lasted nearly threo hours.