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EVENING SITTING., Issue 5363, 16 July 1885
The Committee resumed at 7.30 p.m. Mr Fitzherbert moved a further amendment in the Employment of Females Act, to add to clause 3, " Provided always that any Inspector in any district in case of emergency may allow young persons to work overtime." The amendment was carried on division by 35 against 25. Mr Ross aio ved a further addition— , " That it shall not be compulsory on any young person to work such overtime." The amendment was lost on the voices. Mr M. J. S. Mackenzie moved to strike out of the clause relating to holidays the , words, " withcut loss of wages." The Hon E. Stout opposed the amenduient. The latter had been in force for 12 , years, and the employers had never complained of it. Mr Fergus said that all respectable - tradesmen paid their apprentices for all , holidays. He thought they were legislating for the ignorant people. ; Mr Levestam said that, notwithstanding . the law had been in force so many years, he knew of cases in which boys' wages had [ been stopped for holidays. Tho amendment was lost on the voices. Tho Bill was reported with amendments, road «i third time, and passed. SALE OF POI.SCOT3 HILL. , Mr Hatch moved tho second reading of ; the Sale of Poisons Bill. He said a Sill v.-as passed in 1871 regulating the sale of
poisons, and it was time an alteration was made in the Act. It was proposed, under clause 4, to provide for the registration of every person who sold poison. It also provided that a fee of 20s should be paid for such registration. Under clause 11 it was proposed to protect the title of, and to put restrictions on, the sale of poisons. Agreed to. SCHOOL COMMITTEES BILL. On the motion to go into Committee on the School Committees Election Bill, Mr W. F. Buckland moved— "That the Bill be committed that day three months." The Bill was brought in by the opponents of the present system of Education. Mr Hurst emphatically denied that the Bill was brought in by the opponents of the Education system. The Hon JJ. STOUT'said the whole agitation on the subject was got up by those who wanted to destroy the present Education system. He had not intended taking any part in the discussion, as the House •had affirmed the principle of the Bill on the second reading. Mr Turnbull said that no hon member in the House had done more to destroy the Catholics under this system of education than the Premier himself. He hoped members would not look upon the present system as something sacred, and not to be touched in any way. The motion for committal of the Bill was carried on division by 36 against 15. ARMED CONBTABTTLART. The House went into Committee on "The Armed Constabulary Act, 1867, Amendment Bill." Mr Guinness moved to amend clause 2 by making it apply to members of the Civil Police only. A [motion for reporting progress was lost on the voices. Mr Guinness' amendment was then put and carried. • GAMING AND LOTTERIES ACT. The House went into Committee on "The Gaming and Lotteries Act, 1881, Amendment Bill," which was passed without amendment. On the motion that the Bill be reported, Mr Joyce moved that the Chairman report progress, which was lost on division by 50 to 14. SCHOOL COMMITTKES ELECTION. The House went into Committee on the School Committees Election Bill, which passed without amendment. Mr Downie Stewart moved the following new clauses : — "On the hearing of any information or complaint under 'The Education Act, 1877/ for an order to send children or a child to a public school, or for the recovery of a penalty in respect thereof, the onus shall be on the parent or guardian of such children or child of showing that such children or child have or has attended, or are or is attending, a public school in accordance with the requirements of the said Act, or that such children or child are or is exempt from such attendance thereunder." Agreed to. "A certificate under the hand of the Chairman, or person acting as Chairman, of a School Committee, setting forth the name of the Clerk or member of Committee by whom the proceeding in the last j preceding section shall have been commenced, shall be conclusive evidence that such Clerk was duly appointed, and that such member was duly elected; and it shall not be competent in any such proceeding to inquire into, or to dispute, the election of the person acting as member of the School Committee." Agreed to. Mr Downie Stewabt moved a further new clause, providing that each child should attend school on 30 days in each quarterly term. Agreed to. The Armed Constabulary Act, 1867, Amendment Bill, was reported with amendments. The Gaming and Lotteries Act, 1881, Amendment Bill, was reported, read a third time, and passed. . The School Committees Election Bill was reported with amendments, which were ordered to be considered on Thursday. HOSPITAL AND CHARITABLE AID BILL. Mr Peacock resumed the debate on the Hospital and Charitable Institutions Bill. He said that he looked on the Bill with a friendly eye, but he could not agree with it. He thought a large amount of uncertainty was introduced in the Bill as to the amount of funds proposed to be distributed. The Bill certainly did not improve matters as far as these institutions were concerned. He would like to ask the Government, with respect to the Auckland district, what position it would be in under the Bill with respect to the large bequests that had been made to it. He was sorry he could not support the Bill, but he considered the present system was fax preferable. Dr Newman regretted there was no provision made in the Bill by which the poor Bick could be sent to the Hot Springs. He thought it would be beneficial to the patients, and would also be a more economical way of keeping many of the patients. He quoted the case of many who came out from the Old Country for their health, and died in the Colony, with the result that their wives and families