CORRESPONDENCE. THE BISHOP OF WELLINGTON AND SECRET SOCIETIES.

Daily Southern Cross, Volume XXX, Issue 5312, 2 September 1874, Page 3

CORRESPONDENCE. THE BISHOP OF WELLINGTON AND SECRET SOCIETIES.

To tho Kditor : Sir,- It is well, cvon for Bishops Right llovorond, bo they Protestant «.r ltomau Catholic, to givo an unmistakcahle utterance renpeoting thoir viuwh, no matter if in a pantoial or a letter to tho public Press ; and I do not regret wo Rhould Siavo had Mich an ouiuomu from the [Ionian Cutholio liiahop of Wo-llington in your hmio of tho 15th instant, for it givos nn oppoitunity to mark woll ita contents, and soothu spint, not alono of tho man, but of tho principles ruling and Kovenrng lna (Jhuic'i, which romains to-day us in tho <wi\ 4 of tho "auto da fe," when iho In juiMition was ov»r ready for work. .Surely the Bishop has lost his memory, oi ho would not havii spokoti so, in this day of iuuli^lit who^c relkctive power is bo tint even '.ho snerots of tho inonaatorics and ihiiiuitils are all", ctod by if. I *ak the Iti^lil 1! >v. prolate what is tho Sociotyof Joans, of which tlie JcHiuta are composed "' Wb»i wna its aim whon lir.st instituted? S i< ri'ey, tho first command. 15y what moans .' Ity any power known or until then u ikuown. 1 trmt »lio Hiihop of AVclhngton wdl not stuinblo itgnio on such sociotios as tho Orungumen, <to , who have in their co lo of la\is tr.ntH of (ho highest moral at ui l.u<l, aiitl a lovo of lihorty. — 1 am, to., Vkkiiy. [TIiih corrtspondenoe is clone d.— Ku.J

Men often admit that they sutler from tight boots, but tlul you ever hoar a lady confess ao much '! Not any. Their bIioub aio always "a nulotoobig." And that nulo genoi ally produces anything but a smilo on their faces,

TIIK W.iirMlATV NOMTN VTlOv YiesritKiiAY, at noon, the noni. nation i<t c mdidatea for the rotuin of a member for tho electoral diatnct of WaitomaU took place in tho J)ovonport H.ill. There was a fair attendance) of electors on tho occa u u)n. Tho Kk'hirnim; ()i nciiR (Colonel Balncavia) le.ultho wnt authorising tho loturn of a mcmlx-r to sei vo in Parliament for the district of Waitemara, also tho advertisement winch ho had inserted in tho newspapers calling tho present meeting for that purpose). In tho event e>f more than ono candidalo boms; proposed, and if a poll woro demanded by tho candidate who had the smallest nhow of hands, a poll would l>e held on tho 8th inatant. He thon called upon tho electors pteaont to nonnnato an eligible oandidato to represent tho district in tho Gouerul Assembly. Mr. 1). Bl/kN propoaod "Mr. (Justave Von der Hoydo as a fit and propor porson to rcprcBent the diatiict of WaitomaU in Pailiamout." Jlo had done ao on the form or occasion aud did so again, although at the tiino ho proposed tho aaino gentleman beforo ho diel not think that ho would ao soon havo t<> pcrfoun that eluty again. Mr. John Be>M, wti> had ploaauro in nrcondmg tho uomiuation of Mr. Von der J ley do. Mr. John L\Mr., of Itivorhoael mills, propoaeel "Mr. .Johu Sangstor Macfarlane as a lit and proper porson to represent tho district of Waitomata in tho Pailiamcnt of New Zealand," In doing so he said lie had ploaauro in intimating that he had known Mr. J. 3. Macfarlano for the last sixteen years — in fact over sinco ho (Mr. Lamb) had como to the colony, and he would liko to seo many inoro of the merchants in Auckland taking tho same interest in furthering tho industries of tho place as Mr. Macfailauo had done. If they looked around them and flaw what Mr. Macfarlane had done, tkey would see that Mr. Maofarlane's hand, and purse too, were stamped upon many of the industries amongst thorn. There was also one thing which should bo paid attention to — not ono of thoao industries in which Mr. Macfarlano had taken an active part in establishing had failed. (Cheers.) llo was .still amongst them, and apondiug iu tho country. it was uuoh men as Mr. Macfarlane that they needed to represent them in Parliament — men who had a stake in tho country, and men who took a pride in seeing it go-ahead. They wantod tho.se to ropreneut them in Parliament who wore associated with tin in in the induatried of the colony. If thi'y got Mr. M icfail uiu r< turne 1 to Parliament they would do 'veil. Ho had known him, and had dono business uiih him for a great many years, and v»aa bine thai if ho woro returned to Parliament he would Horvo tho dull let w< 11. Ho must not shut his oyei to the fact that tho house of Mossis. Henderson and Maelailano had also done well to their adopted country, hut the most