FRIDAY, JUNE 18. TUESDAY, JUNE 22.

Hawke's Bay Herald, Volume 13, Issue 1061, 29 June 1869, Page 3

FRIDAY, JUNE 18.

TUESDAY, JUNE 22.

EESUMED DEBATE. " Mr. Collins said he thought the important question before the House' had been treated by the Postmaster-General as a party question —as a question of men and not of measures. Looking at it in that light, many members might hesitate to vote against the Ministry. He himself should hesitate to do so, if this were really a question of men, as, however much he disagreed with the policy of the hon. member at the head of the' Government, he gave that member credit for all sincerity in his endeavors to carry out that policy. He was not disposed to criticise the military operations that had., taken place; but considered ft' abundantly proved that the Defence Minister was utterly unfitted for his post. The dismissal' of Mr. M'Lean was the result of inordinate pride and love of autocratic power on the part of the hon. gentleman atthehead of the Government. The country would not have excused Mr. M'Lean if he had kept to the letter and disregarded the spirit of his instructions. He (Mr. Collins) cordially approved of the self-reliance policy. Some of the followers of Mr. Fox might last session have spoken harshly of Colonel M'Donnell; but it would be hard to hold Mr. Fox responsible for what his followers said. As to the Colonial Secretary saying the Government had sacrificed themselves to Colonel M'Donnell, either the Government thought he was a competent officer or that he was not; if he was, the Government had made no great sacrifice in retaining him in office ; if he was not, they were indulging their chivalrous feelings at the expense of the public. He did not believe the Imperial Government could refuse an appeal for troops. With him tKis question was simply one of finance —colonial troops cost three times as much as English, and where were we to get the money to pay for them P The arrival of troops would bring peace and prosperity to the colony. It was a mistake to follow the natives into the bush. He regretted that he had not taken exception to that part of the address which said we could not make further application to England for troops without loss of dignity. We lost much more in dignity when Tawhiao refused to see the Prince than we could possibly have done by applying for troops. Ho should vote for the! motion.

The Hon. J. C. Richmond said ton. members would believe him. when he said that he was comparatively indifferent to the personal results of this motion, and attached more importance to the results it would have upon the affairs of the country. The country had never been in such difficulties as ifc was at the present moment. They ought not to break up the Houso without having a clear and distinct statement of policy to go before the country. We had a diminution of revenue and a decrease in the value of the landed estate, and then we had this war for which this country was partly responsible, for there were two parties to overy war, and it was no new thing for a conflict to arise when a white' and black race came into contact. Then, we had virtual independence, which had come on us mainly from without. From the physical construction of the colony a degree of disunion and dispersion of powers had arisen such as perhaps so small a country wielding sovereign powers never had before. The country now de-. nianded of them to compromise those differences which had existed ; and his hon. colleagues were willing to lay aside for a timo those questions which had for years distracted the country. (Ironical <• • irs.) Ho was prepared himself to (•-/. it promise these questions for the future. . Ho was willing to meet even the question > of Separation; for there were greater evils than oven the separation of these islands would be. National bankruptcy and utter paralysis in the midst of danger were greater evjls. He felt 1 convinced that even if separation did come, it could j only bo for a time ; and was willing to face; this rather than the evils he had mentioned. The war was a matter of life arid death to one part of the colony ; and it was impossible for that part to suffer without the other part being likewise injured. Unless we applied the cure at once, it was quite certain that a very large part of the smaller settlements of the country must collapse ; and the Assembly would commit a fearful breach of trust if it separated without dealing with the nativo difficulty effectually. Peace was possible, we might be on the eve of it. At the same time, peace was not entirely in our option. He did riot believe any one — he did not believe tho hon. member for Avon (Mr. Bolleston) thought that peace was at our command. The war might bo circumscribed ; the Government had endeavored to circumscribe it, but still it existod, and tho Government must havo supplies to maintain the necessary strength to keep it in check. Tho Houso was indebted to the hon. member for tho Goldficlds for having dealt with tho troops question in a straightforward manner; but he (Mr. Itichmond) thought a wilder hopo was never held by a business man than that given expression to by tho hon. mombcr with regard to the troops. Tho colony would have to ignominiously succumb, would receive fresh taunts, and fresh reproaches, and finally get a decided refusal, if it applied for troops. The romoval of troops was a part of the settled policy of England, and was founded upon incontrovertible reasons. Tho hon. gentleman then read extracts from official documents in support of his argumont. We might, by adopting a different courso to what wo had done, havo deferred tho timo of tho troops being romovod, but tho policy of tho empiro rendered that removal inevitable. Tho key-noto of thatpolicy was, that tho military power of tho empiro was weakened by its dispersion over distant dependencies. Official documents showed how tho colony long since began to recognise that all military assistance would be withdrawn from it. He wishod to stato his own opinion that thcro was nothing ignoblo in tho conduct of Groat Britain. Thoro may hare boon much hardship and misapprehension shown by her statesmen j towards us ; but there was nothing un- 1 generous or illiboral in thoir treatment of tho colony, which they might think was playing fast and loose with them. Thoy wore justified in taking up and dealing with the dutios which lay at thoir doorstops ; and looking at tho magnitude of those dutios, it would bo presumptuous on his part to criticiso thoir conduct. Whatever might bo the impcrtinencics of Down-ing-strcot, ho would nevor allow his affections to bo cooled towards the noble statesmen who had to deal with such great questions, and dealt with thorn in so statesmanlileo a manner. ISTo doubt there- wero duties on the part of Great Britain to this country ; but thcro must bo a limit tp them. It was utterly futilo to expect military assistance from home. There might bo peace or thcro might bo war; but wo must help ourselves, and tho question was, how wore wo to do sop, Tlw

