HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. DIVISIONS IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE. SESSION III. (Extracted from the Minutes.)

Votes and Proceedings of the House of Representatives, 1855 Session I

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. DIVISIONS IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE. SESSION III. (Extracted from the Minutes.)

THURSDAY, AUGUST 30TH, 1855. No. I.—Estimates op Expenditure fob 1855-56. (Post Office, Auckland.) Motion made and question put —That the salary of the Chief Clerk in the Post Office at Auckland, be 2501, per annum.— (Mr. Carle ton.) Committee divided. Ayes 9,. Noes 6. Messrs. Mackay, Messrs. Cliffoid, Taylor, Sewell, Bacot, Crompton, O'Neill, O'Brien, Brown, Travers, Forsaith, Hart, (Teller.) Carleton, Poiter, Gretnvvuo3, (Teller.) No. 2. Question proposed—That the salary of the second Clerk in the Post Office at Auckland, be £150 per annum.—(Mr. Mackay.) Amendment proposed —That the question be amended, by the omission of the figures " 150," with a view to insert 200 in lieu thereof.—(Major Greenwood.) Question put —That the figures proposed to be omitted, do stand part of the question. Committee divided, Ayes 6. Noes 9. Messrs. Travers, Messrs. Mackay, Sewell, Brown, Lee, Bacot, Crompton Porter, Clifford Taylor, Greenwood, (Teller.) O'Neill, Hart, Foisaith, Caileton., (Teller.) Wher.eupon amendment put and passed,

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No. 3".

Question proposed—That the sum of £300 be placed in the Estimates, for contingencies in the Post Office at Auckland^—(Mr. Mackay.) Amendment proposed—That the question be amended by the omission of the figures" 300" with a view to insert 200 in lieu thereof.—(Mr. Travers-) Question^ —that the words proposed to be omitted; do stand part of the questioa —put and carried. The original question having been put, Committee divided.Ayes H. Noes 5; Messrs; Taylbf, Messrs. Clifford; BroWrij Sewell, Porter, Hart, Carleton,- Travers, Bacot, ©rompton-, (Teller.)! Mackay, Greenwood O'Brien, Forsaith, Lee, O'Neill, (Teller.) No. 4. E»TJtßi.isii>fEf(T of His Excei.keKct the Governor. Motion made and question put —That a sum of £163 l6s. be placed in the Estimates, as an allowance in lieu of forage for three horses. — (Mr. Stive 11) Committee divided. Ayes 12'. Noes 4. Messrs. Lee, Messrs. Bacot, Sewelf, Brown, Travers, O Neill 1 , Greenwood Carleton, (Tsllc^.V Clifford, Mackay, Hart, Taylor, Porter, O'Btien, Crompton, Forsaith, (Teller.) 1

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER sth, ISSO, jjo. i, Estimate or Expenditure fob 1855-56. Motion made and question put —That the Chairman do now report progress f«r the purpose of re-committing the Estimates in order to re-considtr the amount voted for the salary of the Deputy-Registrar at Otago, and other items. —(Mr. Fortattli ] Committee divided. Ayes 5. 10. Messrs. Gray, Messrs. Clifford, Forsaith, Greenwood, Crompton, Bacot, O'Brien, Sewell, O'Neill, (Teller.) Brown, Travers, Lee, Hart, Porter, Carleton, (Teller-)

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$o. 2.—Native Secretary's Department. Question proposed—that the sum of he placed on the Estimates as an 1 allowance, in Upu of forage at 4s. per diem.— (Mr. Maclcay.) Amendment proposed—That? the question be amended, by the omission of the figures " £73," with a view to insert £54' 15s. Odi in lieu thereof, and that the words and figures" 4's. per diem" be omitted, with a view to insert' 3s per' diem, inlieu thereof.—(Mr O'Neill ) Question —that the words and figures proposed to be omitted do stand part of tflie question—put and negatived. On the amendment being put, Committee divided.Ayes 12.- Noes 4.Messrs. Setvell, Messrs'. Brown, Hart, Gray, Crompton;- Porter, Clifford, ©arleton, (Tellerc-) Lee, Mackay, Eursaith, Travers Bacot, Greenwood' Taylor, O'Neill, (Teller.) 1 Whereupon question put and passed^ No. 3. Question a sum of £1000' be placed' upon tHe Estimates for " scrutiny of Electoral Rolls."—(Mr. ifraclMy•) Amendment proposed—That the question be amended by the omission of the' figures " 1000," with a-view to insert 500 in lieu thereof.—(Mr O'N-eiH.) Question —that the figures proposed to be omitted do stand part of the qu«s» tfon—put and negatived. On the amendment being {Subcommittee divided.Ayes 1-I-. Noes 6,Messrs. Bacot, Messrs. Crompton, Brown, Clifford, Taylor, Sewell, Greenwood- Mackay, Carleton, Hart, Forsaith, Travers, (Teller.)) Gray, O'Brien, Porter; Lee, O'Neill, (Teller.)' thereupon question put and passed. THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 6TH, 1855. Ko. I.— SbpplementaKi Estimates to 30th June, 1855, Motion made and question put—that a sum of Soo*. be placed upon the Estrmates for defraying the expenditure on account of the Survey of the lUver Ahames» — (Mr. Mackay.') Committee divided.

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AT Noes ' Mis.rs. O Brien, Messrs . Bacot( i 01 1"; Clifford, ® evel .» Crompton, roi.'aith, Carleton,(Tellei) Mai kay, v ' Taj lor, Bacot, Brown, Lee, Travers, (Teller.)

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 12tii, 1855. No. I.—Estimates of Expenditure for 1855-36. Motion made and question put—that this Committee do recommend the house to present a respectful address to his Excellency the Governor, praying him to send down to the house a Supplementary Estimate for the following bervices, viz:—. Fur the salary of the Clerk in the Resident Magistrate's" Court at Nelson, from the Ist of July 1855, to 30th June, 1855. - A l5O o 0 For an Interpreter 50 1., contingencies 50/. for the year 1855-56, same department • - - . 100 0 0 iMr. Maclcay.) 0 ~Q~~ Committee divided, Ayes 6, Noes 10. Messrs. Travers, Messrs. Bacot, B'Own, Greenwood Carleton, Hart. Taylor, Jjee, Forsaith, Crompton, Mackay, (Teller.) Sewell, Porter, « Clifford, Gray, O'Neill, (Teller.)

FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 16TH, 185-5. N°. I.—Messages from His Excellency the Gonernou, Nos. 7, 8, 9, and 10. Question proposed—that the proposed Loan Bill having been declined it is the opinion of this House that his Excellency the Governor is not lo be considered as bound by any message from his Excellency the Officer administering the Government, and resolution of the House, in relation to the amount to be expended in the purchase of native lands, but the house while recommending a strict economy, is neveitheless convinced that puichcse of land could not be entirely suspended without serious detriment to the three Northern Provinces of the Colony.—(Mr. Forsaith.) Amendment proposed->-that ail the words of the foregoing question be omitted, with a view to insert the following in lieu then of. "That this House, having considered his Excellency's Message No. 8, rer affirms the general principle contained in the Resolution of this House of the G;h September instant, virtually guaranteeing to the ProYinces, as far as possible, the Surplus Revenues. 2. "If the current advances to the Provinces should not 1 e equal to such estimate,d surplus, the balance jyill becopie a debt due to the Provinces, for which

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provision will be required to be made out of future Revenue of the General Government either by loan or current appropriation. 3. " With reference to the question proposed to this House by his Excellency as to the expediency of continuing the purchase of Native Lands, this House is sensible of the political as well as economical advantages of acquiring by purchase, as speedily as possible, the possession of Native Lands. 4. " But the present system of making Native land purchases, appears to this House to present in many points such grave objections, that this House respectfully declines to take on itself the responsibility of approving its continuance. 5. "In the opinion of this House, it will be desirable to continue to make purchase of Native Lands, if favourable opportunities should present themselves, upon a prudent and well arranged system, but the extent of these purchases ought not to be such as to derange the ordinary financial arrangements of the General or Provincial Governments. 6. "Should his Excellency exceed in making such purchases, the sum estimated in the Message of his Excellency the Officer administering the Government No. 52, viz., £13,1SO 1 , such excess of expenditure ought not in the judgment of this House, to disturb the financial arrangements with the Provinces; and in particular ought not to interfere with the current advances to them, or with the amount of surplus revenue ultimately guaranteed to them, for the service of the current year; but such excess ought to be provided for by extraordinary means, such as loan."— (Mr. Sewell.) Question put—that the words proposed to be omitted do stand part of the question. Committee divided. Ayes 3. Noes 12. Messrs. Porter, Messrs. Sewell, Gray, Taylor, Forsaith, (Teller.) Bacot, Clifford, Carleton, Brown, Mackay, Greenwood Hart, Crompton, Lee, Travers, (Teller.) Whereupon amendment put and passed.