good that ho u ho had done was before Mr. Von der Hoydo became connncUd with it. He hopod to long si e that house very prosperous, but he coiiM not htlp thinking that their lato member h "I n< t treated tho eluotors of Waitemat i fuuly. Their late member knew for boiii-j timo bt fore he wont away that he was going, and he (Mr. Lamb) considered it was then his duty to hare placed his resignation in tho hands of hii irionda, so that a member could havo beon returned to servo during the past session of Parliament. He had spoken to Mr. Henderson upon tho subject, but nothing was done, and during the past eoision tho district had really boen unrepresented sivn fur tho short tuno that Mr. Von der lleydo was there. Mr. Henderson hid ac ed somewhat similarly befoie, and ho did not t'.ink it was a fair way to treat tho electors of that distriot. They had lost tho lautsess'ou in cons <|uetu:o of Mr. Hcndorsou'd lotning, and Mr. Von der Hey do's election having been found to bo illegal. But hi 1 eiuebtionud very much if they elected Mr. Von dor Hoyde on tho preBont occasion, whether ho would bo eligible. His naiuo was on tho roll before ho wax a naturalised British subject, and if ho was incapable of holding his seat affc'-r ho was elected from this causo, ho very much doubtoel whether the same objection would not hold good in provonting his name being on tho roll for the prosent. He had now been naturalised, and he could get hi* name on the next roll as a British subject, but no new roll had been prepared ainco he was naturalised. At a nomination tho Returning Officor could say to a man, you shall not take part in the meoting because your name is not upon tho roll, and he thought an equal objection might bo made in admitting tho name of ono who was at the time his namo was placeel on the roll not a British subject. ble stated tho caso in that way because ho behoved legal authority had said so. They should bo careful as to whom they •looted, ao as not to have tho election to go over again. Besides, he had an objection to the way in which Mr. Von dor Heyde had voted when he was at Welli lgton in respect to not paying for a licemo to that high house up on there on the hill. (Liughtar.) If they wero to havo drinking he thought the rich man should pay for hia license as well as tho poor man. It was not right that clubs should bo exempted from tho payment of a license foe any more than the house at which tho poor man took his drink. He had much pleasure in proposing Mr. John Sangstor Maofarlane as a fit person to bo the representative of tho district of Waitomata in tho Now Zoaland L\nliamont. Mr. Maithkw Hknky Kok of the Cornwallis saw nulls, said ho had known Mr. J. S. Macf.»rlano for tho last 21 years in this country, and ho had boon associated with him in many business transactions eluring that time>. Ho had not only dono all that Mr. Limb had stated, but ho had done more in lending a helping hand to miny engaged iu developing tho industries of the colony, thm many wero awaro of. If there wero more men like Mr. Maefnrlano in tho Legislative AnEembhcB, it would a better country than it now was Ho had much pleasuro in seconding tho nomination of Mr. M.iofarl inc. Tho lthTUKNiNei OiTicicit asked if any doctor hart any other candidato to propose, and after a pauso, aud no rospouao being givon, Mr. G. Von dku IIkvdf camo forward amidst the cheers of tho audience. Me said when ho laat had an opportunity of facing tho electors of that district in that J I all ho did not think that ho would bo back bofoie them so soon again. Ho need not remind them of the objoetion that was taken to his return, and which resulted in causing lux seat to bo vacant. When he was nominated Mr. L<jck proposed him, aud yet Mr. Luck was the ono who objected against him taking Li* guat. This action in that respect was rather curious. Tho electors would give him credit for believing, when ha stood before them on tho former occasion, that ho felt fully aatislied ho was qualified to represent them. Ho now ttood befoie them again to solicit their suffrages. He lad id doubt thoy would believe him when ho atateel that he considered himself th-n, as ho <lnl now, aa fully qualified for a seat in tho Parliament of this country as anybody who was boin in England. He had in hesitation in saying that he was born an alien, and he felt proud of the country in which ho was boi n, an also '>f tho country iu which hia children wero born. llo would not have j •opariliMc.tl tho franchno of hia suppoitera had ho not hucn fully convinced that ho was