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PROVINCIAL COUNCIL.

I Tuesday, Nov. 25. [ At the close of the debate on Tuesday, the House t went into committee of supply, when the Provincial £• Secretary read; the following estimates of revenue ! and expenditure Estimates of Rbvenpe. ORDINARY. v £ 8. (1. Customs ... ... ... 18,000 0 0 Immigrants ... .. ... 4,000 0 0 Fees, licenses, &c. ... 3,116 3 9 Surplus revenuo ... ... 1,200 0 0 Total ordinary revenue 43,118 3 9 i TERRITORIAL. i ' land sales ... •... 120,000 0 0 Pasturage , ... ... ... 16,000 O O Balanos at credit ... ... 80,883 16 3 ToW territory revenue ... 216,883 16 3 / : spsciax. ~ ; Railway debmturesjitunnel,,... 60,000 0 0 ... 60,000 0 0 Canterbury loan , .telegraph .. 7,500 0 0 .r > . i \° 0 ■' Total special revenue i>; . • li^poof r 0 0 Summary ofEstimated Expenditure. \Permanent charges ... ~. 3,306 10 0 ! /jExmitive ... .. .. 2,081,10 0 f El&foraT; ... ... 50 0. 0 ! legislature;.. ... ... 875 0 0 • Administrationof justice... 8,252 19 10 ' Inspection'of sheep-... ... ' 682 10 ! 0 .; : Wastelands 1 17,319 16 8 i Harbor, including lighthouse ... -$000 0 0 1 Charitable aid ... .} . 1,8131711 I Hospital , . ... 2,200 0 0 Immigration (amounttohe expended v,-;% |i V* 953 .. . 30,000 0 0 Geological survey 1,125 0 0 I Education ... ... 6,450 0 0 j Weights and measures ... ... .350 0 0 j Plantations . ... . 688 0 0 i Gimertd miscellaneous .. 21,212 10 0 I Publio works . 165,529 6 7 , Telegraph 1,100 0 0 I : Steam > 3,750 0 0 Diversion of Boads 5,000 0 0 - ~ 3XTRAORDIWARY WORKS. < j Lyttelton & Christehurchurch Hail--.way, tunnel, *> . . 50,000 0 0 ; Main linefrom Christchurch to Ferry- i: ; : ! mead, ... 50,000 0 0 I Telegraph.... . 7,500 0 0 I Bridges ... ... ... 7,500 0 0 ; " Total Expenditure ... 383,849 0 0 j After reading the above amended estiiriatesj the Pro-j vincial Secretary obtained votes aa'detailed below. 'Thei ;firs,t eleven items* were' voted -at the ; rittiHg i: of the Goibi-' jnittee ;of;Bupply on Nov; 20;-the remainder! jfcjusievening:— . i » :: vxr.'w.* | &c. ... ... dstsoo j • Immigration barrack, Timaru ... • 500 _• .Surrey:and'public works office ... - 300 j Hospital ... ... ... 300 j ; Bond fromTimaru to Mount Cook District : 2000 ! . Improvements; between the boundary of | Otago and Pass, .I'.l ff : 500 | Improvements from Burke's Pass to the ' ... , ... .... 600 j Arowenuay to Marshall's Ferry, on the j Eangitata 600 Establishment of ferries in Mount Cook j ;/o distncfc£ ; .. 600 i District-roads 600 | Ceatral'and Nothern Diatnct-r-Timber, r < ! 'l;wi;ironj girders, &c. 4000- I Supfeme ; Court 1500 j Gaol ... ... ... ... 2000 | ~Wood for Provincial Council Chamber SQO j Clock tower... . ... ... ■ ... 1000 ; Xunaticasylum ... ... ... 2000 j 'Immigration barracks ... ... 1000 ' Clmstchurch hospital addition ... 750 j 'Lyttelton J hc)spital' ' ... ... ... 1500 Canterbuiy museum ... ... 1000 Ponder magaziiie ... ;; -500 Weka pass works, to open up communica- •- f; ; : : ; lion.with Kelson.v. - ri;.. : i.. 2500 . ! East Christchurch road ... ... 600 Ellesmere junction road: ...• ... 2000 BridgeatSte wart's creek... ... , 900 Governor's hay road ... ... ... 1500 Gebbie's passroad : ... ... 2000 Dyer's pass road- 1000 Harewood road ... J.. ... 1920 HoonHayroad 500 Bridlo track to the Grey, and explorations : of the-coal.field . ... . 1200 Town of Christchurch .. .. 8572 10 Papanui bridge, to;be re-built by Provin- : cial Government.. .. . 2000 To wri of lyttelton' ... ... 2700 Town,of Klaiapoi ... ... ... .750 . Heathcote navigation ... ... 600 Avon clearing ' ... ... ... '~fiOQ pie House adjourned to Wednesday, at 5 p.m. WednbsdaYj . Novejiber 26. Present pAlLtfce members except Messrs. Rhodes,

