FOOTBALL.

Dominion, Volume 1, Issue 228, 19 June 1908, Page 9

FOOTBALL.

NEW ZEALAND RUCEY UNION. MEETING OF.MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE. . Tlio Management. C&miliitteo bf the New Zealand Sugby Uhibn iubt last night, Mr. G.;Dlxoh-presiding. Tho Refeleas' Association, through the Wellington Rugby . U'liion,' requested thit passes be issued to its members in connection - with the : inter-lslahd match. A list of &ixty-si£ iictiyo fbforees was "supplied. The request was acceded to. Tlio Buller Union, claimed that the expenses of its players in tho match prior to the coiitest Britishers v. Biiller ami West Coast .should-come out of the "gate" of tho big match; It was resolved that half tho expenses bo Voted. Tho match, it was hold, was tho annual representative match. Messrs. ' Qallshei 1 (Auckland) and Harris (Dunediri) intimated that they would bo unable to assist iii the' sele&tion of tho team to represent New Zealand in' tlio seCbiid "test' match. Mr, Cavanngh (of Dubetlin), who had been asked, to fill one of the vacancies, wroto accepting the position. Mr. A. Humphries (of New Plymouth) regretted that ho Was ; unable to fill the other vacancy. It was decided; to ask Dr. F. Murray, of Auckland, to act.. . -

The intimated, that at its annual meeting Of delegates it was decided, that'tho qu'estibh bf. the. appoiiitment of referees should lie'left to the Management Committee. The qtiostibh. had nowarisen tt3 td.whether ail affiliated club could refuse tb play .under, a referee appointed. It Was ,a momentous mattef, as- siinilar trouble had arisen last year on'the samo subject. The club claimed that the re- ■ feree shonld •be mutually agreed upon. It was, decided that, if thb rules provide • that tho i'ofetefe should be mutually agreed ilpoh, thb Union must abide by ( thcm. " Tho Auckland Union wrote with referenco to the erection of extra stand accommodation. It made tho following alternative proposals That tlio : cost (£1000) bo paid as followsN.Z.R.tJ., '£o0I); Auckland Union, £350; Tramway Co., £150, jn which eveilt the pfofits would bo shared as follows Zealand Union, 60 per cent.; Auckland Union, 35 per cent.; Tramway Company. 15 per cent; (2). that the Auckland Union Will accept the whole of the liability with the Tramway Company, aiid tako the • proceeds. It was resolved thit tile; Second proposal bo agreed ti. '' ; Tho Southland Uhibn wrote statihg that, although it Ultimatelj;' fell in with thb arrahgeiflent in' cohnt-ction Vrith the appoi'ntjnent of Mr,.' J. Duncan, 'bf Duhedin, as referee for tho - match Britain v.' Southland simply to save unpleasantness, it objected to thb modo of appointment.- tho personal element did nbt enter into the matter. What the Union understood'was that tho New Zealand Rugby Union appointed tho referee without receiving suggestions from either side: henco it had not sent in any names until it rfcebived a wire on the subject. It ■ was resolved that the secretary should write explaining the circumstances. Tho Hawko's Bny .Union forwarded copy of resolution from the New Zealand Referees' Association recommending the payment of expenses of refereos in foreign" matches by 'homo" unions. In tho opinion bf tho committee, the thin edge of the cash business appeared in tho proposal. Thoy would Jiko an expression of opuiibli on tho question. It was agreed that the Union be in» formed of the .communications that had' passed between the New Zealand Union and the New Zealand Referees' Association, and that its attention be drawn, to rules 3 and 43 of the New Zealand Union. Tho effect of tho arrangement was that -the expenses were fixed as agreed upon as "reasonable expenses." The 'decision, however, was binding only in cases of referees appointed by p the New Zealand Union. / A letter was received through the., Auckland Union from tho >Rotorua , sub-Union. The writers . keenly regretted tho action. of the Now Zealand/Union -in-delegating tlio management} of the Native . match against the