PROVINCIAL COUNCIL.

Taranaki Herald, Volume XVI, Issue 822, 25 April 1868, Page 3

PROVINCIAL COUNCIL.

Tho Chairman then put tho clause as read, which was carried by tho voices. Mr. Em.iot called for a division which resulted as follows :—: — Ayiis, G : Messrs. Gledhill, Kelly, Kyugdon, Looney, Upjohn, Voalo. Noks, 2 : Messrs. Elliot, and Tatton. . Clanso -4 and -preamble wero thou read and passed. . , Tho Council thon resumed, and ' tho ilill as agreed in Committee was thon reporiod tind rou<l a third timo'a'nd passed. r ' • • •«•« • - EDUCATION BII,T>. ' Tho Pisovixcial Secret auy then moved .that tho ; Spoa j kor < ,Uo loavo tho chair and go into Comtnitfeb on this Bill. In'moting tho" Vending* of Claustf'lr*' Tho Education Commission Ordin&iico 1557, Session V. No. 4 is hereby repealed," he said hitherto this Ordinance had' proved a dead lettor'and was in qvery rcsiaccfc a useless ono. Mr. GitOMM'o.v did uofc think that the Ordinanoo was- such a dead letter ns'thb Provincial Soorotary just made out. .But two of tho commissioners woro dead aud no pcrsous wero appointed to supply their places. Tho present Bill he thought Was utterly unfit, and -would prove unworkable. Ho would prefer thafc Commissioners should be appointed to inquire into the subject. 110 thought' tno Commissioners 'shoukl'mcot' aud report on th' 6' prosout stato of education hero, and its requirements. The present Bill was only a model of one which had been' formed for irplaco whore a certain scute of society - existed, whioh.' did not '.exist in Now Plymouth. • • '■' Mr. Kyxgoo.v wished to know tho names of the Commissioners. • Mr. Cuomi'Ton said it consisted of Messrs. Browu, Cutfiokly and King, who had eout up a , report which would- carry oub his 'views. Thoro wero bouio pursous however, who' iSfcrougly ob-' jected to fchtj denominational bystem; he however differed iv opiuiou, liuwai for tho deuomiuatioual , — thoroughly for the donominatiooal system. Tho Fkovj.ncial-..Seckktahy did uocagreo with tho lasfc speaker. Tho Commissioners hud > not clone anyttiiug, they had sent ia ouo report, but what good had that douc. Ho liked to look <at •tbo results. The old Ordinance ;wus •• ftmncl im-' ' practiciiblo iv its working, and ho' wished to sco something, practical taLo its p'aqe. Tho >B\H had beon boforo the numbers bomo timo, and ho therefore thought that tho lion, member waited to try and shelve tlie Bill. " -, . Mr. CRUMI'TON did not want to shelvq the Bill,' bat thought that time (should bo' giv6u i to tho Gomm'issionors to mako a report. ' no would prefer i tho matter being ' adjourned, < that. hup Commissioners might ascertain what the' opinions of tiio public woru ou tuo subject. Mr. OuiOiiiLb thoughb tho report should bo brought down and rojUl, they might purhaps get some valaabld suggestions ' from it. -The PrtoviNCiAL .BucitBTAUX- did; .notjsoo itho ' necessity of "postponing 'thY JSill, .they, all had ample timo to 'consider it.' 'Ho ' wished to ; seo something done. , If tho first clauso was' passed, ho had uo objection, thon to an .adjournment. , ' Mr. Cuoiii'TON said as thoy wore. in committeo lio could not go into tho principles of tho Bill^' still he-mighl say that ho was improssod with a strong feeling ugainsfc it.' Ib was a dingeraus Bill. 110 would ask tho Chairman to ropor.b progress with leavo to sit again. Mr. Ui'John v\as iv favour of? tho Bill. Ho, did not believe iv having to wait for the Commls-' siouors to report on tiio question, for they w'cro somqthing.Jiko a committee appointedittt.il public meetiugaiong time since, to consider tho financial position 'of tho provinco, when tho Couucil was requested to 'withhold tho estimates until the report, of that committeo wa3 published, yot although somo niontli3 had passed, thoy_ had heard nothing of tho committee or tho roport. Grcdb changes had taken placo sinco tho Bill of 1 1557 was pasaeil, yet nothing .rfas done to further education in tho Province.. 