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left by, I think, three persons. It is possible the Home may have suffered from the inefficient staff as regards numbers when you were there. The improvements that have taken place in the Home since you left are not altogether due to the increased staff; they are partly due to it. There have been some of the staff, perhaps two or three, discharged for drunkenness since you left. The staff is appointed on the recommendation of the Costley Home Committee of the Board. I think the usual practice is to advertise. I do not remember any member of the Board recommending a member of the staff privately. There was no outside influence brought to bear on these appointments. I am aware that there has been an increase in the expense of the upkeep of the Home since you left. I have called the attention of the Manager to that. There has not been any report to the Board of friction between the Manager and his staff. I cannot remember how I or the Board obtained the information as to your treatment of Kinghorn and Mrs. Gertrude Campbell. The first I heard of it was at the Committee meeting at the Home. John Court sworn, and examined by Mr. Moss. I have known you three years. I was a member of the Council about two months prior to the inquiry. I did not know much about the management of the Home at that time. I heard the evidence at the inquiry. I thought you were all right. I considered the inquiry to be a fair one. I considered it fair that the Press, yourselves, and the public should be excluded from the inquiry. I had the greatest confidence in the Board that they would do justice. The evidence was submitted to you. Ido not remember the resolution produced, 18th June, 1901. I believe most of the witnesses were hostile to yourself and Mrs. Moss. They did not exhibit bias or animus against you. I do not if Miss Mark was discharged from the Auckland Lunatic Asylum, I considered the evidence sufficient to warrant your dismissal. Cruelty to patients was the worst charge brought against you. I went through the evidence carefully, and gave it great attention. No witness was refused a hearing, so far as I know. I remember something of a petition. I put very little value on petitions. The inquiry was held in camera in the interests of the Home and the old people. The evidence was submitted to you, and you made reply. I was biassed in your favour before the inquiry, if anything. I heard Kinghorn's evidence, but cannot remember what it was. I know nothing about Thomas Dunn. I remember evidence that you had sent Dunn to the laundry and garden to work when unfit. I believe he died the same night, or the night afterwards. 6'Callaghan made charges against you. He said he had lain in bed five days unable to urinate, and had had no attention. I remember it being stated that Dr. King had attended the man, and prescribed for him, but that Mr. Moss did not give him the medicine, but gave him two shillings' worth of gin in two days. I did not know that O'Callaghan and you had been in conflict on account of his drunken habits. I know Mrs. Gertrude Campbell. T should say she is between thirty and forty years of age. She was admitted as an epileptic patient. I sympathize with your determination to put down drunkenness. I know nothing of your religious opinions, and did not hear the subject mentioned. I am sure the Home has improved since you left. I heard complaints about your management before you left. We would have given you a larger staff if you had asked for it. The improvement in the Home is due to better management, larger staff, more harmony between the staff and the inmates. The increased cost of the upkeep is due to the increased staff. I had no personal animus against you. My reason for refusing a public inquiry was that we considered ourselves competent to manage it. A small section of the public are, I believe, dissatisfied with the management. All the Leagues were refused for the above reason. I never told any one that I accepted Mrs. Moss's evidence as the truth. The place was very dirty, and infested with vermin. Ido not remember if the doctor was asked if there were vermin. That the place was dirty is a reflection on the Board. By Mr. Cotter: I have been a business man for forty years. It was not intended on the part of the Board to take any advantage of Mr. and Mrs. Moss. They were given full opportunity to answer the complaints made against them. They were first asked to resign by a unanimous vote of the Board. Upon their refusal to resign, they were dismissed. The position was advertised. Mr. Moss was one of the applicants. Be-exnmined by Mr. Moss: You gave reasons why you should not resign. John Gordon sworn, and examined by Mr. Moss. I have known you for ten years, when I first became a member of the Board. I had formed an opinion of your character. At times I have had great doubts as to your ability to manage the Home; at other times I had not. I went through portions of the Home nearty every fortnight. You were courteous up to the time you were dismissed. I used to have a little gin-and-milk from you at the Home. I never sneered at you for bringing cases of drunkenness before the Committee. I have seen the Home in an unclean condition. I have seen vermin on the inmates. I have spoken to members of the Board about that. The inquiry was absolutely fair. You were always supported by the Committee when you reported any of the inmates for drunkenness. O'Callaghan's statement as to his treatment when ill was supported by evidence. You had neglected your duty. No material fact was in doubt. Kinghorn did not say you did not assault him. He never said he'had not complaints to make against you, but he had against, the Board. Mr. Stichbury mentioned to the Board that something was wrong, and that there should be an inquiry held. That was Kinghorn's matter. I remember you reporting Kinghorn drunk to the Board's Committee at the Home. I do not remember any written report. The evidence of your maltreatment of Kinghorn was complete The marks of it were seen on the man. I do not remember the date of the assault —possibly November. The inquiry was held in February. I cannot remember Kinghorn being brought before the Committee. If you had reported it in the usual way, I have no doubt he was. I remember Mrs. Gertrude Campbell. I do not remember you reporting her. I heard about your treatment of Gertrude