Armstrong, Newton, Rich, Eoßs, Peacock, Tosswill, Harston,.and;.White.;: . : .-i ivj'fv':?■ oC; tr, U*; on The Speakertook the chair at 5 p.mywhen prayers were read, and the minutes of the previous .sitting ' A petition from schools connected with the Church f of England, 1 praying for increase of accommodation, j presented by Mr. Buckley, seconded by Mr. Wes-j tenra, was read and received. . The report of the Select Committee on the Pro- j vincial Council Library w;as brought up, when some S discussion arose as. to the advisability pf allowing niembers to have the use of books without the pre- * cinicts of the, library. Clause '6' was' amended in; committee, recommending that books should be , confined to the building, leaving" the Speaker a dis-; cretionary pbwer tb' permit, in particular ca.ses, the: removalof books for a pieridd of twenty-four hours,j after which the report was adopted, and ordered to ' ' '• ' r ' ; The ; following message was received from the Superintendent, and read by the Speaker: — j " The Superintendent transmits for the information of the Council, the case of an award made in; favor of Mr. Peacock, for compensation ; for tenant right over eight - perches of. land in Ly ttelton,- required by the Provincial Government for railway .purposes. . , : . iii "Sowe. skirt time since the.Superintendent, pur-; Mased from Mr. George Lee, Attorney for the pro~*gsietor r certain, freeholds;. required for railway ipuiposes, of which the above eight perches .was underlease to Mr. Peacock, 17 years of which were: tben unexpired. r f riGv. ■ -iW*' : - Lee conveyed 8 acres, 2 roods, 22 perches of, lanjd, inclusive of the above 8 yerches, to the, Superintendent, free of all incumbrances whatsoever, the ;consideration money b£ing £950.. :>:ti 'f>Mr. ,Lee appointed; the Superintendent as his attorney to purchase . the tenant right of, Mr., Pea- j cock, agreeing, to indemnify the Superintendent in the price paid for so doing, v # " It was necessary to adopt . this course, as the promoters of Itheraifway : were the only .persons who; hftd powers at law,to-, compel. the , surrender of in;tereßts. ; affected 'by < the railway. The result of the ; arbitration is that a compensation of £1,300 ;for the , surrender, of the, tenant right has been awarded to Peacock, which with the fees, for abitration, am'oimtingtp jEII2 15s, makeß a sum of £1,412,15s pjicejb&jb© paid, for ft lease of 16 yeajrs over, "eight perches of land, ( / ' _ . < "The Superintendent requests the opinion of the ' ;,18t.%As • to i whether the award is to be accepted by the Government or not. . A ; considerable doubt exists in,the'mind of the Superintendent as to the Equity, pjf; paying so large a compensation as awarded bythe,arbitrators. . < • 2ndly. .In the event of the award being accepted andpaidby theGoyernment as afairequiyalenifor th%, .gufrender of. the leasehold - iriterestof .only a small portion of the estate purchased -frpm Mr. ; Lee, Council think it ireaspnable apd just to h°l4 (Mr. Lee harmless of the loss .involved in so fcreat a of the value, of, property the subject of a contract with the ■ : "W. S. Moobhodsb, . . ■:-n <, V ".Superintendent of .Canterbury.'' The Pbovikcul Secretaby Btated his intention

