UNIVERSITY SENATE.

Lyttelton Times, Volume LXV, Issue 7807, 13 March 1886, Page 6

UNIVERSITY SENATE.

- Friday,-'March 12. • The Senate resumed at 10 a.m.; present -—The Chancellor (in the chair), the ViceChancellor, 'Mr Fitchett, Professor Cook, the Rev Dr Salmond, Dr M'Gregor, Professor Shand, Mr Curtis, Mr, Stout, Professors Sale, J. M. Brown, the Kev Habens, the Rev Mr Bruce, the Eight Rev Dr Come, and the Hon W. Rolleston. Professor J. M. Brown brought up the report of the Committee on selection ot •Authors and Periods, consideration of wbieh was ordered to be made an Order of the Day for Monday, March 15. The Hon "W". Relleston brought up the foUowing report of the Business Commits" The Committee recommend —1. That the Committee appointed to enquire as to a, satisfactory scheme for graduation in Arts and Science consist of Professor J. M. Browne Professor Shand, the Hon W. Rolleston, the Rev Mr Habens, Professor F. D. Brown, Professor Sale, and the Chancellor (Chairman). 2. That the Committee on the preliminary Medical Examination consist of Dr M'Gregor, the Rev Mr Habens, Mr Fitchett, Sir G. M. O'Rorke, Professor Shand, and the Chancellor (in the chair)." On the motion of the Hon Mr Rolleston, it was resolved—" That the recommendations of the Committee be agreed to." Professor F. D. Brown brought up the report of the Committee on the subjects of. Natural Science, consideration of which was ordered to be made an Order of the Day for Monday, March 15. Professor Shand brought up the report of the Committee on a course of Pedagogy, consideration of which was ordered to be made an Order of the Day for Monday, March 15. . The Senate proceeded to consider tne Orders of the Day : 1. Further consideration of the report of the Tinline Scholarship Committee. The Senate resolved itself into Committee for the consideration of this question, the Vice-Chancellor in the chair.

On the Senate resuming, The vice-Chancellor brought up the following report of the Committee of the Whole Senate: — "The Committee recommend —1. That the gift be accepted, and that the Chancellor be requested to convey to Mr Tinline the thanks of the Senate therefor. 2. That the Chancellor be empowered to affix the seal of the .University to the deed ■when engrossed. 3. That a statute be framed setting forth the conditions subject to which the scholarship may be competed for, awarded, and held. 4. That copies of the said Statute, as soon as passed by the Senate, be sent to all the affiliated institutions. 5. That the Chancellor be empowered to invest the funds in any of the modes of investment authorised by the deed. 6. That the deed be referred to a Select Committee, consisting of the Eev Dr Salmond, Mr Fitchett, Professor F. D. Brown, the Hon W. Kolleston, the Rev Mr Habens, Professor J. M. Brown, and Professor Sale."