Britishers'to an''outside body, in preference to them. A match with tho Rotorua Natifb team "Would be more ■ satisfactory, both from a spectacular and finaifol stands point. Then, again, their team \ferald havo more -Combination that a team lomprising players from all parts of the Dominion, ana the expenses .would be practically nil. The action of the New Zealand Rugby Union would havo a far-reaching effect on local Nativo football, and was to be regretted, especially in view of the recent professional movement. . Olio of tho members of'.the Commit-t-eo pointed out that it would be hardly fair to the Britishers if they we.-o reguired to play a hard matoh between tho "Auckland match and the third " test" match. Tho match was purely a sentimental ono. It was, resolved that the ' secretary and treasurer be instructed to reply explaining the position. The sub-committee appointed to report on the allocation of tho fund for tho cnapuragcrnent of schools' football recommended that tho vote be distributed as follows: —Poverty Bay, £10; Hawkc's Bay,"£ls; Bush Districts, £9; Taranaki,. £15; .Wanganui. £14; Maiiawatu, £12; Horowhenua, £9; Wairarapa, £12; Nelson,. £10; 'Marlborough, £10; Buller. £13; West Coast, £13; Canterbury, £13; South Canterbury, £13;' Southland, £15, and Wellington, £15.' The recommendation was adopted. ' • ■ THE SECOND "TEST" MATCH. , PRICES OF ADMISSION FIXED. The question of tho charges for admission' in connection with tho second test' match evoked a lengthy discussion.-' Mr. J. Laughton moved- that tho pricos be 55., 35., and Is.' . -..Mr. R. M. Isaacs seconded' the motion. Mr. Galbraith: Have you any reasons to , Bubmit in support of those bharges ? Mr. Isaacs: I havo not seen any reason to change my mind .since Ladvocatcd, and voted for, those charges in. conncction with the first test. Mr. Kelly thought that tho minimum charge should bo not less than 2s, The expenses of tho tour "would be larger than had at first boon anticipated,. Mr. Galbraith held that the tour should bo Belf-supportiiu;. At first' it had been estimated that tho. tour / would cost £7000, but the expense of providing, extra seating accommodation (which would amount to another £1000) had" been accidentally omitted, although tho profits in connection therewith had been taken into account. Up to tho South Canterbury match tho receipts were £400 behind. Tho not receipts for tho Canterbury match .would exceed the amount anticipated by about £100,' A majority of tho remaining matches, would not yield their.full ■ quota towards the cost of .the tour. It would not do to look'to the matches in Australia to mako up any defioit -whioh might ariso in connection with the tour, in Now Zealand The charges, for .the first.' test had uu 3S ''- an ? , 2s -< and • those i should bo the prices for the remaining tests. The fact' that the New Zealand Ru"by union now had,.a substantial-credit balance was no reason why tho tour should not bo .self-supporting.. It had to be home i« mind that the expenditure for the vear equalled—in fact, , was slightly- greater than --the receipts. To/a great extent tho Union bad to rely on tho inter-Island match to balance tho accounts. ' .Mr. Isaacs: Would tho reduction of the minimum chargo for tho remaining tests make all the. cliffcronce in connection with tho tonr?/ Mr. Galbraith: Yes; it would mean £1500. Tho Chairman, at this stage, mentionedthe fact that there would be two matches— the inter-Island contest and the sccond test —in Wellington in tho samo week.. Mr. Laughton : That i 3 ono of tho strongest arguments in favour of tho prices being 55., 35., and Is.'' Mr. Galbraith: I' don't believe that.- the fact that tho two matches are being held tho same week will mako a difference of 500 people. Ccnsidorablo interest-is being manifested in tho test match in Woodvillc, Wanganui, Nelson, Marlborough, and other places. There will bo a large number of visitors from a considerable distance. I shall Ik> surprised if the attendance totals less than 20,000.