Government had done the best tm^'tflly could with ihe means Uttfiett v anand. Whatever they jflid liavfcthe future . must . converge upon the. heart and root of the disease, but itf.nragfc be done gradually. Theroofc, oi^the^e^l was the passionate desire of independence on the part of the J&aories ; $0$?; %?re had to teach them thisiaiepenqencemujt be kept within . certain , limits,, and • must not trench upon the mdependeace of t£eir . neighbours. The common jTami;Vrf c o^r military commanders .hitherto, had t?een that their movements were .jpasmpic. They defeated the eneniy:i janii then,gava him time to recpver.'iX j mus£ teife warning by this* and not lefc the eneniy sleep. We must fpUpw^ our suc^ssfi^iip as we had been doing lately"; until-,i|io enemy surrendered, as he^aja donetfgojn time to time.' At present the, enemy jraa dispirited, and lacked munitions anji|po<f, - and s^uld,b^fpypwed ; up^§J^i4a^M action of the Housed resulfc v iain^^g7tg« successes already obtained. abb»tjw^^ifio consequence would be more Wpoasnea^|nd expenditure in the fu^tfte. t forces were daily getting ' be^ee" faam^ and more relying on their officers; and, this was a ground for hope that, we should at length get out of . our difficulties. He could himself bear teaitimony from personal observations to the excellent conduct of the constabulary. , Colonel Whitmore had marched through the bush to Taranaki in three days under less favorable circumstances than General Chute> who took nine days. Another ground of hope was that whatever our, losses might be, they were not so utterly irremediable as those of the enemy. Then we had ifie support of a very large number of the natives, who had done much excellent Betvice. Then the King parity had shown signs of division; anofllewi Kgatimaniapofco betrayed a desire for peace, Bte . (Mr. Richmond) was not desirous of rushing upon the King party. < The .Taupo natives were. very desirous of having a force planted there ; this was an encouraging sign, and he thought one of the cures of the evil. Parties from, the igoldfielcls were straggling down the coast into the heart of the country ; and. if we > eojiild have peace, even but a temporary qr^fUfe should soon have a large population in the heart of the country. If the telegraphic despatches' were correct, the mere, fact <jf the TTriwera being in the Taupo country proved that the operations in theUriwera country had been a success; and private letters from Mr. Clarke to himself. tended to show these operations had been. «p. No doubt blunders had \beeiL committed and disasters occurred—- disasters which might perhaps have been avertecj. The hon. gentleman entered into an, explanation of the cifcumstanoes preceding the Poverty Bay massacre, and stated what steps he had taken for the protection of the settlement. It had been imputed to himself and Mr. M'Lean. tha.t they had not at once communicated news brought them by the Rev. Ilr. Williams. But considering the measures that, they . had taken for obtaining a forced fa> garrison the settlement, that they \ Bafl warned Major Biggs and the settlers not to sleep outside the blockhouse, anclhad left the district in charge of an experienced officer, he thought the House, wouH acknowledge that they- had made dup provision for the defence Ipf the settlement. He would read a letter from Mr. Lebnawl Williams in order to exculpate, Major Biggs from the charge that his imp'etuogj|g^^ had caused the attack. The.line b'fcaa^^ ducfc adopted' by the Government during the recess was : that having \a very, small and unorganised force, it was belter to confine their operations' to one; place, rather than to weaken it by dispersion, and in otherplaces to stand merely on the defensive. Telegrams which would be laid on the table would show that i they had given instructions for the forces on the. East Coast to remain on the defensive. Thp Poverty Bay massacre frustrated these endeavours; but the West Coast being very unsettled at the time, it was only after grave consultation that the Ministry decided to remove dol. Whitni6r6,tp!,i^ie East Coast, and, as sponas^pssilble^juie.jr brought hirabaqk againi" Th'e^pn.'jgea? tleman then detailed the circums|wi^# connected with the case of IKdpata Una the Ngatiporous. Mr^^Lean*sohslim that the arrival of Col. Whitmore* &61&& be the signal for . the dispersion^ of. thi native troops. A. letter frbtt&Mr. M'laali to Eopata which he would read, would show the spirit in. which the fbrWrafci sisfced the GoverWenti [The lettery>W*i read with cheers andrcounterseheejii;] The difference botween the oasksJofililr 1 . H. Eichmond and Mr. M'Leaa was that in the one the advice was given by a l , gen* tleman not an officer of the Government and uuable to communicate with the Government, to an officer having a separato' command, who could accept the advice or ' not as he pleased ; while in the other* an agent of the Government, .atfle to; com*. municate with it, to an officer whom ho could control. Had a European force, , sworn in and under engagement,, acte,d. in tho manner in which Eopata and his meat, * had done, they would have been; called deserters and traitors ; and he did not sco any difference between a Maori and an English force. in this respect., Thefepn. member had exaggerated in his remarks about the result attained by our military. operations. The rebels on the West Coast had broken up; and Titpkowaru, with: a. miserable remnant, were endeavoring to gain the assistanceoftheMaoriKingandT.B; Kooti, who had their own affairs to attend to and were not likely to pay, much attention to Titokowaru. He had the authority of several officers for saying that if the successes we had gained wore followed up, the enemy would soon be crushed; and if this were done, we should be in a position to deal with tho little knot, of men in tho interior of the country wn<> supported the King. Daylight wasvvisibio already ; it depended upon thp Houso. that session to bring the country, Tery, soon out of its difficulties. He would. rather be told that ho was drifting thaifc illustrate what the hon. member for the Raugitikei did— the fly on the cart wkee}. They had been carried along by circum* stances which were irresistible. : . Bfa> hoped the House would rise tp the Jevelt of the occasion. He believed the tim# was not very far off when it would have to meet as an independent Legislature, and to deal with all sorts of subjects. .Ho trusted the House would not have to aft* peal to the country, but show itself capable of dealing ably and humanely, wis| this great problem, . .'.-].;■>

