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there some time. I went to the private residence of Major Gudgeon. I returned, made a search for the key; I found it. I put them in the press, and locked it up. On either the Sunday or Monday evening I put them in my pocket to examine them at home. I took out the one marked " gorse." I took some of the contents out. My first intention was to examine them. I abandoned the idea of examining them, and handed them to Mr. Tasker on the sth. I took no papers out of the other two envelopes, only the " gorse " one. I took the papers on the sth to Mr. Tasker, each in its turn, into a clean envelope. I marked each of the fresh envelopes as former ones had been marked. This is the envelope in which the paper found at the gorse and on the road was in when I handed it to Mr. Tasker. [GG.] This is the envelope to which I transferred the papers brought by Benjamin and Camphell in Chemis's house to me, and which I handed to Mr. Tasker. [EF.] This is the envelope in which I transferred the paper found in the coat-pocket, and which I handed to Mr. Tasker with paper in. [DD.] When I got to the office I found some of the paper had got out of the envelope in the coat-tail pocket, and I replaced them in the envelope. The pocket had been empty when I put it in. I replaced the paper in the envelope at the office. At the inquest I saw*the flesh in the hands of Dr. Cahill, with shot, paper, &c, mixed up in it. Dr. Cahill brought on the 6th a round wooden ointment-box. He took the lid off and showed me the contents. They were small fragments of paper. I did not "touch it. I did not take possession of it. He went with me to Mr. Tasker, and in my presence he handed the box and contents to him. I had delivered my paper to Mr. Tasker on the sth. I had not examined the papers I found. I only once looked, as I have said. I only once saw the mass of flesh—there at the inquest, in Dr. Cahill's hand. Before the 6th June I had not received any communication from Dr. Cahill as to what he had teased out of the flesh. I saw him once before. He told me he was about to make a careful examination of the mass. I was at his house once —two nights before the 6th—between the date of the inquest and the 6th. , I was not at his house at all on the 6th. When the mass of flesh was at the inquest the outer wrapping was brown paper; the inner wrapping was newspaper. 130. Mr. Bunny.] I believed Benjamin remained at the morgue till about ten o'clock. He told me after one o'clock he had just come back from the morgue. I had directed Benjamin to wait at the morgue till he could get the result of the post mortem; this was about ten a.m. Some time after one he came back to me, and told me that Dr. Cahill had sent out a message to him that the deceased had been murdered with some sharp instrument. Then I directed him to go out at once. I marked the envelope " Gorse" in pencil before I put the paper in. I did not look to see what paper they belonged to. I did not notice to what paper they belonged. 131. Why did you not go into the bedroom yourself?—l thought it better to send the detectives in. I told them to secure any fragments of paper, to look for blood-stained paper, and to look for the pocketbook. Ido not remember telling them to bring out all pieces of paper. My theory was that there had been a gunshot, but at that time there was nothing to support it. It was in consequence of seeing the pieces of paper and cloth. All that Benjamin mentioned was that it was by some sharp instrument, nothing about a gunshot. lam not sure that I had been informed before I went out that paper had been found by Carroll in the morning. I think the first I heard of the paper was when Campbell pointed oat on the spot where paper had been picked up and the knife. The stiletto was in the same bundle as the papers. There were spots of rust on it. I immediately examined the stiletto. I have no remembrance,of saying, " This thing is rusty, but we can see better in daylight." There was Jin., or less, of verdigris down the hilt from the cross-piece. I saw Benjamin put his finger in the gun once. I cannot say whether he did in both barrels. I did not take the gun away that night. I did not because I had no positive knowledge at that time that he had been shot. I think it was Campbell brought away the shot-pouch. 132. Was it not because you were then under the impression that the gun had not been recently fired ? —Certainly not. I did not give instructions that the gun should be left behind. Ido not think so. I have no remembrance of saying so. I did not look upon the gun as an important feature at that time. I saw Dr. Cahill on the Saturday night. I showed him the stiletto. I expect I told him what I had seen at the house. He may have asked why I had not brought the gun. Ido not recollect that he did or did not. I do not remember his saying I ought to have brought the gun. Benjamin or Campbell, Ido not recollect which, was present. This was at nine or ten p.m. There was a third person present. I marked the first " Gorse," so that I should remember it. I put the second in left-breast pocket of my coat. I did not mark either of the last two with pencil. I think it was about six, or past, when I returned to the police-station from Chemis's. I was, I dare say, an hour and a half reading the evening paper. I marked them before I went to the Commissioner of Police. After reading the paper I marked the envelope. I marked the envelopes when the whole matter was fresh in my recollection. lam sure that paper that was brought out by Benjamin in bundle was put into the left-breast pocket, and the other into the right-breast pocket. At the Commissioner's I did not produce the envelope. I told him what had taken place. I told him there that I had taken papers off gorse-bushes. I did not show him the contents of either of the envelopes. I did not offer to show them to him. I left his place after nine, I should think; not so late as half-past ten ; not ten. On Sunday or the Monday. I only opened one of them, the one marked " Gorse." I did not take notice of what pieces of paper they were. I thought it would take more time than I could give to it. The pieces I found were nearly torn, lacerated. Those I took from the gorse were impaled. I had to tear them from the gorse. They are not like the paper taken from the house. 133. The Court.} Some of the paper brought out by Benjamin was as small as a shilling; most larger ; but the smaller,not distinguishable from what was found on the roadway. What was picked off gorse was torn by getting it off the thorns. The first intimation from Dr. Cahill was on the 6th, when he said that he found the word " Hudson " and the date. Mr. Tasker furnished me with no report. Information was laid on the night of the 4th June. It was not determined to lay the information because of what appeared in the Evening Press of the 4th. It had been arranged.