to all intents and purposes a British subject The election was declared invalid on a purely technical obj>c tion In 18.17 ho took the oaMi of allowance to tho Quoun wln-n m South A't-t-alia, which wua aftoiw. n da oonfinmd. He camo to Auckland iu 18(»6\ and at that time the South Australian Government ha I mado .in application to the Impfiul Government foi tho passing and confirmation of a fonoial measure rolating to naturalisation, do that whin ft »«an had L<vu natuialite.l in ono Butish colony ho would bo leparded a British eul>j<*ut in oil o'hor British oolouios. It was bulioved that that m-nsfio would pass, and under that iuiprcsoion ho catntt to Auckland. Thist application of tho South Australian Government ajpoau'il to havo bi-en refuseel aft<sr ho cuno to Au k'aud. He b'lioved there wero some State reasons against it, and huuc« it waa rejected. From tho day of his arrival in

I Auckland he had always boen looked upon in a, man capable of lilliug any post of truit and honour. (Cheeis ) Had nor the stop bom taken against his election, the matter would have bcon put to righto very easily. Ho would not throw blamo upon hi* opponents for the a'ep Miey took, but there wu a himplo way in winch his election might havo I een doclatod legal, and that was by following tho ex unpleset by the district of of Akaroa. Tho ijfntlomnn returned for that district had been found not fit to hold Ins seat. ilu at oucu went back to bin constituents when they all Toted for him, and the man who opposed hint bsfore, offered to proposo him on that occasion. As tho case now stood he had no remedy but to go to tho electors and ask them on the present occasion, as they had <lone before. Ho believed he would be placed in the samo position on this occasion, if not hotter thin ho was before. With regard to the remarks from the proposer of Mr. .J. S. Macfarlane, he considered they wore not worth replying to. Ho was glad to neo that his (Mr. Von dor Hcydo's) proposer did not think it necessary to blew his trumpet, but loft his actions aud his past career to speak for themselves. Ho had been eight years in Auckland, during which tune tho electors had had many opportunities of forming an independent opinion upon hit actions and transactions. As to Mr. Lamb's statement respecting th« vote he had given on the Licensing Act regarding tke clubi, all ho could say was that he considered any numbor of so-called rich men had a right to foim themselves into a society for the purposo of supplying themsolvos with refreshments, &o. Thoy did not license private houses, and many private houses kopt wines and spirits, and gave lcfreshments to visiting friends. The working men had the same right to form such a society, to supply themselves with beer or other diinks. They might call such societies clubs. If the working men chose to form «uch clubs he should not opposo them, as he considered thoy had an equal right to do so as the rich men had. As licenses were not imposed upou private houses, ho did not see why thoy should be ho upon clubs, whether rich mou's clubs or those of working men. H« should bo willing to answer any questions that the electors might put to him to asoortain his views upon any question before tho country. Mr. Gkoiwc*- riiMs refer led to tho clauso in tho LicoiiHin^ Act limiting the hours of Horvico of h.umiiils in public houses, and asked Mr. Von dcr Hiydo if ho voted for or against that claufo. Mr. Von nh.it JIi.vue said he had voted ag'iunt it. Mr. Si'AiNis said a limitation of hours was inado obli^itmy upon factory girls, and did not Mr. Von ikr llryrio consider legislation in regard to tho limiting of bat maids' hours would also be a good thing. Mr. Von dkr Hkvih. behoved tho pooplo employed in factories would work longer hours if they wire paid for it. This limitation of hours was not applied to girla in domestic service. A domestic servant for 15a. a week, often worked from G o'clock in the morning until 12 o'clock at night. The barmaid received about £2 a woek, and in her case there was additional remuneration for longer hours. He did not see why the legislature should interfere in the matters between Bervant and employer. After a long pause, Mr. Von dkr Heydi said he had no doubt tho great question before the country was the Ministerial resolution! brought down to the House of Representatives by the Government. When those resolutions were being discussed, a soleet committee wore investigating his right to a teat in tho House. On the night that the vote was taken it was expected that the committee