Sir Geo. Grey at Auckland.

Clutha Leader, Volume II, Issue 73, 2 December 1875, Page 5

Sir Geo . Grey at Auckland.

i •,, ■'- ,„- . V .^A. — *~~ : — ; -""A • AAbpufc" a * f.ho'usan'd- persons ; were nrestent' at 'tHe ! ChbraV ITall'-fo'-he'Ar- Sir Gr^bro'e Grey's 'sipeecb., i; on Monday ;e'vehibo;," On the motion -qf; Mr'-Swansoti^ Mr : rlbbert i;l Gi , ahaM'b- ;; tb , bk- tbe' chair. ' NehiTv'.all : fh ; e J lea.di'fig''men ; bf thecity and '.many Maori* ; 6hiefs ; /weVe bii 7 the . !>littnlrm. ;. ; ;' ■•'' ''"':■■[ ''"A, i: ; A 'A | " Sir .George G rqy ' was recei ved ; %kli 'd'eafetiin^VfeliPer^'^Sll'/'sfahHiiigj -> 'In v tiii oppriin r g : remarks' lYe ; referred to the . 'birc'umgtande : 'ivl iibh :r "-brihgs;-' him but, "ahd ''gaid'f\t "the" pnWbt state" of" afftiirs no rtiari sHpuU^efuse'Ab^db 1 his ; 'duty. Tie thanked thebonititripnby 7 fbr- plac- ' ing hinAih : a position' AbF indi^pftndency by TeaVin^ hfm ; ' whwlly^ pnfetteredA'arid he. sni<4"coiificle.ELtl^'. nb'Tmfth "had ever Aisif'ed^hvm'for a'; sin'gle'fatfbf A^H'eApaid •' lie ' -'Tciife , ysrA" , t"hift ! A'tli^^AA ss'erh blj= "■l'n« v w-bißb - 4iick Ia n d ! ) wa s ' ; i m jiferf eb'tly' * *epr es en te d Mih i 3 l ' I ye : s6lyed : / / ! to ? chittfsbi ; the- T freed'oro . I thp!y ! en]bvedAqf-teleb;ting : their 6wh^adt r rn"ri)sfrijtbrßi^ arid .under : VhiclA thk' MVmsLti'yv/wi'thbu't Areferehee 7 n'oinih'ate * ; any 'i)H,e ? tiie'v . 'I'liey * ''determined A to ! Htf t;]i a t' "^^ i t }i r o tf H j fei Virt tlb a f>p.t> itfe ;^a q 1 Wfvjfbi^nnttjr/pP^x^HS^ b r g" *th'Mf r He ; chnf^ct'ei-ise'd tft>\la r itibn s h^icrinie 'Alia"*" cri ih.l f '''h.2 , lFiin¥t : f'th% -,> whole'- :h« mViri , -'^^c— for itAvhls an^AhnbvatibnifindJ-'hA fa-iter* Bm'igH tgvtd ' liM^r WS^iaMi^^ afVSrA * an'6srt>g jslf*'itlrj - i! ot «lar e'^ei^in t£hf iim> Jw^sbpftorf-: 'kv&li a n>, &bMtrbn'g Waetl^a^iia'gttiCwliiblr Assembly had no^pcK^rJ'tp^^^^^^'l

-( f a, f ew* deter m fried* ms6s!w.ou ld A',js.tan d j "bv'hifioi 1 i& e ch a n ge^-shbutd t in.ot . ;lalf h| place. .Through the efforts of.teanA 5 noble ineti^thbj' peopj&i bad Asecuredl to j thgm .' $ie 7 Kgh't^bf 7 determining: ytheir { future. IHe f said he ' ha d : hot H^arß^ one I good argtimftnfin favor 'of abblisliiug-j .institutions , -which .. affiirded „the rn,v*st.| perfect .system. ;pf ;:> jeprefentatibn ; and { government of the people. 'He'' spoke; at some r length' on. thb.slow but - steady ' 'development ' ofn.-fr.eei;institutions. ; /*, It , was impossible to compare. the circum A : starices' r ofthe 'colony; t"o thofce' of Great Britain.' v THe governor coiild Atiot be compared to the Queen.- Then.'what : here,di,taVy aristocracy r h a"d : they ' here : tofcrrn an Upper Hbtise'? (Loud chperinjr and iderisiVe laugh ter..), ; they -suppose for a . mothent ..that Aj.FA.it r . Was left to the people of England rio'wt.6 set • up: an' tPpper- House,,, that /.they , would constitute such an Upperhouse, ; and pay them as they were asked to do: at present I*' There was "a. : sort \ of; equality a mong the people^ of Ne"\v\ Zealand which he was glad to see* and the rich -man married the poor man's daughter; :TJ either he noAslieAwas, " looked doWiipmr jAbut'-if they^ were ( to setup an aristocracy here r f the ; mass , of. the people must, think .vvhatL service; had any class of people , here rendered ; : that the VLshoiild be raised up abpve their fellow men. .He compared the of scrutiny to which; tlie pro^ ceedins's bf Parliament in /Britain were subjected with the way the Government wns' carried oh- here.