Tlje Chairman: I think tlio estimate is on the big side. As a ro.siiH; of the htufiber of matches in Australia being increased thb profits 011 the Australian tour may bo reduced considerably. Other members held an opposite view. Mr. Galbraith moved, as an. ameiidmont, that tho charges be 55., 35., and 2s. Mr. Wylio seconded tho amondiuent. . On a vote being taken, the amendment, \tfiich was supported by Messrs. Galbraith, Kolly, Wallbui'tbii, and Wylio, was carried. fiUGBY TEAMS, v The following will represent St. John's t-o» (borrow:—Third-class v. Wellington College: Saxon-, .Muldoon, Elliffe, Daly, Redgrave, Dyett, Andrew, BortiiishiVw, "Watson, Noedlj Jackson, Findlay, Coad, Martin, Smith. Foiirth-ciass v. Epuni, at Epuni • Brain, Meiiiird, Ci\i\vfofd, Duske, Reid, Ryan, Melody, Andrew,. M'Kay (2), Meal's, Alexander, Pino, .Stalfdrd,. Lynch, Riggs. Emergencies—M'Morran, Bradley. Tho following will rbpresoht the Southerns in the Senior fixture against Woliiigto'n, to lio played at tlio Athletic Park:—Mitchell, Condliffo, Gollan, Pope, Norris, Organ, O'Flalierty, J. H. Campbell, Houlihan, Chcesemnn. J. W. Campbell (captain), Templeton, Hale, Murray, and Chiriisido. USE OF. BASIN RESERVE. At a meeting of tlio City Council last evening, tlio Baths, and City Reserves Committee recommended: "That the request of the Wellington League of Australian Football to iiso tlio Basin Resei've on July 4 for a representative match, even should tlio ground bo iri a wet condition, bo hot granted, but tho Superintendent of Reserves bo instructed to use his discretion in favour of the Leaguo, and if the nature of tho play causes more : than ordinary damage, • the .ground to bo put in order at the expense of the, Leagued ,-®he recommeffiSation was adopted. , TARANAKI TEAM. (BY TELECnArH.—PME3 ASSOCIATION.) New Plymouth, June 18. Tho Taranaki representative Rugby team to meet Wanganui in July arc:—Full-back) Hardgraves; three-qital'ters, Dive, Cameron, and C. Sheehaii; five-eighths, Hunter and Mynot't; half-back, Coleman'; wing forward, C. Sheehaii'; forw.ii'ds, Whittiiigt'bni Moffatt, s'Suilivan, Smith, Mackay, Sullivan, and Crowley.. HOW PROFESSIONALISM PAYS. . MOKE MEN FOR HOME. (bv teLeghAm.'—bpecial correspondent). : ■ Dunedln, Juno IS. ' Serb are ohe or two hew items in tlio talk that W. Johnston, tho All Black forward, had with a reporter, this morning. He said that lie had signed on at a bi« retainer to play for Wigan next season, and that he will return to England early inSeptember. Besides the retainer, he will receive 10s. for a will and ss. for a losn, with two matches a week, alid he will lie given' employcielit at tho same wage as ho v,-fluid reteivo here. ' George Smith got tiso for eleven matches to play for Oldham, and j Todd signs on for £400 to 'captain Wigan | the next season. Wrigley also returns to England in a few weeks to play for Runcorn, also at a retainer of £400, with ncrk as a plumber at £2 12s. a week. Tho Mew Zealand tour to England is -being talked of, and Johnston would not bo surprised to see a team leavo here the season after next. WAIRARAPA GAMES. (BY TELEGRAPH.-SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT). , Foatherston, Juno 18. Carterton Rovors and Featherston Liberals played a drawn game here to-day in the Thursday championship. There was no scoro, and tho gamo throughout was fairly even, but the ground was heavy. Mr. R. Crawley was a capable, referee. - i / Rotors and Albion Junior's played a drawn gamo'at Carterton, no Wo being made. -. ■■■• - f ./ •.ASSOCIATION FOOTBALL.' THE PROPOSED ENGLISH TOUR. DISCUSSED BY THE NEW ZEALAND ' . COUNCIL. . A meeting of tho Council of tho New Zealand Football Association, was held in tho ' Y.M.C.A. Rooms last evening. There were present:-Messrs. G. F. Brodio (in tho chair), A. Williams, L: White, W. Auld, 11. M'Kay, G. Uren, M. Oilier, A. Dickson, C. Martin, F.' J. Courtenay, J. J. Roberts, and B. L. Salmon (hon. sec.) ' . Tho principal business was consideration of tho letter, previously published, in which the following offer was. made lam prepared to finance your union to tho extent of allowing you to send to England in tho season 1909, say twenty-twb 'of the best ovailablo New Zealand Association football players, to compete in (say thirty) matches with second leaguo clubs there. \ will tako all tho- risks, and meet, if necessary, any deficit in said'tour." Tho writer requiring in return the whole of tho team's share of tho gato money, less a percentage to bo agreed upon. At the request of the Council tho namo of the writer is not divulged. At tho same time it may bo stated that ho is a Taranaki player resident -in Hawera, who is at present on his way to England, and a man -in a position to carry out tlio scheme if it were sanctioned by tho Council.