were thrown on the Colony for support. The Bill contained no central authority at all. He drew attention to the fact that they were spending large sums of money to relieve the poor, but he thought a great waste of money was made by the manner in which this money was often spent by relieving undeserving cases, and in other ways. One of the best means of contributing to the sick fund would be that men who were continual drunkards should be made to contribute towards the support of their families. He would strongly urge that they should relieve the poor more than they had done, by not aiding those who would not aid themselves. Mr G. F. Richardson hoped the Government might see their way to pay pound for pound on the total cost of the charitable institutions of the country, which, in round numbers, would be about £40,000 to be contributed by Government. He looked on the Bill with great favour, and he considered the Government deserved great credit for framing it. Mr Gore said the estimated cost of charitable institutions in Otago was j <£26,150, of which Government only contributed one third. The Bill would press with undue weight on the larger centres. He also desired to point out that although Dunedin contributed one-fourth .of the money, that city only had one representative on the District Board under the Bill. He felt bound to vote against the second reading. Mr Guinness could not understand how city membei#opposed the Bill. He thought the principal object of the BilL was that each individual in the Colony would be called on to contribute towards the maintenance of those institutions, but the larger cities did not contribute a fair proportion to their cost. He trusted the House would allow the Bill to go into Committee, when the few defects complained of could be remedied. Mr White would ask whether the country had been contributing towards the charitable aid more than the towns. He thought if the member for Greymoiith lived in the towns he would consider this Bill a great injustice. The amount of taxation proposed was altogether excessive. The Bill also did not provide that the Government should contribute subsidies. He intended voting against the Bill, as he considered the present system should remain in operation for another year. Mr Brown advised the member for Sydenham to visit the country, when he would see what had been done in this matter. His own district had contributed £10,000 by voluntary contributions towards the support of its Hospital, and very little had been contributed by the large cities towards the support of these institutions. Mr Buchanan considered the Bill must be of a tentative character, and that the subsidies would cease as in the other local government Bill. Ho supported the second reading. Mr llukst deprecated the attitude taken up by some members of pitting the town against the . country. He thought the Bill would result in entire failure. T ho present was ;i most inopportune time to introduce such a measure. It must be a Colonial system to provide for the maintenance of their institutions. The present
Bill was an effort to put on the local bodies burdens they were quite unable to bear. j Mr Levestam supported the second ! reading of the Bill, ..but he had some ; amendments to propose in Committee. ! Mr Eeese thought the Bill was a step in ' the right direction, for the better management of our local institutions, but it was open to question whether these institutions were properly treated by Government. He thought the House and the Government would not be treating these instituj tions properly unless they put them on the same footing as the educational ones, namely, by endowments. He would vote for the second reading. I Mr Hatch said that he hailed the Bill as a most satisfactory one: The Bill, he considered, was in the direction of putting every portion of the Colony on the same footing, and should have his support. I Mr Ptke contended that the Bill could not be amended in Committee as to the amount of subsidies to be granted. The proposition before the House was that those country districts which formerly contributed half of the amount should now pay two-thirds. He approved of the principle of the Bill, but did not approve of the contributions to be levied. He advised the Government not to put more on the country districts than they could bear. He thought it seemed something of a farce that 40 men should meet at Duriedin to distribute charitable aid. It was also impossible for the men from the remote parts of Otago to travel to Dunedin for that purpose. He thought there would be no voluntary contributions after the Bill passed. The subsidies would cease, but the rate would go on for ever. He said it was a property solution of the difficulty, that the poor should be maintained out of the hind. The Hon E. Stout said he desired to make a few explanations on the Bill. It would create for each district a Hospital and Charitable Aid Board, and each separate institution was to manage its own affairs. As to the objections urged against the Bill, he might say they were very few, and differed from the Bill of 1879, which split the Colony into different districts. He did not say the Bill did not require amendment. Every Bill required it. The object of the Government would be to receive suggestions from every individual in the House. When the Bill got into Committee, Government would be able to say what concessions they would be prepared to make. Mr Downie Stewabt thought the Bill a very important one, and it would meet with his support. Mr Joyce supported the second reading of the Bill. Mr Lake thought the Bill a good attempt at the solution of a difficult matter. He was glad to hear that Government intended to adopt suggestions made in Committee. Mr Fergus moved the adjournment of the debate till next day. The House rose at 12.20 a.m.
EVENING SITTING., Issue 5363, 16 July 1885
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