THE PRIMATE OF NEW ZEALAND.

Auckland Star, Volume XXVIII, Issue 17, 21 January 1897, Page 2

THE PRIMATE OF NEW ZEALAND.

INTERVIEWED IX SYDNEY,

THE LAMBETH CONFERENCE,

Bishop Cowis, the Primate of New Zealand, arrived in Sydney by the Alameda from j ; I Auckland. Chatting with a " Daily Tele- | » grsph" reporter he volunteered the informa- i tion that the Lambeth Conference opened j j in July, and that it was expected that at j f least 2CO bishops would be present including i nearly all of the Australasian bishops, so far j as be knew to the contrary. Six of the; New Zealand bishops, all, that is, with the j \ exception of Bishop Nelson, intend being | there. One of the tnont important ques- j \ tioas to be considered at the conference, j ha stated, was the relation existing between j the bishops in these colonies and the Arch- ■-, bishop of Canterbury. ' Some of the Eng- j I lish bishops are in favour of the Arch-; I bishop of Canterbury being a sort of j [ Patriarch over ali the bishops of the ", j Anglican Church, but generaiiy the bishops ( • {in the colonies and ia India, do not tea j . 1 their way to any such arrangement, j . ' mainly because they don't wish to eacri- > rice any of their present independ- | , encft. Tbe doctrine and tbe discipline I !of all these Churches are exactly the ] | same aa those of the Church of England, ! , J and whilst they wish to maintain tbe closest j 1 possible alliance, tbey don't wi_rh to be in j (any dependent position." The death of1 ,! Archbisho.i BeDson, he added, woold be a j ' serious matter for the conference. Hi'b ex- I perience gained at tha hst conference I j woold have been very valuable. " Bat all i (have great confidence in the new Arch- i j I bishop—though.he is an aged man. He is j ,la man of great mental strength, courage, IJ and learning, and ia specially well up ia all j I questions connected pith public educa--1! tion." ! The opposition to the election of ArchI bishop Temple, of which a good deal ha 3 I been heard, ia regarded by Bishop Cowie aa j I tbe actios, of some eccentric man. I Coming nearer home, Bishop Cowie said II there was no great question at present I | causing any excitemenD amongst hia clergy jor people in New Zealand. He stated as an i j interesting coincidence, however, thai BishopSelwyn. the first bishop of AucSland, j ij or Now Zealand, as it waa then designated, I occupied that see for 27 years and 217! days. On the 20th of this month Bishop ! Cowie will have been Bishop of Auckland ' fW exactly tbe same length of time. When he arrived there were 27 clergymen in the Auckland diocese. When he left on his trip there were 80. Nearly all of these are maintained by the offerings of the people. Scarcely any parish is endowed at all. "We have also 18 Maori clergy, most of whom are maintained chiefly by endowments from the Maories themselves. These endowments in many cases have been raised by their digging the gum of tbe kauri pine." Questioned as to the Melanesian Mission and the rumoured proposition to sell the missionary yacht Southern Cross, the Bishop said there was bo ground for the rumour, although he admitted the vessel was very expensive. Extension work with the mission ia sadly handicapped for want of funds. Bishop Wilson was to have gone to the Lambeth Conference, but found it necessary to s_o back to the Islands on account of several members of his stair having left, "We are specially interested in the Melanesian mission,''said the Bishop, "for it went out from Auckland, and was organised by the father o! Bishop Selwyn." Asked if the granting of the franchise to the women bad been in any nense a disappointment, Bishop Cowie emphatically declared that it had not. The generality {of women, he claimed, were interested in ! the moral character of men. He laughed ! heartily when reminded of Max O'Keli's j prediction that the short trial of the expert- | ment in New Zealand had resulted in a i fervent de .re for the immediate undoing of it, and exclaimed, "There was nevor a : greater delusion. I am not speaking of ! Auckiand only, for my duties take me all I over New Zealand, and there is only one j opinion."