Sir. Salmon remarked that it would cost £2GOO for fares, and the question of payment to members would have to- bo considered, say 3s a day.

The Auckland Union wrote stating that it had considered tho quostioil, and looked npon tho suggestion very favourably, and hoped the Council vrould do its best to further the proposition. Tho Chairman thought New Zealand football was .hardly strong onough to warrant pending a team to England with any hope of succoss. v Air. TJren thought tho wholo question was whether' New Zealand football had advanced far enough to meet tho second grade Homo team's. Personally ho considered tho gamo had advanced as far as it could' in Now Zealand, and could not go ahead until a tour something on the lines suggested was undertaken. Tho Now Zealand Council had practically nothing to lose except their reputation, but against this they had to consider tho good tho tour would do to tho gamo ill the Dominion. They had tried to get an English team out liero without success, and ho would bo sorry to seo the present suggestion passed over. After F.omo discussion as to tho class of team a Now Zealand team could meet, Mr. Roberts remarked that ho considered it was tho duty of tho Now Zealand Council to get a team out from England and not to send a team Home. Tho Chairman: That is my opinion. ■ Continuing, Mr. Roberts snid, with one or two exceptions,- a Now Zealand team that might bo sent Home would not include a man higher than fifth "class at Homo. Twenty-two of tho finest players in Now Zealand would not bo ablo to touch fourthclass form at Home. Tho speaker was positive that tho intending backer of tho team, as soon as ho saw English football, would bo the first to write out and say not to send the team Home. Mr. A. E. Gibbs, mi old Wellington enthusiast, when in Now Zealand used to a strong advocato of sending a team Homo, l/iit since ho had been in England and seen tho game there lie had written to him (tho speaker), and hud admitted that ho was afraid a Now Zealand team would cut a vorv sorry figure at Home. Tho class of English player who came out to Now Zealand Vas not a great deal bettor than tho averago Now Zoalnnder. Tho best of tho men and those with any, promise would not como out here. Even if New Zealand could send Homo a team that could give the second grade teams a run, ho would still l>o against it, us tempting baits would bo put before any exceptional men, and New Zealand would probably loso its_ most' promising players. The tour of tho New Zealand Rugby professionals was. an instanco. He urged 'that tho efforts of tho Council should ho directed to getting a team out to Now Zealand. Ho would bo one of tho first to assist sending a team to England if they could send a com-

bination which would give a good exhibition against the sncond grade teams, and, provided thoy could get all their nieii back. In a'nswcl- to a question, •Mh Roberts stated ho thought it would be possible to play amatoiir teams At Home, but he cbiild hot say whit 'the strength of the amateur clubs was. The gates.at thtso matches would hot bo mol-e than 1500 to 2000. , Mr. Oilier did not.think tho game as played m New Zbalahd would be in the samo class is second grade teams at Home. He had played for aii a'matelir team at Home,. and was quite certain they wftro a long way ahead of Now Zealand fohh. Rome of tho 'amateurs' could put up big games agaihist the Leaguo teams.; Mr. White thought a team well trained beforo they left must improve a great deal, but whether