- L Many things that. wp re; done 'were' unknown to the 7 people for months,'. Evbn tele* Warns were 'filtered by the Government: ..Recited its an instaacG of unjustifiable , procedure, the Act indemnifying,.memhpfs of the Legislature ■> from .proceedings wbtah might be. brought; against them for breaking the law.. : No ( report of the discussion.in Committee on that, Bill appeared iii Hansard. The Bill, .set? out ; hy stating tint .thje.Act. whs to indemnify certain * members, but tlie ,Act actually indemniSed r ,the r , \y { hole„ of the Assembly. ; W.aSiSuch'a thing'; ever i that a dying: Parliament .sltould take such steps to protect themselves ; from' the operations bf W?< He -suggested in committee that the namesL of phose. indemnified should be set out,: 'hit it was rejected. There wefe_mahy ! of them, and' they did pot wish to hold .thahiup^to-.obliquy;.- What constituted; 'the grounds,.. of 'that charge ?",' ,They; .had entrusted,.£^s,ooo to certajn.agehfsi to purchasevlands. for -the : ;pnder ! preemption of the Crown,' and if that; \ pbW^.f'' was used •to behefi fc'-" private mdi - ; yiduals he contended 'that; the law cus-: tomary between' any commission agent, and his employer should 'be- enforced, ; and.that in proposing that. those lands; should be-handed over to 'Government; upon "reimbursing the agents ; such [ 'private expVhsos as they ' had - acWall'y' -incurred . . He reviewed; aU Jthese points, 'and j-he- entered^ lntp^kj ftiahnef- .of; raising revenue, and saici that.'; A licit-! ..land .was "charged; with .'.-being impe-: cunions. . But. how ..wereA they .impecunious ? Only ..because; they^were called upon to meet enormous .expenses of that ravenous- -'monster ; in ( 'Welling- ; ton. If they • were erected Ad tb a colony by thefrise'ves, and had; the Customs ' revenue, ■; they: r would' he : : a Wealthy : com muni tyA—- (Eoutl cheers). He quoted from -Mr' M'ac^ a.ndrew's pamphlet an assertion- that 'rurihnlders "in" tbe Soiitli Supported , Abolition because they jyoul^be able: to get large runs 1 based again bn better; terms then they cgiitd 'do from Pro-; vmciat Governments. '.--!£." those" irun^ were not again leased 'they 4y"ould most; probable cut into small sheep farms tor the. benefit of. the. people.- .Alluding to the subsidies promised to Road Boards; : "and Municipalities,* he- characterised; them as bribes-^but only such as might; .be offered. by nurses to children. He. proceeded tb that these subsidies, •must come out of taxation, -jvn'd 'ta'e\ social endowment was r thus 'taken but; of their own pockets. ./These subsidies ,had .hitherto,.be.en dr.awn from Joans,. for which "they io ApajA very! •tlearly. • It/miglit be said that a la nil tax '• or property; -i-ax might/remedyi 'thi^ but; when he proposed to lessen individual' taxation rfy ,this -means, :he!was« met by; ' to chichi .heLreplied -Tfljat' they wanted men who would do .this; He' dbtitehde'd 'that Athere « was no diffi-j cultv in reducing the Estimates : by €150,000. a'sMr -Re'adef Wood would hear Him AoutA r '- At : prissenl ft' would he to'tittemp't to-sketch-Lout "ifmy actt'talfiolibv. .77The >: day after'-'th'e -neit 'lesSfoiTof closes, the 'Prp^. : vinces will be- abolished. r Before l! then; ,avg^eat manyjcpntin^ncies afe tocotoe - into: force; ! i We/dp. npfi quite.knp.wlhby next iParliamenfcwall ba/ constituted, -^or who will be the Ministers. 