BILLS IN COMMITTEE.

Dominion, Volume 3, Issue 696, 22 December 1909, Page 9

BILLS IN COMMITTEE.

In Committee on tho'Customs Ditties Bill, Mr. MASSEY, asked ,what r tho Minister expooted to raise by the ne»? duties, especially by the duty on tobacco.' , Mr. 'FOWJ.DS said the amonnt that would have been raised by, a 1 per, cent duty last year was for tobacco, excluding cigars < and cigarettes Mr. MASSEY moved an amsndment to strike out tho word ' tobacco," allowing tho surtax ■till to fall on cigfirs and cigarettes The Prime Minister, Then how are you going to got the lovonue? By doubling the graduated lund ta\? , Jlr Maj>sev Let mo ndviso the hon gentleman to iry it. I don't care a twopenny ticket , about tho graduated land tat. It won't affect iuo in tho slightest, or my supporters or conbtitnenß If a BUI to increase tho graduated land tax is brought down I shall voto on tho Bill on its merits The PRIME MINISTER. I don't suppow snch.a Bill is gomg to be earned Ho added that a, cortpin amount of revenue must be raided His remark about the graduated land tat was not nieaut as a .threat A Promise Reversed. Mr riIASEK (Walatipu) said "though tho amount of duty'was small, it would be put upon tho consumer, and it would bo put on with an addition, becauso tint was tho onlj way it could be put on. The Seddon Governmont had piomisdd to i educe tho duty on tobacco, and many pcoplo had been asking when 1 it vas to be reduced The only answer rtas that' the duty was being increased by the libyal Government x Mr BJ3ERIES (Tnnrahg&> urged thtit nothing vis raoro cortain than that the tax would be put on the conwmoi. „, The Hon T MACKENZIE said he was informed by some large, retail tobacconist! that they were'going 'to ftdverti 1 * that they did not intend to- rnke-tho' pr;ce of tobacco The amondmont was rejected by ii votes to 27 - ,' ' . Referring to-> tho last- clause, which said that .the Act *as not'to affect the reciprocal treaty with &uth Africa, Mr MASSEY asiodiwhixt the duty would be on tobacco from South Africa He objected to treaties which gave advantages to a colony that wore not given to Great Britain, which took most of our pioducts Tho PEIME MINISTER said it would bo a good thing to hue preferential treaties with Canada and* ,t Mr. WRIGHT (S\ dlincton South) moved a no* clause as follows -"Notwithstanding any. thins to the afliitrary in this Act, it shall bo lawful to grant drawback of duty on all supplies required by oversea merchants, naval or 'able \fssels" ) ' Mr IOWLDS said he agreed with the pnnsiplo of, ,fhe clause, but the matter was too somphcWd to be, dealt wjth off-hand ITo would jbiing down au amendment to provide for this',nnd other points nest session. Tho motion was lost on tho voices *'- / ' Old Age Portions ( t Iri*jC<Smmittee on tho Old Age Pensions Bill, Mr. MASSEY espre&ed doubts whether the ' Bill,' with the schedule that had been read, Tfoiild have tho "effect intended Without the schedule lift was doubtful if anyone could understand the Bill . The" PRIME MINfSTER declared that the Bill "wrs effective. Hβ found on inquiry that it ■nould not be desirable to print the table with tile Bill. He, would send copies to all penS 'IIr. S MASSEY asked tho Prime Minister if liq 'would favourably consider an amendment of the Act in the direction suggested by Mr Bollard ' Tho PEIME MINISTER thought the proper time to'look into it would bo ill connection with the National Annuities Bill next 3 ear.

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, DISCUSSION IN COMMITTEE. Tho PEIIIE MINISTER Mthd'row, in Committee, clauses 25, 26, and 27 of tho Defence Bill, with the object of providing that both th- hftbilibcs and assets of volunteer companies should remain with the corps An amendment was moved by the Prime Minister providing that youths-who, on attaining the age oi 18 years, were attending a secondary school, should remain in the senior cadets*until thoy left tho school instead of pacing into tho general training section Tho amendment was agreed to Mr. .ALLEN (Bruce) moved an amendment to clause 41, which states that the training of. a senior cadet sha 1 continue till his 18t"i year, to add the folloning words "or until La ceases to attend the secondary school whichever « the latei" Without this amendment Mr Allen was afraid the clause would override the One prouously amended The amendment not. rejected by 38 votes to 30 ~ Mr /r B TAYLQK (Christchutch North) moved to Kduco the six Whole day drills a year prescribed for senior cadets to four, owing to the full syllnbns m the secondary schools Mr TAYLOR spoke at considerable length on the amendment Mr HOGG, in supporting the amendment, aUo talked diffusely Mr MtAEEN, i third opponent of compulsory training ih the House, added hid contnVfofpEntE MINISTEtt stated that the Bill nould bo passed if It was necessary to sit all niKht Mr. HOGQ continued th« Iriiwpilar debate, end his attention i\ m drawn by tho Chairman to tho Rtmulin" Order dealing with unnecessary lepotitioqs, Mr How said he did not \j-nh to obitrhct tho Bill for a moment, but thi« was, 6ulj the.'beginning of a larger Ichenie ■ . . , The motion was rejoctidby 05 votes to 3.

