McLean at the starting point of the survey. Friend, the Governor, I had already discussed with McLean two years ago when I came to live at Ngamotu following the payment by Fitzroy, and then Brown came to find out who was the owner of the land. He saw Wiremukawahowho told Brown, "You go to Moturoa to Joel he will tell you what to do" Now Brown went on his horse. Dick Barrett was alive [he had since died]. When Brown arrived at Dick Barrett's he told him to go to Joel to Manahi to Paratene as they were the ones who had the say as to what was to be done with the land, that is the land that would be used to graze the cattle belonging to Kamu Kingi. It would not be right in my opinion for Kamu Kingi's cows grazing to be charged £4 for one year, £8 for two years and £12 for three years. I then told brown that the charge should be £50 a year and the same for the 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th and 7th year. When the Europeans heard about the higher price it was turned down. When a certain Maori heard of the favourable arrangement I had out forward for grazing Kamu Kingi's cattle he was somewhat disgruntled and said not to accept payment and for the land to be left for the cultivation of food for the Maori people. I was reminded of what my father told me when McLean and I went on the sailing ship Victoria. His name was Rawiri. When we reached Totaranui, he (Rawiri) listened to what I had to say and he agreed that I should give the land to McLean. I had referred this to McLean when I arrived back from Wellington. McLean did not consider what I had told him.