THE MACKENZIE CASE

Southland Times, Issue 19500, 14 March 1925, Page 5

THE MACKENZIE CASE

HEARING CONTINUED DEFENDANT IN THE WITNESS BOX A LENGTHY CROSS-EXAMINATION. (Per United Press Association.) AUCKLAND, March 13. The Dundas Mackenzie case was continued to-day, Resuming evidence Mackenzie said that the Abrams machine under test conditions, had been found to do all that was claimed for it.

Witness had read the Border report but in construction there was a difference between Boyd’s machine and Abrams, but no difference in principle. The principle of Boyd’s machine was being constantly used by Abrams in his clinic, and Abrams had a large knowledge of the ignorance of the medical profession in its manipulation and he gave them a machine he thought as would be less likely to use wrongly, like they might do with the Boyd machine. Witness might not give a patient the same diagnosis as an ordinary doctor, as witness had found trouble in the knee caused by throat trouble. The Abrams reaction had been obtained in a large number of cases, and it had been checked and rechecked over a period of twenty years. The condition would reveal itself later in many cases and would get to a condition where one could see nothing and find nothing by ordinary methods.

DEFENDANTS PRESENT CONDI TION.

In the most chronic diseases the symptoms present were only results and were not the causes of diseases. Describing the system further, Mackenzie said he examined the patient’s blood in the dynamiser and then brought the patient into the room to check up his work; that was practically universally done. The checking up consisted of going over the work on the patient, as one had done with the blood, by putting the patient practically in the dynamiser and connecting the patient to a rugent instead of a dynamiser. Witness was not now in a condition to do Abram’s work as his h. alth h_d been seriously undermined by the present trouble which had been hanging over him for over two years, and he was not in a physical or mental condition to do work under test conditions. He then reviewed some cases in detail to the Judge. If a person had carcinoma and it were left alone and not interfered with, being free from surgical interference it might lie dormant for a long period of years, but there was no determined time when it might come out.

His Honor: This is speculation is it not? It is a scientific fact then that this man may look forward to having carcinoma of the liver at some future time?—He may or may not.

The question was whether the treatment Abrams would remove precancerous condition and so remove it that it would not return. It was known in many cases that the condition had improved. Whether treatment had cured them or not, only time could tell. Mr Dickson: No one,could tell if a man had cancer, except by an examination under a microscope. Abrams had thought out a system of discovering it before it was operable. Mackenzie dealt with other cases in detail with regard to the blood tests but he said he did not pretend to be able to make tests after the blood had been held for a month or so. Witness received specimens from Dr. Todd, but he had no recollection of Dr Todd having paid him. “F” also sent some blood, but witness did not test that. He tested the handwriting of the first letter sent by “F” and the test gave witness what he wrote in the letter. Another doctor had since found the same. DEFENDANT’S CAREER.

Under cross-examination by Mr Meredith witness said he started his career in Dunedin as a mining student, but he did not remember when he became a medical student. He put in the equivalent of one and a-half years work at Otago University. Mr Meredith put in a telegram from the Registrar of the University which indicated that in four subjects which Mackenzie attended, he had passed in 2, and failed in 1, and did not sit for the other. Witness said he did not leave Otago to go to America because it would be an easier place as he left with the intention of going to Edinburgh, his idea being to take up homeopathy. Later he attended the Missouri Homeopathic College, but that College was not now in existence as it had been crushed by the American Medical Association. Witness did not know that the Dean was prosecuted for selling diplomas. The College was recognised by many State boards, but the State Board of New York would not recognise it, but then that board would not recognise the University of London.

Witness was in America three years. He arrived there in 1892 and left in 1896, returning to New Zealand. During that time he was in some American hospitals. He did locum tenens work for a period, when he got to New Zealand, and then took a practice in Levin. About 15 years later he returned to America and he stayed there for five or six months.

Prior to going to America he had been practising homeopathy, while he had also practised antchaemic treatment. Witness had also practised official surgery. He had had special training in this for operating for piles, adenoids, etc. It was not looked on as a quack cult as it was used through out America to-day and was used when he

first went there. The cross-examination of defendant, who was in the box all day, was not concluded when the Court rose till Monday.