THE PfiTOHE MURDERtriaI OF STEPHEN BO3HEB, SOME IMPORTANT EVIDENCE. f We continue to reproduce an extended report of tha trial of Stephen Bosher for the murder of Joseph and Emma Jones, at Petone, on tbe 27th August last :— TH__ CONSTABLE'S EVIDENCE, Constable Michael Co_ {constable in I charge at Pc tone) said he noticed a print I on the scullery doorstep which had been [ made by a muddy boot, and some oi the \ nails on tbs left side of the print _ were j distinct. Sergeant O'Maliey and himself I covered it over whoa sack. It was. I 115 Bth inches long from fasel to toe, a_d 1 toe impression of tha heel and toe plates ; was very distinct, but the nails were not at. ! ail distinct; on tbe left side. &..U2S'.? BOOTS __AMl_£fl. j Witness examined some boot? and shoes j belonging to Bosher on the lSih of Sep- ! tember, and measured a pair of Blacker j boots and a pair of water-tights, which he [ took from Basher's bense. They were i pointed out by Bo.ber himself in answer Ito a request. He also compared them I with the imprint, and foend that tlte . f «ength of Bosher's left B.ucher boot was 11 exactly tbe same length aa the imprint on 1 1 the board, and a row of nails on the left ' < side of the sole coincided with tbe marks 11 on the board as far as he was able to judge, ■ j but the water-tight boots did not. ; (The boots, together with an imprint on ! blctdng-paper, were here produced.. i Wit-634 recognised tbe boots produced j as those, he had measured, j E?SHE_-'3 STATEMENT. 1 Bosher'* statement made on the 12th of ! September was made without any induceI rse-_. or threat being held oat to him to ; j make it. Tbe exact words n. Ed by Ssr-: I geant O'Maliey were :—" There is some of j your time unaccounted for from tha time j yon said yoa left Jones's store, about 15 or ! 23 minutes past seven, until the time yen I turned up at the .Salvation Army Barracks iatS3o or £.45." Nothing else was _atd. j To Mr Uiiford: He nerer heard Bosher ; express a willingness to make statement.] j j at any other time, but he seemed willing \ \ to make a statement when spoken to by j [Sergeant O'Maliey. No such words as! ! "It is necessary for you to make this j j statement to clear yourself'"' were made, j i Sergeant O'Maliey might have said " There J ia a suspicion attached to yourself," bat no j such words as "It is necessary for yon to j make a statement " were used. ; Mr Gully then pat in the statement j made by Bosher, which was read , Bosber left his house at 7-10 p.m., and j went down to Jones's store. Mr Jones waa ] in the store, and there were two man stand- j ing on the verandah. He ■wont into the j j store and bought a { ound of butter and 6d j j worth of chaff, which be put in an old j I kerosene tin which he hsd with him. I • There waa no one in the shop when he j i went in. Mr Jones entered tha entry ] lof tbe chaff and the butter in the ] entry-book in pencil. Before be (Bosher) j [ left Mr Jones asked him if he was 1 going oat to .Taita next day, and j lon his repaying that he Waa he asked J I him to take oat some book . He asked j I him if be had delivered tbe Bibles which he j i had given bim on the previous Tue«day. j ] Bosher said he had not, but would do so. j He agreed to call for the books next morn- I ! ing, when Mr Jones asid tbey would be j 1 ready. Ha stayed in the store about five | I minute?, and when he came outside the j j two men he had seen were still standing j ■on the verandah. He went along the foot- j j path, and so to his own house. He then j ; got his horse from the yard in Sydney- j = street, and took bim to the trocgh at the • j Jackson ..trees corner to have a drink. \ i Hs walked down the middie of the street, j j and there were-, lot of people about. He i brought the horss back home, at ill walking ! J down the middle