pf bringing the matter under consideration at the next sitting. . """"" v _The "Amended Roads Bill was reported to the House, .with the understanding that it should, be com nutted oh Friday. ?l * r f • I _ .Correspondence relative to a rejected offer of the ™ ver Grey coal company,. wn9 laid, on the table. I o The report of a select'cbmmiteee on' Wilding a Superintendent's residence, was; brought up and re ad. The committee were of opinion that such building should he erected of durable materials, and that it should be of so permanent "a character as to preclude the possibility for a very long tirae to come of any need for further outlay. But seeing in a short tiiiie, huildingi materials would- probably be much cheaper. ,111;,. Christchurch than at present, owing to the improved 'means of transportation', it was considered desirable to postpone the matter for „the,present. The committee also called, attention to the inadequate salary of the Superintendent, in comparison with that of other' the colony, and; recommended tliat an add.ition of £500 be made to'his present salary. " '■' ' This pß6vTOeiAi SECRETABY < said it was the inV tention pf the Goyernment to adopt the, .report, and lie should move an Amendment on the' Supetiniraident?s Salkiy Ordifaatice'atsthe next sitting. ' • ; - . T;h§ j;hen >vent intq committee, to consider ..the fonbtfing "1. That • his Honor ' the Superintendent be respectfully •, to ; isaue, a ; commisssion to inquire as to the Best site and form for a wharf in Lyttelton.' : i-i:*3 ' ■

. " ?•' 'hi?. Honor the. Superintendent be authorise; to proceed with such works as may be recommended by the %aid commission to an extent ' not exceeding £50,000, pending the further approval of this Council. ": ! ;" " '

"That any works to be undertaken should be of a permanent ; character, and subservient to the traffic , of the Lyttelton and Christchurch Railway." V The Provincial Secretary, in introducing these said that the Government had done so : wjth" the view of alleviating the great inconvenience ; produced by the want of adequate wharfage accomi-! modation, an inconvenience which would, inevitably i increase in a! ratio with! tlie increased prospeiity and ■ advancement of ; this province. ; The ' Government! were not in a position to produce statistics shoeing i the trade' likely to accrue to any contemplated exten-! sion, hor yet were they able to give a reliable esti-1 mate , of ; the cost :of ■ such a great work I as this must necessarily be. It is proposed; r to enable : the '' Superintendent to apjDpjiit 'a j cogumsuyi, in which the best engineering, nau- j tical, arid mercantile experience of this province ! would be fully represerited/ whose business "it should ] „be.to,take-evidence :on every, case bearing on this: important point—whether! it would be desirable to j throw out an indeijeiidertt wharf, or continue the i :embatlkment , now being made to the extreme eas- i terririiost point of the harbor—whether stone founda-: tions and iron girders, or wooden understructure should be adopted, would be their province to deter-' mine. r In. the event of a -favorable report from that • committee, it was'proposed to empower the Supetifi- 1 tendent to enter into contracts to the amount of; £50,000.; Not that it was proposed to limit the total : expenditure on the work/to that sum, but to avoid ! unnecessary -delay, which ; otherwise would occur.; The preseht wharf is leased to a i private individual, for a consideration bf £200 per annum. Last year, the net proceeds Of the wharf: (£l5O being deducted for salary of wharfinger) was £3,29 19s. 9d., it being at that time in the hands of j the Government. \ !