On the motion of the Vice-Chancellor, it was resolved—" That the recommendations of the Committee be agreed to." 2; Consideration of the following report of the Committee on framing or amending statutes.—The Committee recommend that a proposal to alter a statute, or a section of a statute, must be made in the form of a statute, showing by erasure the words proposed to be struck out, and in italics the words proposed to be inserted or added. On the motion of the Hon Mr Stout, it was resolved—" That the report be referred back to the Committee for further consideration." 8. Further consideration of the matters contained in the Chancellor's report. The Senate resolved itself into Committee for the consideration of these questions, the Vice-Chancellor in the chair. On the Senate resuming, The Vice-Chancellor brought up the following report of the Committee of the Whole Senate. ■ The Committee recommend —1. "That the question of the course in Science, postponed i from last session, be referred to the Committee of Graduation in Arts and Sciences. 2. That the question of the examination of teachers for classification be referred to the Committee to be appointed to consider a course in pedagogy, and that Dr M'Gregor be added to the Committee. 3. That a resolution, recording the services of Dr Carpenter to the University, be' passed by the Senate. 4. That the Chancellor be empowered to obtain from the Professors of the Colleges on whose books are the names of undergraduates exempted under the statute, ' Forms aud Lectures' papers for the annual examinations of such undergraduates, and also be empowered to appoint supervisors where necessary. 5. That the Hon W. Rolleston be added to the Committee appointed to consider the irregularity of a candidate at the November examination, 1885, and the omission of a candidate to pass a practical examination in science." '■"*■ On the motion of the Vice-Chancellor it was,resolved —"That the recommendations of the Committee be agreed to." 4. Consideration of the following report of the Committee on disabilities of Colonial medical graduates :t-" The Committee on disabilities of medical graduates find that there are just two points to be considered, j viz., the drawing up of a letter to the Home Secretary and the state of our law regarding the right of our graduates to be registered in New Zealand. The Committee recommend that the following letter be adopted:—The Honourable the Secretary of State for the Home Department. The: petition of the Senate of the University of Ifew Zealand humbly showeth—l. That by Eoyal letters patent, isaued under Bign manual of Her Majesty the Queen on the 9th day of July, 1876, the degrees granted by the University of New Zealand are entitled to rank, precedence, and consideration in the United Kingdom and in all British Colonies and possessions as fully as if the said degrees had been granted by any University in the United Kingdom. 2. That the University of New Zealand ha 3 carefully drawn up its scheme of medical education, so as to meet in the fullest sense both the spirit and letter of the Eegulations of the General Council of Medical Education and Eegistration of the United Kingdom; that, as may be seen in the copy of our Calendar sent herewith, the greatest care has been taken th&t all teachers in our medical curriculum should possess the highest possible qualifications, and that the Professors of Anatomy and Physiology, Chemistry, Biology, Surgery, Practice of Medicine and Medical Jurisprudence and Public Health, have all either been appointed with the approval of, and have been sanctioned by, the University of Edinburgh for its own examinations, or have previously lectured in British Medical Schools; and, further, that the course-of medical study required by thiß University meets in the fullest way the requirements of the British Medical Council (Calendar, pages 65—80), and is in some respects more stringent, especially as regards the standard of preliminary study, than those of almost any British University: 3. That, notwithstanding these facts, our degrees in medicine and surgery do not entitle our graduates to practise within the United Kingdom, nor to be registered as legally qualified medical practitioners in the United Kingdom, however long they may be domiciled therein, nor to take medical or surgical charge of passenger vessels under the Board of Trade; and fuatber, that the actual effect of all this is tfcat the Eoyal letters patent granted to ' tfi|B University are made of no avail, seeing that all our efforts to establish a Medical • School which shall command the confidence of the public are thwarted at tb« j

very stage of its existence at which it most requires encouragement and support. 4. This Senate would therefore humbly submit that the grievance complained of should be removed, and that our graduates should be recognised as fully as British graduates are in this Colony. 5. That inasmuch as the Medical Act Amendment Bill now before the House of Lords pro'vides tl w-hat we desire, your petitioners would humbly pray that Her Majesty's Government may use every means to pass the said Bill into law as speedily as possible. " Signed on behalf of the Senate of the University of New Zealand."