Mr. RollestoN; said during last session ho consistently voted against the Govern? mcnt, becauso he had. no confidence ja them, and his opinion had not changed. He felt that the conflict of authority -bet tweon tho Defence and Native Departments could nob but result in those coil? sequences which many members predicted would occur. The hon. gentleman pointed out the inconsistency of the Governments who, he said, would sell the trot}i,.ta bfly tho hour. He severely condemned-^ . appointment of Mr. Haughton as UndecSocrotary for Defence. . The Government wore ruling on sufferance, protraoting ; th.BJP existence at tho loss . of their own. SOKV; respoct and of the rcpect of the ooiintessi Tho hon. gentleman at the head pi, i&o Government, in order to effeot his ;pro« misod saving of £240,000, had.ne^oj^J. to avail; himself of the wUlmguess, Qssto

of £60,000 for M . Armed Constabulary, and had cut down a Tote of £58,000 for Defence to £25,000. Was it astonishing then that the Houso should in the next session betray an un Willingness to vote money which it had before been, told was not needed? Ho had the highest respect for some of the members of ,ths Ministry as individuals; but their different qualitios had not harmoniously blended. Ho had been put in a position of great difficulty by this motion, «ince tho hon. member for Eangitikei had declared no policy. This was not a position in which the House should be placed. He had intended to move an amendment, but found it would not effect fiis object; They way in which it must necessarily be put in order to comply with' tho Standing Orders would havo ini^e it merely servo to prolong the dis- > cusiibn. The time had arrived when they uhito and unanimously support some dovonuiientin whom thoy had confidence. (Ghe^rs). Let them sweep the present ■ Jffinisbr j|way and see if there were men ;itttho Houbo of sufficient ability to induce theHoiMe to unite and support them in carrying ori the business of government. He did not say there were. . Whatever might T)e the ? result of this motion, he looked upon this as the termination of : party strife. What they should first endeavor, to do was to divest tho problem before them of what was impossible. One of the plans put forward for the settlement of th 6 native difficulty was to get Imperial troops. "He believed that Imperial aid was not to be obtained, they were doing themselves wrong in cringing for such aid ; 'He Would not consent to troops being obtained save on condition of the suspension of tijie constitution in the Worth Island. Tkei biker plan was the raising of a loan ; but ft loan could not be raised while hostilities were going on, except at a ruinous rate. We must remainone colony ; the ruin oftheKorthwas.the ruin of the Middle Island, and the settlers of the Middlo Island did not wish to abandon their fellow-settlers in the North. The great principle they had to r^COjjnise was the bringing of tho war upon the [revenue. This might not bo possible just sow ; but any policy that would be accepted by the colony must have this as its key note. Wo must reduce the scale of .our operations to suit our means. The inrwhicli the military settlement . scheme had been carried on was provocative of war. Men who gained their livelihood by war could not be expected to do--Bire the cessation of war. Another principle wo must recognise was — that our iyatem of dofenco must not be connected jjrith the land. We must withdraw from •uoh settlements as we only kept up for the purpose of military settlement. He .would not withdraw from the face of tho enemy; but opportunities had occurred, and would occur again, when settlements likely to involve us in war, could beabandonedto be resumed again at a future time. Fruitless pursuit of the enemy must bo abandoned. Some force must of course be permanently maintained ; we must have a force of well trained soldiers. No good could come from such a force as we had iiow» who were called constabulary