7 We dp.npt feel beffain 'atu-alli take; place*;"* that 'is" ?yet?ta«c{uesti'o n ,icj ..the .womb, of 7 time/a nd hasto be:de-i Lterrniried; ):^^^^ti|up^'^^^ Zealand, tt .isr fhe.AGbyeppine.nt^ /shpvfdl'tell'Jybuw^ "inelit :*theV:',WbjM^ ernment. should -■ haVe gone^ttOT.uthe Country \y.ei*e).t6, fcm was attempted under,; r^uch o|r J gu^?fance^..what igA qiijt „^ut y^l Fri 'my^ opinion-— -T ?: spfeak'itci tlie electgrsj . . d v ty4f}is >yer,y . pi amy- ana e .:4^% u^ >d lvty i ft ( tb' Ji%ir E th P7 J rttvrAof^ th p 4pm plr'aas J •hat if^^ federation 'is.;brokeriA7'u^^.i'Wolit consent 'or- mwrtexvtvbpnie^s c"tot| l^i^l^r^^a^olfg^^p WR#dM

j upon«what^r,^sti|i^ilp^ o^^^o^A| supposing -the-lGoyern ment had takeall -Oii?.'J-,Vi«|}^^Jjn^j they% ilia^prb^dd"^ i Gpyejnp pent, ; .ahd;jiaa#f i SmJfJk* ££?#s#' 'Mi 'th; i V and/tWi:AI ■law!-' ! ha ; ving' fs bp l eh ( iekpressl v ? jelifned. | fbfi tha t you! Vo 'bound d>y that; irbut fifidth'egtprptfjhcftg' :"A fore* onl^.;abalisl^d;byfthe4es^]tjl^A^e a! Iraye . the^ht^^ Al ; mine burselyeVwl^ n bt enter in io- suMr : a. yedera?i6V^as;^fij^^| 'Gen era! A sseiri bly may rfen d< ! ■> bVfbi-e % | ff an attemptis^miide toTfbrbe- AhcklanbL " A \ into cq'nferlern tion /pop tra.ryAtq.u it§ -'in;* -Ai teres ts, the wrqngs, yoiA^iaye^Jsuffer.ed, 7] the unjust dealing," with la'^ 77 haye ja ken plaice,' ' will oii^an;- i a£* 7 hiense clahn updri the-s3''mpat'hy%f >r th^ A jethpirej ..'_tfpb'h">*'>'ithe!.>%\Mttpathyrt , 'bfnftbe a] Queen .aid^Parliam/'ntl a£A homp,Aan4 -]\ wi|l .epsm^, v yQUP;iypice Ab;ein<r_ Jieardl J ;As to w;hat vonr own wishes tor you* I futui'e destiny.fnay he, ".this, is;, one'; of the ,;, cardinal , points A^which;. Ivpu ... ! Should keen '..in Ayiew.:'V.7 Awill • , mifc *.'A various , projects .before .you. Th? idea -that, .ir .Auckland.., Ayere an ab> spjutely spparate^cplpny^p c :Que^isl|in(i is, separated, froni, Keyr\ 'Spfitii'.^nJ^', 1 'ifc A ,\ypulid ( be, ane ; o t f" the, gTea,t;e l st 1 4p"d7;!mbst - A prosperous.;, o.f- the { colonies.^' ( Hje'liere spoke, of, the attitu'd^.^s^.Qwn- by^AAjckr land:in.past times .fpyiselfAq A I believe it, is imppssibjeAtp^evis.e^insti- "7 tutions in t.lie^resehtday'wljich-shoula -.4... / ?.--... j'-..; .- ./„'.>«' Ji.ii nys : ,M*:«,;-i. not. in some., respects., do, ,wron«*v.*hiit I do thinkj,,and having that: iait*^*! haye' the- sii'pport^ of "tlie" greatesj/minil.^n 7 Europe, that .it r wquld t be/possible', by -.7 degrees' to ediifedtb th'e'pe^feVo' be' fitted for ahioher7st;ate7 of ' ipsiituiion i s''ttfiari any now ' enjoyed^n 7 any "pijrt ! of^iliib wqrl d . ,' H eAi rista'n ced; the l free °sti'te bt Greece as, th ! e ; nib's t ! known. He assorted ; His" 'unhesitating' ■belief that 'i : f;"A J uckland/'^ city,' with oAlyAtbe harbor • bf Au'ck'l&qcl ahd Mannkan 1 ahd^'a^djacen't ; lah T d; : we 'wbji;ld7rais;e" : tip^^^ great ! ;'lia '(jarthagei 1 , jf^ith'in' 1 _t b r eVerjl i^a'i tlie ppwby'bi''esto^ tfla(iW]an I d ! th;6 ... 'exterijsiprf'pfj^ "everi within "these 'smftll 7 limits ?rj'se r; tb grea tiifes's , tha t w'put d f a s to rfi^h 1 m an Ui r?