would report upon his case on the following day, and he therefore did not feel justified in taking any part in them. In consulting his own comoienee ho did not feel that it would havo been right for him to hare recorded hii voto on that occasion, and thai ho refrained from voting on the question. Ho held to that opinion, but made hit view* upon the subject generally known, and had ho been free to voto he would have recorded his vote against them. There was no question that those resolution* oontained incongruous elements. The first one provided for the abolition of the provinces in the North Island ; the second, fixing the seat ; of Governmont at Wellington ; and the third confirming the Compact of 1856 As regards the first clause there was no doubt that provincialism had been a good sorvant to them in the past. It had done its work well in providing a form of local government when there was no other. But though provincial institutions had been useful in the past the conditions of the country had been recently much changed, and ho was of opinion that it would be well to adopt a different form of government now. But ho oould not reconcile himself to so alter the Constitution of the country, as was proposed, unless the whole of it wore altered. There was, no doubt, a vast differeuce in the position of tho provinces in the South and North Islands. In the North they had no large resources to drain upon, as was tho case in tho Southern provinces, for the building of schooU, &o. There was no use in disguising tho fact that thoy had been obltued to borrow from the General Government to keep things going. If the Government had wanted to abolish only the provinces in tho North Island there was a far simpler way of doing it than by tabling such resolutions as had been dona. Th« Government had simply to say " we will lend you no moro money," a«d the provinces would necessarily have collapsed. He oousidured it wrong to abolish the provincos in tho North Islaud whilo they were rotained in tho South. Before abolishing tho provinces ho would liko to bo informed as to what was to take the place of the Provincial Governments when they were gone. Me considered that the resolutions were dofeetive, though the bill to bo brought in during the next session might be suitaLlo to tho North Island as well as to the South. The people in tho Southern proviuoes were at anxious to have ono General Government as the people were in the North IulauiL In connection with the changes contemplated ho thought a thorough reviiion of the representation of districts should bo made. Tho power of tho North Island was weaker in tho Assembly than was that of the Southern Inland. This is ono of the quostions he would liko to havo looked into", and, if possible, have some olauso on this subject attached to tho resolutions. In regard to the second resolution he did not see why Auckland should bo deprived of tho right she had by charter to be tho capital of the colony. If it was intended that Wellington should be the seat of Government, let it be so. It occupied a central position, and was well udaptc 1 for being the seat of Government. Ho saw no reason why tnoy should have legislative enactments to confirm tho seat of Government there. Thoy could continue to meot there as thoy had dono for tho last fow years if thoy found it more convenient to do so than to moot in tho place whioh was fixed by tho Constitution of tho country as tho capital. Ho behoved no ono would interfere with that arraugement. As regards the legalisation of the Land Compact of 1837, ho saw sorious objections. He did not approve of this proposal. That which was done m 18.")fi, if it had boon found injurious to the colony, should not be continued, but should bo rectified and readjusted. The Southern provinces were making awny with tho land rovonuo as f»st as thoy could. Whon any of thorn spoke upon those resolutions, the refrain of all their speeches w»«, " Don't touch our land fuud." (Laughter ) Tho people may ask, How is tho Govorniuont of tho country to ha carried on ? and thoy readily ro.'lied. by tba Custom's revenue. This was uuceitain, and he thought the land rcvonue Bhould be th« General Government revenue. \t one tim» tho piovinco was to be paid at the rate of 4()h. per head of tho population ; but that was altered, and what did the province receive now? (Laughter.) He did not hold to tho principle that when once a measure had been passed or an agreement made it should be over binding. Their laws were not liko tho laws of the Modos and Persians, unalterable. As the country progressed thoy must adapt the laws of the country to the oondition in whigh it