their combination would be such as to stand agailist English play he could not say. He did not think there would bo any danger of any of the Now. Zealand mfeji staying in England. Somo of the New Zealand Associations had favoured this Scheme, and the Council should give the proposal careful Consideration. Mr. Martin was against the scheme. When tho men came back they would bo distributed in. two's and threes all over tho colony, and would hot benefit tho game. Mr. Dickson was. in favour of the . proposal, and thought the team should go Homo for experience sake. Mr. M'Kay thought that if a team did go Home and'put up a fair showing we would have a better chance of getting an English team out to New Zealand. Mr. Salmon considered it would be an unwise thing to send a team Home to get badly beaten, as lie was sure it would bo from conversations ho had had with English players. Ho whs in favour of getting an English team but here. The.V had no real test of how Now Zealand football had improved of late ydars. Mr. Courtenay said he would like to see a tealii go Hohlb, but it must gb Homo Under tho very best auspices. The present scheino had como on tho Council suddfelilyy and he Vras so'rrjr the Council had hbt had ah bppbrt'liiiity bf. discussing the matter with thb proinotef before lib left for Lonribli. He (the speaker) took it that the lotter meant, that New .Zealand must.Solid a team rapablo of meeting secoh'd gr&db playferS at Homo, and lie did not think this could .be done, Ho suggested that the Council, (should .refer the promoter bf the scheme to Mr. Gibbs on the arrival of tho former in England. Tho matter could be gone.into by the two, aiid this would leave tho door open for further negotiations. As to getting an English team this had been tried before, but the season hero clashing with tho beginning of the English season was against it. . _ i The chairman said the gentleman who had proposed the scheme ho doubt had the idea bf giving, tho p,ame a mighty shove oil in New Zealand, but in the. speaker's opinion the better scheme would be to get an English team to come out and fellow what tlio Association game really is. After soma discussion, it . was debided to Write to the promoter of the scheme informing him of the relation bf Mr. .Gibbs to the Now Zoaland Council, and asking him to get into touch with Mr. Gibbs, the Coiincil preferring that,-before closing with tlib offer. If after tho 'Conference he was still, prepared to continuo negotiations, the Council would he glad to receive them.. OTHER BUSINESS.

It was decided, on the recommendation of tlio Otago Union, to removo thfe disqualification imposed upon tho Green Island team. Tho secretary of tho Taranaki Union wrote to the effect that tho rraino Was making great strides in the district, i ten teams having entered for tho competition, this season. It was resolved to play the Brown, Shield competition at Dunedin on September 0 and 12. A letter was read from, a player who is touring tho North Island. stating that tho game is going ahead in'Hawke's Bay, and that tliero is a possibility of Hawko's Bay being induced to enter a, team for tho Brown Shield. It was resolved to endeavour to get the Hawker's Bay Association to affiliate. Mr. Roberts stated that ho would be visiting Napier on Saturday, and had arranged to have a conference witli somo local enthusiasts. ASSOCIATION TEAMS. The following teains have been ,selected to play for tho various' clubs to-mori;ow :— Senior Leaguer—First Division. Diamonds'v. Y.M>C>A.