{s. I ihay t 'll'y Ou "that spmS bf'tli^greitesjt minds in; the" last' Ajss'eVulity fpli'e'vbd 'that uii'ci^r 'e'xisU'n^'ciVe\\mst;kf;.6eVAaTQ ; cl ■>'■> m 'yi'ew .of the 'stbck^giVe^' J tb^ ! PfhlririlirAl ■'7 .institutions,"'.' that' 'tha f )isisi- "so'ufti'dh^of A Hiie diffi^uliTy' Wp|ild: ; bp u pif^paValibai . L of . : JVew Zeal'htid' Wo li W 6' Sixties; ''^(yiik '> 7 , TflVin (P liH'V^yii .•: due subofcliridtiitri'^'tb <3| fe^ t^'^B i«i tfii'nL' 7 absolutely sovereign powe.rs 'withip 'it- Ac !;sbiii;-lind I'liar lt f should Ul yieid f u^ li^b. •>•'; ' portion ' of Aits^'poivets, 'excepir'strfcW : /eciera ; i; bnesl^ \ The if '^F^H^l;^ .- 7': 'Vernment sitirfngs -at "v^iaton^to'nlihoiul'tl , •-. 1 Cii^lhns ; Arip^ie^i 1 f*^sU^ .. vOffice-^ueSvab'd certain subj&Vts ofVhMV ; lqndj; ; and;;lrke J^^^" each" isla ; nd ; he"; 's'rtVer^igh^ifliiu 'its, :'cM'if limits f arid '•■• thifc *$lie- !f^f e^neral-- :: A'ssen)bly be the , Aserviint pf^'th.'e"''twb 'tslands— not-ableA'to '-take^ a'"wa'y-fany ■pbw'er^frbm •''them', but' oiilyAi^i'ceivih'g 7. suph pb;wer3 rr Ss" r rri'ay, 'byAJOiht l agr6egiven- themi • l Evtin ;, 4oinfe^f y the/ leading '-meh - at : W'ellin'gtbn^ ■h'aJve A •signified' 1 their ehtire ; «icquibseu'ci# th'at'iti " case of Auckland 1 being' ihadb^lip^apir tal of 'tVte ' Northern- llslanajoanduthd ■Pedefill Grove^naie'nt; retaining. -At* seat/ -at ''Wellington ' their wbi ulds feel ifcitheir -duty to acc'drd; with at itlthei publiQjsen'tir ment were- in that:direction; fAlihpiigh lie wcluld^sa orifice: something bf hisAbwii i'eelih^sA-hbs would see.oa, cliaricecof<prds+perityi hein^v rGsfcorud-stoA-New k eZk'alHnaj-, and- the Ni)rth havingAiis own revenue spent among Athem.7;; H'e/thijUt'bt: that tins was the :scbeine<. which; the> people should bend' their minds 'to: ! They t would have'tWo: Legislatures- j:u; l ithe..,]Nbrth ' at Wellington: :a'nd}ithe > other-'at; AucklandT-siiting-uud'er^the 7 7a direbt-eye.of the jmblicy W.n.osei- welfare -; ; their actions affected. 116 would *see . A a gfain.-Aubklan d able .to/,^.ro; ; hei^faiir share, of money,; and; aldettp "^yaiLhei;.- ;^ self of all ad vanfagesi, It yy.ifSsa^rpplanj- ; J -cholylith.i.ngjfQr hiip-jta -see j no, ru^Hftj/r :7| [ the . dist ricts/pen^r 1 h.w } hfl hi t^tiipi, , and -£p *('| I seen residents-, .liljej jSayagTS^-in-!, canvas j waiting at poinfS7pn o t\brir o j^rney n tp ""% send produce ro iV :t'h';i]efore« A in all parts of the Province bii heart ,- yearned^ to •havbA^diffJrent state of AA things. It,was7foiuthis;that he rec tm- 7 JI rhfeiided { of .•-:Sepni?Aio.nr\v;h)'ch A found most faypr,,WAth J JTijis frienGs. Then ? ..todt)pk..;fiirfhPß- toAl^e| : fiitu^ tQnire 7 I; -.re ccn t tl y-j f r^shj fi el^s t qF.ibd j{sky l^J^^it ,1 opened to the human; v^.lr^^^^'y Califof n ftf, - Jap.n.n-Jp;hin,aj-»i i fiT],dff..A,M^- Ai lasm:^ •LpbkatHhe^pfisiti.on;>iOrWAj^B|& A 3 la'nd r -sitnatedt in /thetihighv^ayffAQf otlva* . 7 oceans teeming %itfrrteh£^ ;| 'tibri J of T hei" 5 -• ■ Vesonr6^*Bt^ 'd%feMi'flSo"er^ A; hftf& fW : HgarPA^uM J$ tlie people 1 W^lJ^|| ..Would thew4qJbifjr^^^s^li^^he^fl .efforts to arri^^g^c;g^^^^Mi ; A| ,beafor t tber I^^^^^ did nbteask^beri^^^A^ they disapproyc^fyjns sUggfs.tions'AherAl «l^g?AbaJiiE 'S##^'SB^f|PftS| •'efforts' fortheigopd ■■ovjthe Jcww?sm}SyJm ."?ervjces ; Xyerbt"stillffiafe6fth.^ -(Prpl'on'ged7cheeringv^Bs>B^|4^ tgrea;t-'eri)-!i'usia"^ip,^^^^ a^'th e:iM^MmiS&fM^^^^ fift^l)*^