waa, on all points whero it, waa found neces* ■ iry. His pohe> was one of progress. An no more questions sccmotl to l>o pub to liim, he aaked tho doctors to rally lound him and teeure bia return Mr. J. !S. Mai i \klank began by refeirmg to the regrot ho felt at tho district bong put to the tronble of a second election. It had been hinted that ho waa tho causa of that, but liny ono who had conaidoicd tho question would fool that ho had only dono hi* duty in tho matter. Had ho dono othorwiao ho would hafo been in his own estimation and in the estimation of others— a perfect cure. (Laughter.) If ho had not carried the matter to its end, tho people would have ■aid that ho had not even Dutch courage. (Laughter ) Ho telt Hatched that tho electors would see th.it all ho had dono was done rij«ht. The n>ll as it; stood now waa in reality a now i oil. The old roll had 400 names upon it, which had boon stiuck out, »nd tho now oho had suinn 200 now names, •**^ '» the people would aeo thcro really to trifc x oil, and if thero had boon no was a now „ aofc M ho had d t}]0 other reasons to. • b * on mftdo JQ tho ro ,, changes which haa , fc a9 , h a would hav. justified him ft electors done, so that those who wore -,rinmfi/ „( in tho dutrict should havo an opp. »£*„?, exercising thoir rights t Tho case of K '"^' 1 had been referred to, but Mr. Montgomery was in quite diflerent circumstances from those in which Mr. Von dor Hoydo was placed in this olcction. There was another circuiustanco which would havo justified him m opposing Mr. Von der Heydo's return -tho falso voting at Stokes'8 Point. His (Mr. Macfarlanos) committee had informed him that thero wore eight persons who had voted thore who were dead. It waa a countryman of Mr. Von der Heyde's who was tho Returning Ollicer, and who had passed those dead men's votes. Ho did not know if his own friends had acted in a similar mannei (laughter), but ho did not, think «o. llmvevci th.it mi^ht bo, lio thought Mr. Von der Jloydo might have endeavoured to have kept ins own countrymen honest. (Laughter.) Mr. Von uich Umbk: The Doputy Returning Oflicor waa not appointed by me, but by Colonel Ualneavis. Mr. Machaklank hoped that ho would not be employed ag.un. Ho had been blamed by Mr. Von dor Heydo's paper, tho Mar, ■with keeping back tho writ in tho h'rnt instance. That was an infamous lie, and its untruthfulneaa must have boon known to Mr. Von der Hiydo, and tho least that ho could havo done was to havo corrected tho paper which supported him. Mr. Mai failaue then read an extract from an articlo in tho tiveniwj ,^((U of the 7th July, m which ho was bla-iud for doing many lluuga that vvcie improper, and continued : Air Von der Heydo must hivo known tho tiuth in regard to those untiut'iful statements, but ho took no paina to oirtct them. That was one reason why his frauds thought ho should go on with tho light Mr. Von tier Hoydo had gone down to Wellington an avowed sup porter of tho Government, and yut the\ found him «hiftiug hia ground in rtgard tv those resolutions and for tho abolition of the provinces when he wan thero ; and when h( heard the Government stato that tho paBsiiif of those resolutions was a question upoi which they would stand or fall. Mr. Vor der Heydo should have gono to the Govern ment and ascertained thtir vjows upon tin •ubjea'. Had ho dono ao ho would not hav< actod as ho had told the meeting ho hat done. Ho (Mr. Macfarlanc) was in Welling ton at tho time, and though not a memboi of the Houso, ho had nodilliculty m learning what tho views of the Government wero. He went to the Government whip and asked, and was informed. Tho uamo means of oh taining information wero within tho reach ol Mr. Von elei lleyde, and if he had neglected to avail himself of them ho had so far acttc unfairly. He went down fiom Aueklaml t pledged Got ernmeut supporter, and yet upor the first question coming up on which th< Government were prepaied to stand, h( had informed the dcctor3 ho woule have voted against tho Government, without having inquired into the merit) of tho caso. Iho Herald ha I put the case fairly yesterday, wh°n it stated the resolutions weio merely ono v. ay of agitating tho question of iliti abolition of the provinces. I he land fund ol ihu ."-until Is laud in i ho d siolution ■ f .ii': pome s in vlt tho lau-l fund of tho . out h Islai.d tho io-ve-nue of tho whole colony. 