110 wishod-tosoo-education fußtoied iv tho Proviuco, wjiercas if "tho motion of tho hon. member for O&iuta waa carried, it would stilllo tho Bill for tho sc/ision. 'Ho.»tli*4Ughb a poatpoaoment of tho Bill highly -improper.'* . .. .' m Mr,. CuourTON did not a'greo.with tho lasfc spda'kcr, for tho work of tho, Comruisaipners might bo done in a fortnight, but ho would witli"draw the-suggestion ho had made, aud move that -•the Bill ho referred to a Select Committee, with ■power, to call for persons and papers. The Provincial Skcketaky did not approvo of the 'motion.- Ho thought tho public bad had .sufficient timo to consider tho present Bill. He did not look forward to the Select Committoe doing any good, nor did ho expect thoy would bripgto lighc,any,thiug now>Qt".g6fc thp expression of tho"publig s ',by^takiug l fi Jrvt'go number of the I inhabitants' and. . examining them. 110 was opposed, lo,t ho .appointing of a Seleqt Conunittce, but' would npt'bUbf arfy objection' if this Couir ■rrti'tteb'-Hiorfght'iiydesinibJo. ' •'' » 3 . ; Mr. JCvtjGDUN called tho attention' of tho'Committeo to tho number of members abspnfc, and thoughfcthat it was not right that so ( few persons shoulil go on with the fefll." . Mr.- Uf.toivn said" that there Woro only fivo moinbors whon they passed tho.last Bill. - Greater part of tho busiucss'of this Council waa, don'o' with only seven members. . '»","' Mr- Ki'Noooj? thought the present Bill was 'too ■important to'hurry" through tiio Conimitteo, hud suggested that the Couucil should 1 rosumu, fan'tl tho [Speaker be empowered to,ißsao. a special 1 circular e.illiut; upon tho members to; attend. ) * Tho PjiowsGiai, Suckktary thoughV tho post', poncmenfi unnecessary.' Mr CiiOiiPTON theu moved thafc. the ! Chairman report progress, and ask.lpaye.lo sit again, and a division boing called for, ruaultodas follows : — •'■ Ayks 5;. Messrs. Crompton, Elliot, Gledhilli. Kyngdon, and Vcalc. • -"• \ ' , 'Nocs'2 .-Messrs. Kelly, 'and ■Upjohn. „Th r o Counqiljth(|n rosumod. '..'• UOAD COiniISSIONHU'S LOAN BlUi. ! On tho mption of the Provincial Secretary I ,' the Councirwenfc into Committeo on this Bill; ' ' ' Clauso 1-read. ' " ; , Mr. Ufjoiin said that ho thought somo alte-, rdtio.us shbpld bo. madp.in this clause.' A public meeting of the ratepayers should bo first called j and tho consent ,of fcho majority ouiained, before thp^Commib'sicJ^crs shonld. havo power to borrow "money. > *" •• • - ' ' A discussion then." ensuod ( 'as fo.whdthei' .the majority should bo two-thirds of the ratepayers present at the meeting or two-thirds of, tht?m fii" the disVricfc, .finally thd Provincial " Secretary agreed to embody tho views of tho Committee in an ainonded clauso. i '■ On ■ rnotioii -of tho (Provincial ' Srcretary , cl&uso 2 w.as)slrnak out of tho Bill. r » The, so vei-dl o^hjir clauses wero then agreed to, progress was reported and leavo obtained to sit again on next sitting day. The Council then, resumed and adjourned at ihalf-pasfc's o'clock until'T nebdtuy heifc attrfc usnjil hour. . . - , , j . ;