Mr. Fitzgerald thought that by far the best course ' to pursue waa to appoint- a commission of persons com- j petent to decide ;on this question, but thought it was desi-f' rable that"the gentlemen proposed to be employed on thai ! 'commission should be named. He wished to know if it\; was intended to be proceeded with at once. r : 'It - Mr, Tubnbuil could not see the necessity of appoint-'| ihg'a commission at all. He thought the House should' ■ hear the evidence, and ho believed they were quite com- j petent to judgesof.; the expediency or otherwise of . any { plans to be proposed. v j Mr. Fyfe was convinced of the necessity for a commission, but at the same time agreed> with the hon. member who spoke last, thajb the Council should decide ; on the advisability of any steps proposed to be taken in ! the matter. ; -v.. . • j Mr. Buckley, though -largely interested in the ques- ; tion, felt loth;to give an opinion, but he thought that it' might be left in the hands of a commission, properly j qualified,' to advise the Government as to what 1 hey really i did want in this case, and the best, means of accomplishing j the ends in view. - • J Mr.* FitjzGehalp was sorry to weary the House, but i felt it to be his duty to protest : against the mode in : which the resolutions were brought before the Council, i Only last night the Council had had a Financial State- j ment brought down to them, which was represented to | be a winding' up—an end to those demands which were j perpetually being made. But twenty-four hours had scarcely elapsed; when another proposal was introduced, ' in which they were asked to place £50,000 in the hands i of the Superintendent to dispose) of as; he should think j proper. To-morrow they might be asked to vote another j £50,000 and sp on, till there really seemed no limit to the i absorbing powers of those who had the happy privilege tV The ." Council were con- j stantly being- placed- in the position of not know- j ing how they stood. ' There was no plan, no system I Mowed by the Government ; in the demands for : thiese appropriations. Thev were constantly bringing forwards driblets which had already swelled the estimates of enormous to' the eontem- j jplated: revenue.> ? ITe 'could see m i these measures, and j • particularly in the 6ne:now under consideration, a 1 further attempt to : wrest from, that Council the power j whicli already seemed to .lie. grasp. \ He denounced it not only as a barefaced attack upon the j constitutional powers of the Council but it was also > one of. those peculiar insults which the Govern-! ment think it part of their duty to offer to the House,' whose complaisance they think is. so great: ' that any sum of money they (the Government) like to | ask for will be granted. The commission might recom-1 .mend the expenditure of 'this £50,000 in such a manner' as ' to; involve ffie expenditure of a much larger sum to! render it productive; jThey might recommend a plan; whose details would require.; £150,00Q or £200,000 to j tarry out, and it was sought to give the Superintendent: power to,, act independently of the Council. . And who ; shouldsay thaty'he. .would not use that power by ini-; tiating a series of involving an expenditure; "never contemplated by tliem in their most extravagant \ moments. They all knew that they would be called: upon to vote an increased sum for the railway; no man! with commoii Bense - thought -that' £250,000 would - be ; sufficient •«<>?«. But the Government wished to place i them in the position^of the dandy mounted on a'fiery j horse in the crowded streets, of who, hopeless of' other mean? of extricating himself, determined to shut j his eyes andwhip, i'j (Laughter.), That .is exactly what \ the Groverhment were asking them to do—to shut their! eyes and whij>. It was now some, months since the Pro-; "vincial Engineer reported on this Subject; plenty of time • ;jiiad elapsed r to enable the Government to mature their; . plan—if plan they had—which might have been presented : at the commencettierit'of the session, and if adopted, been: in full tide of- progress now ; but ihstead of that they introduced their measure at the fag end of the session, when there was no longer time to make the required in-; vestigatioh, and "to obviate 'this difficulty they proposed investing the Superintendent with the powers which j legitimately-belonged lonlyi to that. House.: Mr. Dobson : was so enamoured of his report. that he- went to the ex-; pttgsFoFhaving "it "printed, ana to enhance its value he flHdftd iW TTthopraphic plan of his bantling. He (Mr.; i(itzU6fftld)'-teIIHVM Tli was the practice,of, engineers to; make a survey first'and from data thius obtained construct! a plan.T"But Mr. Dobßon, with characteristic ingenuity, conceived the brilliant and original idea of making his plan first and survey afterwards. In that plan he had : carried' the jetty over a mud-bank to a point at which when'he took his soundings afterwards, he found the: shallowest, water; He now said that it would cost £40,000' ; to get two. fathom*, and £100,000 to get -three ; .fathoms of water... He had condemned his own plan; he had him-: self most clearly shown that his former statements were; : fallacipiis, and the unfavorable opinions of practical men ' were not wanting to insure its, He (Mr. FitzGerald) 'should support the ftdbjjtiori'of the first clause of these resolutions, but would vote against the one succeeeding it. : ; .. Mr. BEAi.EY thought that the motives of Government were pure ( but still he would like to know the names on the commission; -All the members of the i Council were certaiiily no* engineers, nor yet were tbey sufficiently up in nautical subjects to give an independent opinion, but he could credit them with a sufficient amount of common sense to take the benefit of the experience of others. