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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

Wednesday, Mat 4. AFTERNOON SITTING. Tifi House met at 2 30 p.m. NOTICE. M.r Obmond gave notice to auk whether the Government intended, during the present session, making any proposal for reducing the honorarium of members of the Legislature. BUBIONATIOK. Tn© Sphakee announced that he had received a cablegram from the Agent-General in London to tho effect that he had reoeiyed the resignation of Mr Leonard Harper of his seat in the House for the Avon distriot, with the request that he wot^d forward it to tho Speaker of the House of Representatives. He (the Speaker) now wished to know whether the House considered that the notice of resignation was sufficient. Sir E. Stout thought it was quite auffioient. He moved— "That a writ be issued for a new election." Agreed to. QUK6TIONB. Mr Taylob asked the Minister of Public "Works if there is any truth in the report tha.t is in circulation throughout the Colony that on and after June 1 next the Government intend to reduce the wagea_ of all engine-drivers, shunters, mechanics, labourers and others in the employment of the. Government by Is per day. Mr Biohabdson said the Government had no such intention. FIRST BBADING. Sir R. Stout introduced the Regulation oC Elections Amendment Bill. THE HALL CASH. Atr TubnbuiiL moved for a return to be laid before tho Houae of the cost incurred by the Crown in the prosecution of Thomas Hall, showing the sains paid to the Crown 'jProsocutor and witnesses, including travelling expenses, in the following oases: — (1) Preliminary examination, in the R.M. Court, Timaru, on the charge of the attempted, murder of Mrs T. Hall; (2) Sreliminary examination in the R.M. ourt, Timaru, on the charge of the murder of Henxy Cain ; (3) trial for attempted i murder, in the Supreme Court, Chrietohuich; (4) application in the Supreme Court, Christchuroh, for a change of venue ; 1 (5) the trial for murder in the Supreme Court, Danedin j (6) the case submitted to the Court of Appeal, on whioh occasion the verdict of "Guilty" obtained in Duuedin, was quashed. Also, all correspondence not including telegrams, whioh may have passed between the Crown and others bearing on the subject of the various trials. He said the object was to show that a large expenditure had been incurred by this trial, which, he thought, might have been avoided. The result of one of the trials was also very unsatisfactory, and a great feeling of disappointment existed all over the country in consequenco of it. He would not go so fur as to say there was one law for the rich and another for the poor, because this was not the case, but he would say there was one law of proceeding for the rich and another for the poor. There was ffreat room for reform in this direction. He did not wish to say it was unfair or liiijuat for a peraon possessing wealth or ■influence to exercise undue power in cases of this kind. ■ This was perfectly unjustifiable, but at the Bame time it showed a great failure in the law when such influence was allowed to predominate, and he thought the Crown had neglected its duty in the Blatter. Had the prisoner been allowed to take his trial at the ordinary Court at Timaru, there would have been no occasion for a second trial, and a large amount of expense might have been spared, besides the loss of much additional evidence. He also thought if this had been done there would have been no suoh failure of justice aa had occurred. He went on to Bpeak at great length on the motion, when The debate was interrupted by the 5.80 adjournment. EVENING SITTING. The Houso resumed at 7.80 p.m. FIRST RKADINQ. The Eermadeo Islands Bill was received from the Legislative Council and read a first time. BBPBESENTATION BtT.li. The Representation Bill was farther considered in Committee. In Clause 3 sub-section relating to the uambar of members of the House. Mr J. M'Kbnzik'b amendment to insert 71 in the blank was put and carried by 37 to 33. DIVISION LIST. Ayes, 37 : Nous, 33 • Messrs Allwrlght Messrs Conolly Atkinson Dodson Barron Fitzherbort Beethatn Fraser, F. H. Bracken Gore Bruce Guinness Bryce Hirst Buchanan Hobbs Bucklaud, J.C. Hursthouse Buokland, W. F. .Tones Cadman Kerr Cowan Levestam Duncan Macarthur Fergus Mackenzie, S. Fisher M'Millan Fraser, W. Moate Fulton Montgomery Grey O'Callaghan Hatch Peacock Ivcbb Pratt M'Kenzie, J. Pyke Mills ReeEe Mitchelson Reid Monk Richardson,E. Moss Rosb O'Conor Seddon Ormond Smith Richardson, G.F. Stewart Rolleston Stout Rusboll Thomson,J.W. Steward, W.J. Trimble Butter Walker Taylor Wilson Thompson, T. Tolo Turnbull Whyte Paibs ; Ariß : Nobs : Messrs Larnaoh Messrs Ballance Newman Lance Pearson Menteath Mr G. F. Riohabdsok moved an amendment in the same clause to the effect that a nominal addition of 20 per cent shall be wade to the population of special districts. Mr Lbvsbtak said that the House, having made a sweeping reduction from SI to 71 members, he would move that the hairman report progress, as he considered, after what had taken place, the whole Bill would have to be remodelled. Sir R. Stout hoped that progress would not be reported till they saw what became of Mr Richardson's motion. So did not think this motion would help the small distiiots at all if such a reduction were carried oub. Mr Pykb said those members who had voted for the reduction to 71 did not know what they were doing. He should oppose the Bill at every stage after that. The motion for reporting progress was lost by 68 to 14. Sir R. Stout moved to strike out " town diatriota" from special districts. He explained that he had found out, by a return jttat given to him, that town districts had not the advantage in this sub-section. After some discussion, Mr Walkbb asked in what position the Native representation stood after the reduction of the House to 71 members. Ho felt it whs a wretchedly retrograde step to reduce the Houae so largely. Thoy would next be going for a five or seven years' Parliament. Mr Wi Pbre thought members had no right to refer to Nfttive members. Ho said Km district was 500 miles in extent, and ho ytaa considering whether he should not apply for an extra member. He would move' ■a': Borne future timo that, the number of ilaori members bo increased. Mir It. Stoot'u amendment was lent on tlu' vetoes. Mr S. B. Whyte moved— " Thn,h all hironff'iiß with » population up to 1500 be svi'.cial districts." 'MvSijddon said the Opposition were to

blame for the reduction, and it would be all in favour of the property classes. Mr Bbetham pointed out that the reduo- j tion was proposed by the Government whip, j so there oonld not be much in Mr Seddon'a argument that the Opposition were to blame for the redaction. Sir R. Stout said, if Mr Eiohardson'a motion were carried, he should feel bound to support Mr Whyte's amendment. Aa for the redaction just made, he had protested against it; but the House had carried it, and the result would be that 20 members at present in the House could not came baok to it. The Hon B. Richardson suggested that 1600 be substituted for 1500 in Mr Whyte's amendment. He instanced two boroughs in his own distriot, which were just under 1600. Mr Whyte's proposal for 1500 was negatived. The Hon E. Eichaudson withdrew his amendment. Sir R. Stout moved— "That the blank in Mr Whyte's amendment be filled up with 2000." Carried by 48 to 80. Mr Seddon moved to include mining districts amongst special districts. Considerable discussion ensued, and the motion was lost by 40 to 33. Mr G. F. Eichaedson then moved hia amendment. Sir E. Stout hoped the Committee would not agree to the amendment. He contended it would not readjuafc the representation in any way. The chief reason for bringing in the Bill was in the case of population in the North Island which necessitated increased representation, but the amendment now proposed would not meet that want. Mr Richardson's proposal gave no advantage to scattered districts at all. After further discussion, Mr F ykh asked whether the Premier would consent to report progress, in order that the BUI might be drawn in a more acceptable form. Mr G. P. Eichabdson's amendment was oarried by 53 to 23. The following is the division list :— Ayes, 63 : Noes, 23 : Messrs Atkinson Messrs Allwright Beetbam Ballance Bevan Barron Bruce Fraaer, F. H. Bryce Fraser, W. Buchanan Gore Buckland, J. C. Grey Buckland, W. F. Hatch Cadman Larnach Conolly Mills Cowan Moss Dodson Newman Duncan Ormond Fergus Peacock Fisher Pratt Fitzherbetb Beese Fulton Eiohardaon, E. Guinness Stewart,W.D. Hirst Stout Hobbs Taipua Hursthouse Taylor Ivess Thompson, T. Jones Tole Kerr Lance Lake Levestam M'Arthur Mackenzie, S. M'Kenzie, J. M'Millan Mitchelson Moat Monk Montgomery O'Cullaghan O'Connor Pearson Pyke Reid Richardson, G. F. Eolleston Eusaell Samuel Seddon South Steward,W,J. Sutter Thomson, J.W, Trimble Turnbull Walker Whyte Mr Pkaeson moved that that the population of any district at the time of the making division, shall not exceed or fall short of the quota by more than 1000, instead of 500. Mr Lbvkstam said that as so many alterations had been made in the Bill, he thought it required some further consideration. He, therefore, moved that progress be reported. Lost on the voices. Mr Pearson's amendment was carried by 46 to 31. Sir R- Stout moved to report progress. He said the Bill was so altered now that he should have to further consider it. Mr Seddok hoped the Premier would also inform the House whether he accepted the reduction of members that had been made. Sir E. Stout said he was prepared to accept it. Progress was reported, and the House rose at 12 o'clock.

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES., Star, Issue 5920, 5 May 1887

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