of the street, which was | i full of people. He left the rope by which] ; ho had led the horse in the cart, and went 1 j into hi 3 house by the small gate. U'bile 1 j at tho water-trough the Salvation Army j I open-air meeting was just going into the I ball. He returned and went into the! ! Barracks, and stood against the back cf 1 the hall until they began to sing. Then be took a seat. It was abont 8.15! I p.m. whon he went into the Barracks, ior before that. He saw Mr* fiawes, and then went home to eat a boo_ for ber. He left the pound of burter on the table and j took the book {" Phyllis' Fortune "j to Mrs j Hawes, his wife having finished with it. He remained a few minute" at heme when Jhe went for the book. He returned to the l hall with the book, and remained a few j minuses. He returned home at 8.40, and sat rending by the stove till 9 o'clock. At j about that time tbe Artny officers came in, j I and remained a few minutes and then left. 1 j He remained reading until 10.50, and then ' went to bed. 1 I Next morning he got up about 6 o'clock j and had breakfast. He did not feed his j horse, nor did he eive him a drink. After I breakfast he harnessed hia horse and drove jto Jones's, giving him a drink at the j Jackson-street trough on tho way. When ! he arrived there, he left hia horse standing in front of tbe store window, and I went to the .hop door and tried to open it, but found it*locked. He then went to the doublo gate in Jacksonetreet, 'which v/as . ide open. Ho went to the side d:.(ir and knocked, but trot no answer. Ho then went and called Mr?' Atkinson and got her to try and oj;en the i door. She found it locked. Sho went J round to the back, and he hoard her c-.il nut "Mr Jones, Mr Jones !" He brought : his horse round into Beach-street, and waa putting on the brake when be he >rd MrAt.kinson ehout, " Good God, Mr Jones i.-; dead." She was standing at the back ! door in a v. ry excited state when he went I round. He followed her into the pas-age j towards Beach street. She gave a start bnck and he raw the body of Mrs Jones. On coming out they saw some men, (The j statement then detailed what had alreadybeen givon in evidence). He bought a bay of chaff from Mr? Jonea on the 26rh of August, and it was nearly eaton by Thursday night. He had some of it left when he wont for the 6d worth of chaff, "THE BUSHMAN*. FRIEND," He bad a sheath-knife stamped "The Bushman's Friend "on the blade. He lost it about three months before in tbe manuka pcrnb near Taita when getting firewood. He never saw and never found the knifo since he had lost it. He had no other sheath-knife of that description, and only had tablo knives and a carving knife in his possession. Among the persona ho noticed when leading hia horse to the Jackson-street trough on the evening of the 27tb, was Constable Cox, who was etanding in front of Eddy's shop. Several children, as ha passed along, said, "Good evening, Mr Bosher." Ha did not know them, bat they knew bim. THE CONSTABLE'S EVIDENCE CONTINUED. Cross-examined by Mr Wilford at grea^ i length concerning the measurement of the ■ Blucher boot, during which the boot waa ; submitted to several measurements by Mr < Wardell, Mr Wilford and witness, the con- ! stable admitted that, according to '.he < measurement of tho footrule (produced by ] the Court orderly), the boot only measured eleven inches and foureighthe. Witness < waa thou cross-examined concerning the I details of the roome. 1 The table in which the cash box was die- i covered conld be seen from the store < window of Jackson-atreet if the intervening t doors were also open. Mr Jones could i have been observed plainly by men stand- \ ing in the street if he had been putting t away his money in the caah box by the aid s of hie lamp. Witness waa aware that two t

