HOME RULE.

Poverty Bay Herald, Volume XLI, Issue 13430, 11 July 1914, Page 11

HOME RULE.

SECSOND READING DEBATE IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS.

LONDON. July 2.. The second reading debate on the Government of Ireland Act (Home Rule) Amending Bill was resumed m the House of Lords yesterday. All the galleries were packed, and ladies were crowded m the strangers' galleries. A Bcore of members of the House of Commons were present, including Mr Chur-. chill, Sir Eclward Carson, and Mr Dillon. The Marquis of Crewe (Lord Privy Seal) referred sympathetically to the death of the^Earl of Wemyss, and spoke of him as having been an all-round sportsman. Lord Lansdowne and Lord Halsbury supported the ■ Marquis of Crewe's remarks. Lord Morley moved the second readr ing of the Bill Lord Willoughby de Broke, on a point of order, asked if there were any precedent for "these extraordinary pro ceedings." The Lords were being asked to pass the second reading of a Bill to amend the Government of Ireland Act j whereas there was ho such Act m existence, and probkbly never would- be. " The Lord Chancellor replied that the proceedings were quite m order. The course was not the. usual one, but it was perfectly possible for Parliament to «dopt it. ■■ ; '.ijt was well considered, and : 'the'^wn^/!cpTnfenient course. /Lord Morley then moved the motion. He said they were beginnnig the consideration of a great State necessity » The Bill had been approved three times by the House of Commons, But was viewed with angry disfavor m certain parts of Ireland. That disfavor, if it remained unabated, would revive the religious dissensions of apes. The now system of government m Tr,.eland "had been placed under a horrible disadvantapre ; it was starting with dissension at its very door. . " In order to meet obiectimis to the BilT important changes had' been wrom-' ised, which, however, implied no deoar.tnre from the conviction tliat the Ho^e Rn]e scheme could not be better. He b*lie ved that the -present debate offered the best opportunity of discovering wh|\^ amount of common CTomid existed 'in' Parliament for the flttainintr of peas' 1 . "Exclusion" was the. poimiriinr word, continued Lord Morlev. »but it. rnicrht liav-e many nHeaninj?s nnH .n-nplicatiohß. Ix>H_ La.npdowTT> r^earded it as un-t---tractive, but. Lord T/aysdownf} reaJjv meant its obi°ct to ho the exclusion of evervthinp. Tt was a, cardinal error to «nropb«sG ffi.it any part, of Ulster .was 5 ho^oEjepeous. ' ' Tho Natior>ali.ot. volunteers forme p serious comnlientinn : neverfhelooß th/tfr "■ptrvpfl ts\ clisn"! fJ"» .illusio" thfh t-he, K'llk ''f thp pPOT>le tit \}u> ROli+li and -n'rxsi * f Trpl^irJ had lost heart and interest, in. &«() R"le. Now that rr>'"->iira.'r< ir « o n^ had b^ri criv.-v +o 'arroM refisf.'Mice t,^ . ,t,h«>, pftabl'shrnciiT. of. nji I*s »J? qrrvr^vnnipn* a-nne-o 1«s to violence . atid disor<^r mwrf^ Rnroad ip *, dangerous extent. He iwper?.t.hft- the Hous* bf CVminons • wouM 'iot, rissUf. m driving Irish uption""l fe«lirif» bn^k *™*o the old ojv»rm 0 19 nf violence aii*' di^HvaHv. (Cheers. \ The Marnuis of L> T »sr'nwT.p o!e°"r'bp'l the ■"■•easT'Te 'o e "a. frepir Bill thf*+>. i jr.. wovtbi' of a. nlnfe :■ '" fJie T^nseum ff rTon'' +i 'tniioP''l . cu r iopitip« > ." rOlieprs aud lan^htej'.Y TTe d^clpTPd tbnt, no T>rev»r?pnf. r-onl'i lia pr^iT'pfl for the nrepnr'n^e^infrs. Vurf.liorn^i^. Tor.'' ■^nrlnv liad a<soer fo r? tl'. n *. f 1 "* o^crinti] r-nnlrj Ttof be bott^^pd, 'Hip TTni/^n.. is^.<3 P^'lfoiifipri tlifif flip P'll. CnimW \rif-. +!)«» oricriwl piea«U lVo . forr""fl r»i/vV "»V ill-forisinVrpd nropowl tTip^ 't.TiP Jvci** imrtc-tant nrhvinf° m; Trplnnrl w*'-! propared to resist at. tho ; ; point- of the bayonet. ...'/:. ■ ' Tlip present , Bill was irndpnvnt," to n.eenp-'mplisn the purnoso for which- it ■<vas in+voduoprl. pn-mel' I*.1 *. hr'ncnri<T rViont .*• m «■>•» ntmoo-nTiere of apOli'!r«n»ic'f- nnrl r"^ocl^yi]l. Tit-f 'Vl^n qnpe.irpd y>o". r +o b« ' rr>t*Tf att-oipoWp . f-hp.*?---ever. "AllTiousrh.^ it vi? cleV." T^r4 La,T<sr''vvm 1 p w/<nf, n^ %o say. ( "fh^f soTnetlriprr inav riow he done or ntf«inri£~ pd iff nvert. a ofllapiUy. t h* bill is t-r> ft^ert,' 'th»K''csila.ir»»t.'r. -Fy-. i" donbiv hat^fuij to'.'.TTtstef iff; ijnnHps TTnTne Rnle for ♦'*»'' rp«it ■'"'}'*. ty°V land .''nd tTie r-eveT-nnee of TTUfnr Tinip^* 1 i^<s from their brot^ipr TTniori'ts 'i.-> oth«r parts. Tlie ; TTnionist,-- . m ■• fhc oth^r thre" nroyjnces eofi'aliy . resen^ men % severar.ee. ' ' V "The worst count, m tbe i»flictrnf>T>f ; a <T ain c +. thp Ooverr^epf is f^" vpresi si t.v for exclusion .-.' f^r 'p-t of..- worse 1 thinnrs. '■ (CHeers.V If exclusion is ppcf>R«"r V tTifl TTninnits p»*ot*st nMipet th^? fiitiTe. '-i«"'ous form of exclusion offered mi n *>,o T^ill." rniP^rs.V y . , :. Prkntinuiuff, Tjord^T.nnHoM^ie / s.-»irl[ hW lielipy-pcl that *-^C- orif »nnl prono«al mnd" Fv Mr A«nuith/Wn 9 wns n»t pinoprp. (Chep.rs.y' Tf +lio r?ov<»Trime"+ desired to presin'*t?