and acted as soldiers. Thomaintenance of poace from local disturbance must rest with the inhabitants of the districts themselves ; but disturbances of a more general nature must be dealt with by the colony. It was madness to continue, withoutadofinitesysor object, a course of reckless expenwttre*. We were fighting not with the whole Maori nation, but with men unknowii two years ago. We must induce the natives to renose confidence in us by jjroniptly attending 'to thoir complaints aid redressing grievances. We had acted with far from justice towards tho natives. Sores were constantly kept open which presented our making any approach to the' natives. Complaints were constantly coming in from both the East and West Coasts, which want of management might easily kindle into war. If we attempted a general war we should be driven from ihi» island. Wo must bide our time — tbia waathe only way in which we could ,^^4he difficulty. Unless, before hon. mraibiars left the House, definite prin3SSS • wW&W dowh» there was no hope OTjMwtbrthejfuture. (Cheers.) Mr. 3bown had been greatly disapItemtod in tho speech of tho hon. member for Bangitikei ; and regretted that hon. j&l^eman' had brought forward no policy. 3?ho .colony might congratulate itself if &0 "leader ofithe Opposition never had «nore_to say against the Ministry than Mr. Fox bad aaid. He had promised to lupport Mr. Fox if tho latter brought down a policy of which ho could approve, out, as the hon. gentleman had not done so, he felt bound to vote for the Minis-

M . f , .^ighton said tho present state «*«S as sufficient proof that thafohe Ministry were prepai*. a . *^" don all the principles they hacl ov*. P " fessed if the House would find theiu policy and allow them to retain their seats. It required only a moment's consideration to show that the fact of tho hon; member for Rangitikei not onuncia--ting a policy was no ground for not voting for his motion. ■ The House was asked to consider what the Ministry had dono in the past, not whajs they intended to do in the future i and to say; show us whai? you Will do in the future that will bo better thaii %hat we Have done in tho past, was onjly begging tho question. He believed that if the^xovernment had not interfered with the Native Lands Court at Poverty Bay and Waiapu in 1866 tho rising on the East Coast and tho Poverty Bay massacre would never have occurred ; and they were responsible for those events. According to the Commissioners' opening speech the colony required every means at its disposal to end the war ; while according to Mr. Richmond, the war might be brought to a conclusion in a fow weeks . Which was right? The Government . wejhß vesting their resources by useless movements of troops ; and were to blame for not asking the Middle Island for a contingent. They had not used all the Resources of the colony to suppress this miserable rebellion, and ought to havo employed those coercive measures which they could legally adopt. They should hare applied to the Homo Government I for troops ; ! aftd he believed that if an ap- \ fieal for aid had been mado in a proper , gphrit, both men and money would havo been forthcoming. The nativos on the East* Coast hod been driven into open rebellion by the Commissioner 0f Customs endeavoring to mako a forcible survey of a block which the Native Lands Court had awarded to those who afterwards became rebels. Ho opposed any loans for war purposes, as the nionej' would only bo wasted. The GoTemtiijfcnt had consistently endeavored to the provincial institutions of the edtohy'j and by doing so had groatiy Increased the public burdens. The Gofej^i^tiWW olso to blamo for building expensive structure known as the : A number of departments itnd michinory had been created that were quite unnecessary. Moreover, departments had been created which actually obstructed the business of tho country. He 'looked upon the Marine Act as the greatest possiblo obstruction to the com*