| at Basin Reserve. —Diamonds teani—Fitzgerald, W! Roberts, Barnett, Thorleyj Taylor, D. Roberts, .Hathaway, Duffy, A. Lowe, Hodges,. Reddy. Y.M.C.A. team—Goftoii, Chapman, Walton, N. Irvine, Snow, R. Gihson, Forbes, Tim-' p'erley> W. Gibson, ..Croft;'.reserve, T., Irvine. Swifts v. Petone, at Potono (2.10 p.m. train).—-Swifts —Jamieson, Pye-Smith, Elson, Graves, Whito, Tempest, Scott, Rogers, Alexander, Renfrew, Oilier. Rovers v. Ramblers, at Newtown Park.— Rovors—Penlington, Martin, Duignan, Bethell, Barnett, O'Sliea, Casbman, Barry, Inns, C. O'Shea, Martin. Ramblors —Oldnail, Edwards, M'Laren, Cbw&rd, Ballingall, Jackson, Sanders, Smallbone, Anker, Mouat, Waters. Wanderers v. Thistle, at Miramar.—Thistle's team—Rowan, M'Ardlo, Saul, M'Lellan, Galbraith, Birss, Nalighton, Duncan, Hall! Findlay,' Blackwood; reserves, Cummins, A. M'Millan, Haining, Lawrie. Wanderers v. Thistle.—Wanderers: Irvino; Taylor and Jardino; Bruce, Perks, and M'lnhis; Davidson, Baxter, Reid, Ash, and Gwilliam; reserve, Fleming. Senior League—Second Division. Swifts r. St. John's, No. 2 Miramar St.uth. —Swifts—Byi-no, Wilson, Grant, Guise, Churchward, Kcrschberg, M'Leau, Dean, Pye-Smith, Hayward, Paterson. Rovers v. Porirua, at Porirua.—Rovers— Dawson, Turnbull, Wcstwood, ICirkwood, King, Sauvarin, Josophs, Clement-3, Valentino, Gabriel, Robinson, Bowie.' • ■ . Tho following is the Letter Carriers toam against Ramblers at Miramar on Saturday— Miller, Bell, Roulston, Norris, Quilter,'Hamjcer, Warrington, Patterson,' Bowles, Shorter, Ryan; reserves, Etching and Barclay. Y.M.C.A. v. St. John's A.—Y.M.C.A. team —Goal, Baker; backs, Austin and Peterkin; halves, Bowmaker, Forge; ond Elford; forwards, Backestaif, Kirkby, Kingwell, Self, and Hodge. Wanderers v. ' Mental- Hospital.—Wnntlorors: Webster; Holt- and Hart; Holland, Barker, and Hatcher; Taylor, Pickering, Ritchie, Hunter, and & Heather; reserves, Dalzell, Robertson, and A. Holland. Junior League Matches. • Y.M.C.A. v. Kaiwarra.—Y.M.C.A: Milne, Con to, Chancy, Wilson, Pritchard; Warne, Yvilkins, Scambury, Bailey, Reed, Phillips. Swifts v. Diamonds. —Swifts team—Lowe, Walsh," Swinburne, Fitzgerald (2), Cornfcot, Adam's, Coleman, Janson, Makin, Byrne, Bowie, Underwood, Swindale. Swifts v. Y.M.C.A.. ■ B. —Swifts teamJohnston, O'Neill, Rollins, Murphy, Devlin, Coulls, Carruthers, Foots, Black, Overend, Coleman, Williamson. Swifts Fifth League,team is as.follows:— Newton, Donaldson, Mackay, U. Galvin, P. Galvin, J. Fernandez, S. Luxton, Shields, Kutner, Fox, Westbrook; reserves, Gould and Humphries. AUSTRALIAN GAME. To-morrow afternoon tho City and Wellington teams will try conclusions on the Basin Reserve. Each club will be strongly represented, and n fine game is anticipated. Players are asked'to be on tlio ground at 2.30 p.m. sharp. Tho box plan in connection with tlio second "test" match between Now Zealand and tho Britishers will bo opened at Armit's on Monday morning.'

Messrs. Dalgety mi(l Cn., Ltd., advertise a list of entries for. their Levin stock stile, to bo hold at 11.H0 a.m. on Friday, Juno 2G. Messrs. Barr, Leary, and Williams, Feathers, ton Street, lulvertiso two spccial properties for sale, one bfiinß near WaipuUuriut and the other six milos from Palmerston North. The next of tho series of Public Library lectures will ba given l>v Dr. Mason, Chief Health Officer for New Zealand, on Monday next, at 8 p.m., in-tlio Contort, Ilall. It will be entitled "Some Facts about. Milk," and will be illustrated with lantern slides.