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not agree, and there was much discussion about who should be put on to the block. Wirihana said his brother was the only one who had children, and he wanted him put in. There was nothing like an unanimous agreement about putting in the two names, nor about allowing it to go in the name of one ; but I thought a large majority was in favour of investing it in Kemp alone, so I determined to see what they would do in Court. I cannot remember exactly the order of proceedings in Court. I know we went into Court and got some orders. Then either the Assessor died or his wife died, and we had to wait for a new Assessor, and, after waiting for him, the Court must go over the whole thing again; and they did go over it again, so I cannot recollect the order in which these orders were made. The tracing that was put before the Court as the voluntary partition by the Muaupoko themselves was what you see there, with one exception, and that is the 800 acres. My full belief is that the tracing that was submitted to the Court showed the 800 acres all together on the southern side of the railway; that is my strong impression. As the Commissioners are aware, the proceedings in a partition Court are these: that a rough tracing is made, and titles are not issued till the survey has been made, when they are put in by the Court. This was a carefully scaled drawing; but it was only a tracing, and when the actual survey of the partitions came in, that was what it appeared to be. With this exception, the tracing put into Court showed the partitions quite as correctly as this does. I have said a difference arose between myself and Kemp about the railway. If it is of any use, I will state what it was. I have said that the agreement sent up to me had been tampered with, and a new consideration put in, and it was of no value. I asked Kemp to allow me to put him into the box and give oral evidence to the Judge so that the Judge would, on that evidence, make the order for freehold tenure, as provided by the Act. As I understood, Kemp agreed to do this, but when I put him in the box, to my horror, he said he had signed an agreement, and he said I had it. I told the Judge I had an agreement that was no good. I produced it, and the Judge was going to commit me for forgery, as if I had done it. I explained to the Judge that I had nothing to do with it till it was sent up, and that I could not, and did not, propose to use it. The alteration was this : Dr. Buller had put into his deed that the consideration was fifteen fully paid-up shares, but it appeared afterwards that the company could not issue fully paid-up shares, so they altered it into seventy-six shares, with £1 paid up, which would leave him liable to' a further call on them. Kemp thoroughly understood all this. He went into a long story how he had been induced to take shares, and that I and the company had tried to have him in some way with those shares. Ido not know who altered the deed, and I thought Kemp was justified in making an objection, but what I wanted him to do was, to say he was satisfied to transfer to the railway for fifteen fully paid-up shares. However, I believe the company have in some way since issued them. That was the difference between myself and Kemp, and we had a most foolish quarrel. I called him everything I could lay my tongue to when I got outside, as having allowed me to go into Court as if he was not going to say anything. However, we each had our blow-out, and there is an end of it. To show that there was no ill-feeling when the partition was completed and the Court rose to go, Kemp offered me two ten-pound notes, in recognition of my assistance to himself and his people, which I declined to take, as I was being paid by the railway company; but he thrust them into my pocket, and, of course, I took them and spent them, and was very glad to have them, too. I regarded it as a recognition by Kemp at that time that he believed I had, as I believed I had, given him valuable assistance in making the partition. That is all that I can remember about the partition in 1886. Not long after that, a very short time after, I met Kemp in Wellington, and I urged upon Kemp to make allotments to those people that were resident on the land. "If you do not," I said, '■' you will have trouble. Why do you not ? There is plenty of money coming out of the township to pay for surveys. Why not send a surveyor and survey the sections? Warena Hunia, who stands in the relation of a son to you, will no doubt agree to anything you suggest," and urged upon him, with all my power, to get these allotments made right away. He said, '■' Time enough he was a chief; let them wait." At any rate, it was never done, and I believe I never, between 1886 and 1890, met Kemp without urging this on him. That is all I can recollect up to 1890; the only thing I saw was the Gazette to partition Block 11. I went over to Palmerston to attend the Court, as I always did, and I learned a great deal. I learned that the applications before the Court as to Block 11 were really three—one by Warena, one by Kemp, and a reference from the Supreme Court; and, upon inquiry, I learned this reference from the Supreme Court was a reference to ascertain the relative interests of those parties with a view to the allotment of rent. I was not at that time, as I say, in Donald Fraser's employ. I was very friendly with Kemp, and had a long, friendly talk with him on the matter, and expressed my great regret at falling out in this way, and I said, to Kemp, "If this was your old friend and relative, Kawana, what would you do ? I presume you would talk it over—settle it in some way. Well," I said, " you are the elder, and any proposition should come from you, and if it is reasonable at all you will be supported by anyone who knows about it in any reasonable proposition you make." He authorised me to offer him 1,000 acres. I made the offer to Donald Fraser, and he referred it to Warena. There ensued several negotiations, lasting over several days. In the meantime, while the negotiations were going on, there were also applications in the partition from altogether 106 persons, and, although a number were to get 105 acres each, those acres had not been allocated. I heard, I think, about two or three proposals made. I was present when either Warena Hunia or Donald Fraser proposed to take the list, and let Kemp select one man and Warena another, and interchange any who might wish. That was one proposal. There was another proposal, that Kemp should take so much and Warena so much, and leave so much for the tribe. I think that proposal originally came from Karena te Mana o tawhaki, who was present, as was also Hone Taipua ; but all these negotiations proceeded on the basis of the absolute power of these two men to make whatever disposition of the block they might think proper. They all fell through, I thought, simply because Kemp was not unnaturally angry and wrath at being bearded in this way by a young man, who was a mere child, and that it was downright jealousy and anger that prevented the negotiations coming