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he gave first was stabbed with a sharp instrument. It would be before twelve that Dr. Cahill sent out second message. At that time Benjamin was not there. Dr. Cahill did not tell him to telephone. Man —either Gleeson or Healy —went outside and returned in a few minutes. I did not tell Dr. Cahill that Benjamin had left. Benjamin did not say he would wait, or that further information should be sent to him : I swear. 125. Mr. Bell.] By shot-marked I meant blackened. I did not notice it was indented. It was blackened. Hare was at house-side of first gate nearest house. It appeared to be recently killed —killed a day or two ; hind part had been eaten away. 126. Mr. Bunny.'] I went to Chemis's house on Wednesday with Benjamin, Campbell, and Healy. I remember a revolver was taken that day. It was handed to Healy by. Benjamin. I did not hear Healy say he was going to fire it off'. Mrs. Chemis wanted to see how many barrels were loaded. It was pointed out that there were three loaded. Fbedeeick Healy examined. 127. Mr. Richmond.] Am a constable in Wellington. On the —th June I went to the scene of the murder with Carroll. We went to the house first. We came and searched about. I picked up pieces of paper and cloth-tweed, and two small stones. I gave the papers to Carroll. Saw Dimock pick up papers and cloth, and a piece of knife, and two buttons. They handed some to me, and I gave them to Carroll. Dimock handed some to Carroll—small scraps of paper, some of them black-lead colour —marked lead-colour, sort of black. 128. Mr. Bunny.] Something like lead-pencil colour —lead from shot. On the —th June I went to Chemis's with Benjamin and Carroll, and took a revolver away. I should not think it had been recently fired by the look of it. Benjamin gave it to me. I did not suggest firing a shot off. Mrs. Chemis did not prevent me, I think. I went up again to the Elbow on the 6th—Thursday— with Benjamin, Campbell, and Carroll. We fired some shots up there. We fired on the righthand side up-hill, not from the left-hand side gorse-bushes. Benjamin at the same place. John Bell Thompson examined. 129. Mr. Bell.] Am Inspector in charge of the Wellington District. On the Ist June I went with Detectives Benjamin and Campbell to Hawkings's road. It was nearly three o'clock when we got there. We went out by the two o'clock train. I picked them up at Kaiwarra. Saw Benjamin between one and two o'clock at the station. I saw a pool of blood. At a bend in the road I observed a number of very small pieces of paper too small to be from tearing. They appeared as if from explosion of gunpowder ; also some fragments of woollen cloth. I also saw what appeared to be paper in the gorse-bushes on left-hand side. These pieces were larger than those that were on the road. Those on right very minute. I picked no very small pieces on gorse—about the size of Is.—they were impaled on gorse. I left Campbell there. The paper I picked up on right and on gorse-bushes I took a sheet of notepaper, and put those small pieces in the envelope. I wrote word " gorse" on back of envelope. This is the same envelope. I continued putting them in, as many as I could, of pieces of paper. I wrote the same evening, on my return to office, "found on gorse-bushes. I put the envelope with the paper in it in the back pocket of my coat. I had satisfied myself that that pocket was empty before I put envelope in. While I was on bank Bowles came along, leading horse and cart, and Mrs. Hawkings in it. I spoke to Bowles as he passed. I asked him a question. I tore off two pieces off what I had picked off gorse-bushes, and let it go, and the wind took paper towards gorse-bushes, but a little to right. They did not lodge in the gorse. The wind was S.E. We then went up to the house of Mrs. Hawkings. Had some talk with her. Benjamin went for search-warrant. We waited for Benjamin at Hawkings's. Then all three went through scrub to Chemis's house. When we reached there Chomis was outside. Search-warrant read. Norman showed us the track. We saw prisoner some time before we got there. When warrant was read he said, " All right." He entered into no conversation. We searched him particularly for bloodspots ; none found. On entering house, prisoner called to his wife, " Police have come to search house." She made no remark. Benjamin and Campbell went to search. I remained in kitchen, so did Mrs. Chemis. I sat opposite fireplace, Mrs. Chemis at table. Benjamin and Campbell took him into a room which leads into a bedroom. There was no passage. After a short time Benjamin brought out a double-barrelled muzzle-loading gun. He put his finger into one of the barrels, and said, "it looks as if recently discharged." His finger was blackened. After searching some time, Benjamin brought out to kitchen a white handkerchief tied up in a bundle. I opened bundle. I found it contained a considerable number of documents, and a few fragments of torn newspaper. I placed the fragments of paper on one side, and looked through the memoranda. After that examination the ivory-handled dagger and shot-pouch brought out at same time ; also a revolver, rusty. It had the appearance of not having been used for some time. After examining documents, I took the fragments of paper and put them into an envelope. That envelope I placed in left-hand breast-pocket, with fragments of paper in it. I had no fragments of paper in my pockets. The same night, when I got to the office, I made a memo, on the envelope, on the|fly. [Ex. N.] After they had searched inner room I searched a pocket of a coat hanging in kitchen, and in one pocket of the coat I found several fragments of torn newspaper. These I put into a third envelope, and one placed that in my right-hand breast-pocket. [Ex. o.] I also marked that envelope the same night, and made memo, on that envelope. lam certain that paper I first put away was paper brought to me by Benjamin ; and lam certain that I put that into the left breast-pocket. I put into the right breast-pocket the paper ■got from the coat. I marked the envelopes as thay are now in the evening. I did not interfere with envelopes for some time. I then, after an hour, took the envelopes out of the tail-pocket, and marked on the flap what there is now ; and marked second as now ; and did the same with the third ; I marked flaps. lam certain contents did nctf, get mixed. I found the key of my press mislaid. I placed them back in the pockets I had taken them from. They remained