; Mr, TAYLOR than moved that tbo maximum number of '.half-day drills bo '.reduced from, 12 to ■6. Hβ protested. against putting: tho weight or the compulsory'training scheme upon tho children, and: penalising ■'. their. sport and timea without oven consulting then , parents and guardlanjt.' ?.■.>';;!•;U ' "-i:-\ :7.Y" : -v:.. ■; --''■". 0 ' .^;':.-, f fhe amendment was; Tejeoted by 61' votes ■tti-'i.':':-". ■' ■ ■'■'.■■ ■:.■..■•"' ■■■■■■•' ■'■ •■•••■■'■•■■ ■'-.■■:■ "' ':-.'■ .>Mr. ifLMEN■moved■ that.the• provision' for 21 night drills for senior, cadotsunder thesamo .olausebo deleted,' Tho.night drills would intorfere with teohnical olasses. '-." :'■■-..■■ : y The ; amendment' was negatived: by 54 votes to'.S.^.-'--'.. 1 -:-'.-'--". .^.-r-i':-. - - ■'■■■ ;■ ■' ..'■■ •■;;■./,• -■'.. I.': Mr.TAYLOR then moved !to'delete -the 1 pro; vision that all persons liable to'be trained in the senior oadots should;be organised in riiili.tary units, and allotted.to tho defence forces in '■• each; district. ,V ' .. ■' . ■ ' ■ ■ ■The amendment was thrown out by 59 votes :to 3. ■;■.-' •■ ■•■-. ■ ,■-.■ ' •■ "-:■ .'. ■■.- .- /. . ;Mr. TAYLOR next l moved to reduce the 14 training days in the general training camps, artillery and engineer branches, to seven. This .was.rejected by.47.;v0te5.t0.;3. ;"y:/ -'; • ■■':■■ ')■ "'' : Aii amendment by MiV'Taylbr'to'.reduce; the number of half days for other branches froni :12.t0: six waslost .by.s4to 3.. , '';: v.:-;: '... " Whon ; the clauses'relating , to- offonccs'wero under consideration, ' ..i .;-',■■.■.,,. Mr. POLAND (OhinomuH) asked;if a fine of .sCS,-disfranchisement:and discharge from. Goyi .eminent employment. were the. only, penalties/ .which w'fihld be imposed'if ;n. man. refused.'to. undergo : training.: ,l, ■:' ':■ ■• '■■'-'' : -\; '.. "■'■■ ■:-n' '''. -'-.' 'v.Tho PRIME MINISTER "renlied . that ..that ,was considered tho most '.(suitable. , -form, of punishment: '.'•'.•.:■: : '.'.•■ A"'■;;■/ ■:<}-'': ■■■'.". ■■'■■■■ Mr. WRIGHT, moved an.amendment ta the effect that-tho introduction of liquor into camps. ■ Vflth .'or^Tvithout..the' consent. of .tho in dhargo be. forbidden/.... /:' ■'' ; ;;' '.. .•■This, was- carried- ; by ■' 80. > votes to ;22.\ ' : : x ...An amendment by. Jlr^',Wright that no encampment' should .be held -within at -least.five miles.-of/any qbar,: brewery, l or storo licensed to soli: liquor; ;; -, : '. '• : -.~.,\'. Committee; staged of-' : -the : Bill was ■ fiiiishod.:" ■-.-' :-yK-~ : ;-/-.;.: '■,': ■', W.Thb,'PRIME; MINISTER; said.ns/far;as : ho Imew.-.the -Honso would .only sit .one : more ■ ■.■,'-.; :..:.-■■. -■■!-..■ ;;:■....-.■ '.- : - :;" :.:r:;;uU'-;.. ; :-Vtteft.sitting.);.;:}..;; ;_;;;■ :.:;v