fierce of the colony. He should vote for the motion. Mr. Bunny believed a vote of want of confidence in a Ministry had never been tabled in that House at such a critical period of tho colony at tho present. Ho had listened attentively, but failed to hear a single argument which would justify him in voting to turn out the present Government. The hon. gentleman had not even given the sketch of a policy. Tho Government did not deserve to be blamed for not availing themselves of tho services of Mr. M'Lean at the outbreak of the war, since they offered him a seat in the Cabinet. Moreover, they afterwards appointed him their agent on the East Coast. It was true an unfortunate misunderstanding had arison ; but the Government had no option but to adopt the course they did. Either they or Mr. M'Loan must have given way. He regretted the attack made by the hon. membor upon Colonel Whitmore; since tho commander of tho forces ought to receive the supEprt of that House. The hon. gentleman ad charged the Colonial Secretary with levity ; but what could be Baid of the hon. gentleman (Mr. Fox), on such an occasion, reading an imaginary letter from Titokowaru. The hon. gentleman's speech might be summed up by saying that it contained no policy, was full of abuse, and nothing beyond it. The House could not in the present circumstances of tho colony place the hon. gentleman in office for any policy ho had enunciated, and could not do so when it considered his past policy. The Opposition had no policy ; there was evidently a division in their camp ; while tho Government had clearly foreshadowed their policy in the Commissioners' Speech, which pointed out the necessity of vigorous action and the raising of a loan. Ho^ should like to sco the hon. membor bring down a policy, in order that the House might judge between ifcs merits and that of the Government policy. The policy of Mr. Rolleston was not likely to meet with any great support in the House. They all know that the war was pressing heavily upon the south ; but it must be admitted that tho two islands were one colony. Sevoral members ha*d said outside the House that if a loan were raised, it would result in separation. He should like this separation question settled. The public creditors would tako care not to release the solvent debtor. Those who wore trusting upon tho hope of obtaining troops wore leaning upon a broken reed. Even if wo got troops they would be withdrawn as soon as the war was over, and wo should bo in the same position as before. The solf-roliance policy must be carried out, and ho should like to see it carried out by Europeans alono, without the aid of friendly natives. All other matters were but secondary to the native question, but he must say a word about tho provincial question. He would ask thoso gentlemen who complained of the interference of tho General Government, what they were going to do with the provinces in financial embarrassments. Was Wellington tc continue in its present state ? The House would bo bound to deal with this question, and ho hoped it would pass some measure abolishing provincial institutions altogether. This war must be put down by the North and South Islands together, and it could only be done by the maintonanco of a competent; force, which would have to be paid for. Tho hon. gentleman concluded by urging the House to support tho present Ministry. Mr. Oemond moved the adjournment of the debate until 7 p.m. on Tuesday. Tho Houso adjourned at midnight until Tuesday next.

