“YOU SHUT HIM UP”?

Gisborne Times, Volume LXXIII, Issue 12075, 14 October 1933, Page 5

“YOU SHUT HIM UP”?

HEATED ARGUMENT JN HOUSE

MR. McDOUGALL CRITICISES

GOVERNMENT

MR, LYE’S COMMENT

“YOU OUGHT TO SIT SOMEWHERE ELSE.’*,

(Press Association)

WELLINGTON, Oct. 13

In the course of the debate on th® report of the World Conference, in. the House of Representatives this'afternoon, Mr. McDougall, who still occupies a seat on the Government side of the House, came into conflict with th© Chair, which at the moment was occupied by the Acting-Speaker (Mr. Smith). Ho criticised the Government’s Policy generally until Ml- - reminded him that it was the report of the conference which the House was considering.

Mr- McDougall again referred to the Government’s land settlement schemes.

Mr. Smith for- the. second time instructed him to speak to the report. Mr. McDougall: “I hope vou are not getting hot under the collar”-. Mr. Smith: “Order! Order!”

Mr. McDougall declared that the Government had boon responsible lo- 1 forcing down the standard of living, and added, “I am very sorry that I was one of those who helped to cut down wages and Put 11101 c taxation on the workers. We have had to tax the worker to give him a job. We have been making the poor man poorer and the rich -man richer. I am very sorry I wasn’t kicked °nt of the establishment long ago. I am out now, and I am glad of if.” Ah- Lye (0): “Then vou ought to sit somewhere, else-’’ “I’LL SIT WHERE T LIKE,” Air. McDougall: “I’ll sit where 1 like. I understand that M.r. Speaker has the allotting of scats in this House.” Air. Smith: “Order! Order!” Mr. McDougall (pointing at Air. Lye). “Then you shut him up. He interjects and when I rep by I am called to order.” Mi:. Smith: “Order! Order!” Mr. .McDougall: “f ought to sit somewhere else?' - I ought to he sitting where the Speaker is. I believe I would de hotter than he does.” Air. Smith then called on Air. AleDonga]! to resume his -scat.

air. McDougall again urged TO SHIFT HIS SEAT.

Speaking later in the debate, when Sir C. Statham had resumed tho Chair, Air. Lye said that in common decency Mr. AlcDougall should consider getting into more congenial company. “It seems an extraordinary position that it does not occur to him that his place is somewhere else. I think it is tim© h© considered taking some other seat."' Air. AlcDougnli: "Would it please you if I went up on the roof?” Mr. Lye: “I don’t know whether it would Please mo very much if you fell off the roof.” The Speaker (Sir C. Statham): “Order ! Order 1”

“Rising to a point of order, Air. McDougal! asked, for Mr. Speaker’s opinion on Air. Lye’s statement that he should leave the Government Benches. “I understand Mr. Speaker is the one who allocates the seats in this House. If he says I should move out of this seat, I will bo only too pleased- to do so, but I am uot going to leave this seat for the member of AYaikato or any member of the Alinistry unless it is the desire of Mr. Speaker.” Sir C. Statham said it was not hi.s duty to allocate the seats in the House except, of course, that front Benches on his right were for the Government and those on hi,s left for the Opposition. So far as other scats were concerned he only came into the matter in the event of a. dispute, “If any dispute arises,” said Air. Speaker, “I will certainly decide the matter.”