\to : a crisis it rtvaYfr nr»t have d^ns^d a. more vnfortitnflte or more perverfle n^thool of obtoininc ex^lusiqn than tho plan ojF voting by counties. ■'.•". ■■■ -' ; "Conceive a. Plebiscite taken m distn'ets where feeling was mnninof \att\i: and parties were evenly balanced ! Th> result would -be. , a saturnalia of intimidation and corruption. The time limit seemed absurd, vexatious, and sitperfluous. If any counties voted itt favor of being left otit Jiow, Parliament 'would not be justified m oompellinjr theitte|t(> come m six years hence. : The'LorclLieutenant then would be %^d\rjsed i by Nationalist Ministers, an^wbtifd likely be a Home Riuler himself."' The failure of this last effort to arrest a catastrophe might mean an. irremediable misfortune to Britain. Some people talk light-heartedly of allowing red blood to flbw. Personally he was move alarmed at tho prospect of its permanent stain and of i their disgrace., m the eyes of the civilised world. ,^« appealed to the Government for a better solution.of the Iriah problem. Lord Bryce pointed out that the Lordt Lieutenant of, Ireland now was a. Hoirie Ruler, but the Bill provided that the Lord-Lieutenant should act on behalf :of the King. Lord 1 Bryce went on to' say that he believed that the fears of the Irish Protestants were groundless. Many would enter the Home Rmle Parliament, and would thus provide a saleguard. Everyone desiring t\x& unity of L-elanjOj must object to any exclusion. ' i.While at wajj» reasonable for Protestants to object 'to temporary exclusiouj he suggested, that exclusion should not' be either permanent or temporary, I3e : thought that after a sufficient lapse of time the excluded- areas ought s to bej given 'the power to determine whether uiey should remain separated. The collective antagonism of Ifrotestaiits and Catholics did not amount to hatred. ' From <60 years' observation he believed that nothing could prevent them froni working together. . v , The Archbishop of York (Dr. Qosnio Oordon Lang) said that Ulster could not be. forced, and that therefore exclusion was the obvious and necessary .course. (Cheers.) "The BjUimbling steps of our English politics," continued ! the archbishop, "have stirred ;up the antagonists of the Irish people. I hope that a- sincere attempt will be made to sacrifico pai-ty advantage, and to give the coitn&v a last- chance of an hrtnorable ]icace" ' Lord Willoiighby do Broke moved the. rejection of the Bill. The measure, ho said, announced the humiliating failure of the CJovernmenfs Irish policy, and tliis meant tho complete* breakdown of the Parliament Act. Noav the Government came to tlie Lords, the despised iind rejected men — (laughter) — to help them out of its difficulty. v ; Lord" Willoughby de Broke, continuing, said that Lord Macdonnell's proposal of proportional representation, together with Home Rule within .Home K'Ul<;> ought to satisfy Ulster Unionists. \: MAKING ROD FOR 0W;N" BACICC - ' LONDON, July 3. The House of Lords was again throng* c.d yesterday, when tho debate was wmimed on the ; second reading, of the Amending Home Rule Bill' The galleries were crowded with peeresses. : Tlie Marquis of Londonderry said that, temporary exclusion of Ulster -would; .flot, effect a settlement of the, question . D\ning the intervening y*ars 'what woriVl hrtpixsn-to the trade and the commev'« .if the provini.^? IVvriiaiient excliiswon avouW ttlon» satisfy Ulster. Lord Wiiraborno contended that if tlie GovernuMnit tad been .guilty, of grouser mißn»BagißmenJj fchan ©y»x» that wito

which it was charged, the Opposition would not be justified m aiding and abetting armed resistance to Parliamentary action. Tli© Ministry had suggested temporary^ exclusion m order to give time for passions to cool and apprehensions to be allayed. If the Unionists did not help to bring about a settlement they would be m- a very difficult position themselves when they came into power, because they would be confronted with armed opposition, which their own policy had called into existence^ Earl Dunraven urged that the simplest Avay was to drbp the Bills and Call a convention to reform the whols of tlie United Kingdom upon l<!ederal lities, and *and, to ask Irishmen to submit whatever recommendations they had to make respecting their own country. Lord- Islington thought* that Ulster should be ■ excluded until it came m by its own consent. . Lord Halßbury , suggested that Lord .Willougliby dc Broke should withdraw his amendment proposing the rejection of the Bill. Lord Sydenhairi declared that they must face the situation and act quickly. It was, however, impossible to command a' permanent solution of the problem. That would be obtainable only through consent. ? ,*■ . , Lord Courtney advocated Home Rule within Home Rule. . The debate was carried on for some time by the back and cross bench Peers, and was then adjourned until Monday. . ■