EESUJIBD DEBATE. (From the "Evening Post," Juno 23.) Mb. Obmond resumed tho debate. [His speech was roprinted in last Hebald.] Colonel Haultain came noxt with one of the longest speeches he has ever been known to make, one upwards of two hours' duration. He declared that he had lis toned to Mr. Ormond's speech with shame and humiliation, although well acquainted with his animus against the Government, and his personal animosity towards Colonel Whitmore. The way that Mr. Ormond had spoken was disgraceful, knowing, as he did, that Colonel Whitmore was absent from the front owing to ill-health, that he had been so ill as to be obliged to be carried for days on a litter, and that he was afterwards for a time confinod to bed. Speaking of Colonel M'Donnell, Colonel Haulfcain praised him highly as a gallant officer, and denied that tho Government had ever cast odium on him, although after his voluntary resignation they did not think fit to restore him to his command, they having made other arrangements, and Colonel Whitmore, the only man they believed really capable of taking the command, having in a most wonderfully generous manner placed his services at their disposal. Colonel Haultain then went on at great length to reply to tho various criticisms made by members of the Opposition on tho mihfcary operations on the East and West Joists, and i>o reply to tho charges brought against the officers in command and the Government Speaking of Mr. M'Lean, he admitted jul^ intimate knowledge of native affairs—me %re intimate than that of any other man in ti^e colony—but he donied that Mr. M'Lean j>d much influonco for good with the nati\ '<"*, or that anyone had except the person who held the purso strings, and ho referred' to Sir Georgo Grey's miserable failure witK% personal influence as a proof. Mr. OrmOnd had spoken of tho Government finding it difficult to get tho East Coast nativos to work for them. The Government had found it difficult, but the difficulty had entirely ceased since that gentleman aroci M'Lean had left Napier. After reviewing the military operations of the past year, Col. Ilaultain went on to dofend the Govornment from tho charge of having done less to provide for defence than Mr. Weld had done. Mr. Weld had asked first for 1,500 men, but had afterwards said 600 wotxlcl bo enough. Mr. Stafford and himself had asked for 1,136 men, besides military settlers, whom Mr. Weld intonded to strike off pay. When he took office ho had askod for £107,000 for defenco, and it was not until after a positive assurance from Sir Georgo Grey that ho intended to station tho ono regular rogimont at Taupo that ho (Colonel Haultain) consented, aftor the House refusing to voto tho sums askod, to join Mr. Stafford's second Ministry and accept a considerably less vote for defence. He quoted speeches made by Dr. Feathorston, Mr. Fitzgerald and others, to show that the Government had asked for far more than Mr. Weld or the Houso thought necessary at the time. He then went on to notice the calumnios and charges which had been heaped on himself personally both in and out of the House. It had, ho said, been his fortune to hold office when nine out of ten men in tho service wero being dismissed, and each of the nine became his enomv. Again, ho had held office when a furious war broke out, and all who suffered by it abused him. Ho had been accused of incompetency, and ho admitted that ho was incompotont to satisfy the impatient tax-payers of tho South, and protect the scattered settlers of the North at one and the same time, and

without the requisite means, but during the four yoars which he had held office, those who knew him best had supported aud encouraged him. Had it not boon for the cordial support and approval of his colleagues, he could not have endured the opprobrium heaped on him on all sides, but had they ever thought him incompetent or inefficient, and ho had often invited such an expression of opinion, he would at onco and most willingly have given place to any other more competent gcntloman who could have been found to tako his place. Tho gallant colonel sat down amidst cheers, and Mr. Carleton then moved the adjournment of tho debate. SUPPLY. Mr. Stafford moved the House into Committee, to vote a supply not exceeding £30,000 for the payment of certain arrears of pay, which it was necessary should bo disbursed, so as to discharge some of the intended recipients. Mr. Yogel asked for explanations, and Mr. Stafford gave them, and then a discussion ensued, in which Mr. Yogel, Mr. Bell, Colonel Haultain, Mr. Richmond, Mr. Hall, and Mr. Stafford took part. The discussion was just such a one as is usual when Ministers, who havo a strong Opposition to contend against, ask for money to cover an overappropriation. Opposition membors "want to know, you know." They take that opportunity of asking questions which possibly they might not get answered satisfactorily at other timos, and Ministers are generally especially communicative;- Yesterday the discussion as to whether this vote should assume the shape of a bill, an imprest, or some other official form, had been got over, and the monoy was about to be voted, when Mr. Yogel said that he did not think it fitting for a Ministry to be asking for a vote (to cover excess of appropriation) during the time a no confidence vote was hanging over their hoad. At this Mr. Stafford fired up, believing Mr. Yogel to imply that they would be made to pay it out of their pocket, than which we suppose nothing was further from Mr. Vogel's thoughts, and in a very angry manner Mr. Stafford abandoned the vote and walked out of tho House. Mr. Hall endeavoured to induco the committee to fix a day to sit again, but his good intentions were frustrated by the return to the House of Mr. Stafford, who angrily adhered to his determination, dofied tho Opposition, defied everybody and everything, and preferred to let the whole matter go to Hanover rather than tho committee should sit again. Unfortunately, Mr. Yogel was not in his seat when Mr. Stafford made this intemperate exhibition, or it would certainly not havo ended whero it did, as Vogol's remarks, instead of boing " gross and impertinent," as Mr. Stafford said they were, were nothing more than one of ordinary everyday occurrence.