A question has been raised incidentally about the position of the graduates of this University in Medicine and Surgery in regard to registration in the Colony. " The premises of the Act of 1869 are not sufficiently clear. Provision has been made for the registration of any graduate, provided he has the right to practise anywhere. The New Zealand Medical Act, 1883, giving power to the University to grant degrees, does not declare that the persons on whom degrees are conferred have the right to be registered and to practise, and it is only by interpreting the 1869 Act liberally and invoking the aid of the Royal Charter that our graduates can be registered in our own Colony. The Committee therefore recommend that in order to definitely settle this question the Legislature be petitioned to amend the Act of 1869 by including New Zealand graduates among those entitled to register in this Colony. On the motion of Dr M'Gregor, it was resolved—" That the recommendations of the Committee be agreed to." On the motion of Dr M'Gregor, it was resolved—" That the Chancellor be • empowered to take such further action in the matter of the disabilities of Colonial Medical graduates as is practicable." 5. Consideration of the following report of the Committee on the Reports of Affiliated Institutions:—" The report from St John's College, Auckland, shows that lectures have been given five days in each week during the past year in Latin, Greek and mathematics. The number of the teaching staff is not given. The report also shows that a course of in physiology has been given, but the time devoted to the lectures is not stated; and physiology is not one of the subjects prescribed for the B.A. degree. It does not appear from the report that regular lectures have been given in any,other subject. The report of University College, Auckland, shows that that institution has satisfied the requirements of the Statute. The report of Nelson College shows that regular lectures have been given throughout the year in Greek, Latin, English, mathematics, history and political economy, French, chemistry. No information is given of the number of the teaching staff; and it is not, therefore, possible to gather from the report whether 'the three years' course of instruction required in tbe conditions of affiliation is duly supplied.' From Canterbury College and Ofcago University no reports have been forwarded beyond the class lists of undergraduates required by Clause IV. of the Statute. With regard to the disaffiliation of Bishopdale College, which took place last year, the principal of the College (whose letter was referred to the Committee by the Senate) seems to have misapprehended the grounds on which that disaffiliation took place. The College was disaffiliated, not because of the insufficient number of subjects on which examinations were held, but because the report failed to show that the three years' course of instruction required in the conditions of affiliation was dnly supplied. The principal's letter refers only to examinations, and does not attempt to show that sufficient provision has been made to supply the instruction required by the Statute." On the motion of Professor Sale, it was resolved—" That St John's College, Auckland, cease to be an affiliated College of the University." The Senate resolved itself into Committee for the further consideration of the Report, the Chancellor in the chair. On the Senate resuming, The Chancellor brought up the following Report of the Committee of the Whole Senate:— "The Committee recommend—l. That the attention of the authorities of the Nelson College, the Canterbury College, and the University of Otago be drawn to section 111 of the Statute, Affiliated Institutions. 2. That the paragraphs of the report dealing with Bishopdale College be approved by the Senate." It was resolved —"That the recommendations of the Senate be agreed to." 6. Consideration of the following report of the Finance Committee:—"The Committee submit the following estimate of the income and expenditure of the University for the current year:—General account.— Income : Government grant, £3000; fees, and sale of calendar and examination .papers, £700; interest, £25; refund from Bowen prize fund, £3O; total income, £3755. Expenditure: Expenses of Senate, including • Bpecial session, £420 ; office, £450; printing, advertising, and contingencies, £l3O ; examinations, £1500;' Scholarships (transfer from general account £ISOO, less cost of scholarship examinations, £4OO) —£1100; total expenditure, £3600; surplus, £155. It should be noted that the last item of income, amounting to £3O, is an incidental re-payment, which will not again occur. The expenditure also above set down will be increased by about £IOO in the event of the necessity arising for renting offices for the University. Thus there is no free margin available for any fresh charges on the University funds. The first three items of expenditure, amounting, together to about £IOOO, vary a little from year to year, but are not liable to any great or sudden increase. The expenditure on examinations, on the other hand, is increasing at a rapid rate. Thus the whole cost of the University examinations amounted in 1882 to £1095, in 1883 to £1137, and in 1884 to £1459. The sums received in fees for the same years amounted to" £293 in 1882, to £355 in 1883, and to £490 in 1884. Thus the cost of the examinations has increased more rapidly than the fees received from the candidates. The Committee believe that there is no cause for immediate apprehensions, but it is clear that this item of expenditure requires to be carefully watched. The balance standing at the credit of the general account on Jan. 1 last was £1702 5s lid. Scholarship account.—Receipts : Transfer from general account, less cost of scholarship examinations, £1100; interest on fixed deposits, £325; total receipts, £1425. Liabilities : Junior scholarships Seven, gained December, 1883, £315; eight, gained December, 1884, £360 ; eight, gained December, 1885, £360; total, £1035. Senior scholarships—Two, gained November, 1885, £l2O ; total liabilities, £1155 ; surplus, £270. The accounts show that a sum of £451 33 was charged against the scholarship account as the cost of the scholarship examinations. The Committee consider that the former estimate of £4OO is quite as much as it is fair to charge, as the proportionate cost of the scholarship examinations,' and recommend that the excess of £sl 33 be repaid to the scholarship account. This will enable the sum of £321 38 to be added to the accumulated scholarship fund, which at present amounts to £6814 15s 9d. The state of the scholarship account warrants the Committee in recommending that the usual number of eight junior and six senior scholarships be offered for competition at the end of the present year. The Committee recommend that, the accounts of the University for 1885, which have been duly audited, be passed by the Senate." ' The-Senate resolved itself into Comj mittee for "the consideration of this quesr tion, the Vice-Chancellor in the chair. On the Senate resuming, The Vice-Chancellor brought up the