The table in which the cash box waa discovered could be seen from the store window of Jackeon-atreet if the intervening doors were also open. Mr Jones could have been observed plainly by men standing in the atraet if he had been putting away his money in the caah box by the aid of his lamp. Witness was aware that two

I arrange men had been seen at the other ! side of the .Wa.nai*o-___t a nest morning. j He was aware that a knife had been bought fat G. W. Smart's (knife produced) iby a man answering to the description of ! o_e of the men seen by Basher on fcbs 1 verandah oi Mr Jones's store. He knew I that 5s waa ia the pocket of Mr Jones's : coat, but did not know that that was the price of a tin of the pepper ia the store. _He i knew that she pepper in Mr Jones's kitchen j was oi the same brand 3.3 thai found in the : .hop. A tall man could not reach one_ of ! the tins of pepper on toe shelf by reaching :: over. COS3TABLE CECICKSHAXS'S EVIDENCE. Constable Crutck.haok (constable ita- ! tamed at the Lower Hast) «aid_ he went to j Jones' house on the morning of the 23th ot i August, Oa Sunday, the 30th of »he same i'montb. he discovered _ cash box in tha of the dining room of Jones' house. !The table was against the wall, and covered over wish a table cloth, with the front- of the drawer against the wall. He ! found half a sovereign, some silver^ and j some pap_rg in it. Referring again to j the morning'of .he 22th, witness described I the appearance and position of tbs foot £ print. I Basher's statement of the 6th was then I read. It was almost identical with the ; statement of the 12tb, except that he deI scribed the men he bad ieen on Jones' I verandah at 7.20 on tbe evening of the ! 27th of August. One waa a tail maa with ! no beard, bat a moustache, wearing brown i clothes and a soft, hat; while the other was I a short man with a beard, and also wearing brown clothes. Both had parcels a. I their feet, but he could not say if they were swags, STILL A_fO_HE.R STATESIEST. Bosber'a statement of the j.4:h ins., set ou. that he lost his knife, "The Bushman's Friend," three months previously in the scrub near the TaiU Cemetery. lie knew a man named Frederick Gadsby, a butcher at Taita. Ho had got the knife from him. [it was some time before he lost it in the i scrub. If Gadsby said be gave him the ■ knife on the _4:b or 25th of August, it was not correct. He log. the knife twice. When he lost it the first- time it w.s in Park avenue, Taita.. A lady named Mr* Jones, of Taita, recovered and gave it to Gadsby. She [asked him if it was his, and he rep.led !"■ Ye_." Next time he (Bosher) called at I Mrs Jones' at Taita, she told him she had I given it to Gadsby, aud oa the next day ! Gadsby gave it to him. This was about a jweeb cr 10 days before he lc-5 it in the i scrub. He bad tbe knife loose in the cart, [and while taking some coal out of his cart the knife dropped out. It Mrs Jones said j tha* she save tha knife to Gadsby on the 23rd of August, it was not correct. i If Mr Wm. Jones said the jams, it would 'not be correct, and if they said that fhe enquired for tha knife on the 16th jof August, when be was at tea at their ihouse with Mr Joseph Jones (tho murdered j man), it was not correct. He had never j bad dinner witb Mr William Jones at ; Taita. The knife produced was of tbe Uame brand as bis, but bis was ground jdownac the angle in the blade to fit the isheath. It was also much narrower and j longer in the blade. He used it for killing • pigs and calves. (The other ata.amenta j made by Bo.nt-r, and portions of tbe two j quoted above, were rope'iuoos of the one I given by him on the 12:h August, and j published yesterday). ' THE SEARCH FOE THE MISSING KNIFE. I Cross examined by Mr Wilford, witness Isatd the paddock in whicb Boahcr kept his hiorse bad been dug up and the harbour I dragged to find traces of the knife. i Bosher's house and garden were also ! searched. Mr F, C. Mathews gave him a (description of two men similar to those 1 seen on Mr Jones' verandah, who pnsstd ' through the Lower Hult cr, tbe morning [after the murder. Mathews told I_}_q that I they were foreigners by their language. H-j said he pa_s*d them hurriedly on his t bicycle, and noticed that they were talking ;in a st/anga language which he con id not j ander.tand. He (witness] remembered . Mrs Amelia Mabel Octuvis James saying j she saw two men standing under Mr Jones' ! vera'idah on tha evening of the 27:h of [August. He did not lock for other I'ootmarks on the ficor ot Mr Jones' house pa the morning of the murder, a^ several people bid been overtime floor. Ho only j found the one print on the step. I Defective Robert Xeill said he had visited I Bosher at his bonne on the morning of the 'murder. Bosher remarked that he had j been away to Taita, but had come b_ck, j knowing that the police wanted to see him. Bosher then invited witness and others ot I tho police officers in, and made a statement, I which w&3 taken down in writing, and ! signed by Bosher. 1 To Mr Wi;ford : Bosher told him that Ihe expected the police wanted 10 see him, and so he hurried back. Bosher's statement made on tbe 23e.t_ of Anjrust was then put in and read, detailing what had taken j place on the evening before and on tbe j morning after the murder. j The case is proceeding.