'I lufc was what tho G ivcrii'tunt Win- Jii.ning.it. {A\ plauso.) It Mr. Vun dor Uoyilo liael tried tw get ut the truth in tins ma' tor ho could havo done so as ea-ily hi ho did. r lho Government were at all tunes willing to give information to their suppoitcra, and even to those whoa, voting might bo doubtful, although they would not readily givo such mfoiinatiou to the Opposition. It was impossible for the Government to be earned on without pinna, and it would bo useless for tho Government to right against tho opposition of nine .Superintendents and their supporlcis without having 3omo plan or puhcy to carry out. To do that successfully tho Government must carefully lay their plans, and tho passing of those resolutions was the plan of the Government to abohah "\he provinces. Had Mr. Von der Heyde wanted. t> know their plans he had but to ask and he would havo boon told. The view expressed by tho Jfi-rald of Monday was just the fooling m Wellington — that it waa but tho iirut step towards tho hotter government of the colony. Ho had confidence in the present Government that tho resolutions were merely a plan to bring about tho dissolution of the whole provincial system. With one central government they would havo wellendowed schools, education would be carried on in a systematic way throughout tho colony, road works would be better attended to, and the whole country would bo beuefitted. lie did not blame Mr. Gillies and Mr. Swanson for voting as they had done, because they wero avowedly in opposition to the Government. Ho cautioned the electors in returning Mr. Von der Heydo, for hia lato action had, in his opinion, impaired hit) futuro usefulneas. If Mr. Von der Hcyele should •ver be returned to a seat ui the Assembly, he would find "not to be trusted " mailtid against his name, and he would thun be helpless for good in the diatiiut. (Uhecid and laughter.) Mr. Maofailauo xtatod that he would be ready to answer any questions put to him by electi rs. Mr. fciTAiNi.s asked him, if lie wero returned, would he be favourable to licensing Clubs ? and would be he favourable to relieving barmaids of then duty before 11 o'clock '( la other words, would Mr. Macfarlano be favourahio tor tho barmaids being brought under tho operations of tho Kactorius Act ? Mr. Mai i-aul-vnk said ho believed the short hours under tho Factories Act worked very well, and he taw no reason why short hours should uotbu aa well adapted for pub]ic«heubcs. As to the licensing of clubu ho ■aw no reason why they should not be licensed as woll as public-houses. As to the objection which might bo urgod against that view on tho point of cost, ho looked upon that as a feeble objection. It would be a very small matter for a hundred or two gentlemen in a ■ociety of that kind to pay the license fee. It would be only a few shillings a year. To license thtm would be but fair play, and fair play was a very good kind of play. (Applause. ) Mr. ltatXAtti) asked if Mr. Macfarlane was not the holder of a wise and spirit merchant's license ? Mr. MACKAitr,ANK was not aware that ho held a liccnae of tho kind or not, it was ao long since winca or spirits had boon in his ■tore. Mr. Bof.LAiU) aaked if ho had not an advertisement in tho newspapers offering winea and spirits for sale ? Mr. Mackarlane supposed that he had a license. Ho sold tbo bottled beer of Ind and (Joopo, brewers, amHio could not do that without a license. The reason why ho had no wines or spirits in his store was because none had been consigned to him for some time. If ho had a cargo sent to him ho wenld of course sell them. That he had none in stock was merely an accident. Mi. J. Lamk asked if Mr. Macfarlane was elected would he voto for tho entire dissolution of the provinces in Now Zealand V Mr, Macfarlane : I would not only vot« for their dissolution, but I would work for

it. I bohovo that ui tho ou. bo ol twelve months tho wholo »f thn piovuicen will bo ilono nw.iy with. I «'» e atialiod that is tbo intention of tlir (iovi't'Miient. ((Jheers.) No othoi <|UPHtions being put, Mr. Maciwmam thanked tho audienoe for tho patient hoaring lie had received, and resumed his saat. On a show of hands being taken by tho Rotiirinng Otticor thoie were 24 for Mr. Von dor Jleyde, and 'JS for Mr. Maxl'arlane. Tins announcement by tho Returning Officer >raa received with loud cheering, which was prolonged for some tinio. Mr. Burn and Mr Bollard demanded a poll on behalf of Mi. Von dor Ttoydo, which tiikcH placo on Tuesday, the 8th inst. On tho motion ol Mr. Maci vki-ank, a voto of thankn was passed to tho Heturning OUicor, after which tho meeting dispersed.