following report of the Committee of the Whole Senate •: ™, " The Committee recommend—l. Inatthe sum of .£sl 3s be refunded to the general account from the scholarship account. 2. That a Select Committee be appointed to enquire as to the powers of investment possessed by the University. 3. That eight junior scholarships and six senior scholarships' be offered for competition this year. 4. That the accounts for the year iBBS be passed by the Senate." On the motion .of the Vice-Chancellor, it was resolved—" That the recommendations of the Committee be agreed to." The Chancellor laid on the table copies of the Calendar of the Canterbury College forlßSo. The Hon W. Rolleston brought up the further report of the Committee on framing or amending the Statutes, consideration of which, together with the former report, was ordered to be made an Order of the Day for Saturday, March 13. On the motion of the Vice-Chancellor, it was resolved—" That the Senate express its regret for the loss which the University has sustained by the death of Dr Carpenter, whose services in England have been so freely given, and have been of so great value to the University." It was moved by the Hon R. Stout—- " That in the opinion of the Senate a Bill should be introduced into Parliament next session to give effect to the recommendations of the Eoyal Commission of 1878-9 on the subject of the New Zealand University; that if the foregoing resolution be agreed to, the Senate do resolve itself into Committee of the Whole to consider the Bill that was prepared by the Eoyal Commission for giving effect to these recommendations, clause by clause." On the motion of the Rev Mr Habens, it was resolved that the debate be adjourned till the next sitting day. The Senate proceeded further to consider the Orders of the Day. 8. Consideration of the following report of the Committee on the Course in Science: —" The Committee appointed to consider certain paragraphs of the Chancellor's report relate ing to the Statutes prescribing the course in Science, report as follows: 1. That honours in Science do not, and in the Committee's opinion ought not to, constitute a right to the degree of M.A. 2. rhat XVIII, section V, clearly places Bachelors of Science on the same footing as Bachelors of Arts with respect to Senior Scholarships. 3. That the discrepancy between the general declaration as to the scope and the detailed definitions of subjects in Science will be obviated if the Statute resolved upon last session (minutes, p. 47)" be now made. 4. That there is a discrepancy between the definition for natural Science in the syllabus for the Science degree and the corresponding definition for the Arts degree, the demand for a certificate of practical examination being omitted from the syllabus for the Science degree. 5. That it would be well to follow the precedent set this year in dividing the matriculation passes into passes for Arts or for Science or .for both, and to allow a candidate who has passed for Science but not for Arts, or vice versA, to take up, if he chooses, at the end of his first year, and as a condition of completing his first year's terms, the matriculation subject; or subjects in which he so failed as. to disqualify him for matriculation in the faculty in which he desires to proceed to a degree. 6. That any junior scholar may enter his name as a matriculated student either in Arts or in Science, as he may elect. 7. That it is advisable to have one Statute instead of two to determine the conditions of matriculation, and that it is not expedient to place the same syllabus of a subject in two separate Statutes, as is now done in the case of subjects common to the Arts and Science courses."

The Senate resolved itself into Committee for. the consideration of this question, the Vice-Chancellor in the chair. On the Senate resuming, the Vice-Chan-cellor brought up the following report of the Committee of the Whole Senate. The Committee recommend —" 1. That honours in the Science course do not, under existing Statutes, constitute a right to the degree of M. A. 2. That the Statutes referred to in Professor Shand's motion, on page 27 of the minutes of last session, be made at this session. 3. That the precedent set this year in dividing the matriculation passes and passes for Arts or for Science, or for both, be followed next year. 4. That the question of candidates passing for matriculation in Arts and desiring to complete matriculation in Science, or vice versd,, be referred to the Recess Committee on the Course in Science. 5. That any junior scholar may enter his name as a matriculated student either in Arts or in Science as he may elect. 6. That on page 40 of the Calendar, section 7, after the words ' pure mathematics,' the words ' two papers' be inserted in lieu of 'three papers,' and that subjects (a) and (6) be combined in one paper,. to be marked (a), and that paper (c) be marked (6)." 8. Consideration of the following report of the Committee appointed to consider the letter from the Head Master of Christ's College:—" The Committee report that there being an application from only one of the many schools in New Zealand, there is no sufficient reason for re-opening the question as to the time of the matriculation examination." The Senate resolved itself into Committee for the consideration of this question, the Vice-Chancellor in the chair. On the Senate resuming,

The Vice-Chancellor reported progress. Leave was given to the Committee to sit again to-morrow. The Senate adjourned at 4.30 p.m. till 10 a.m. on Saturday.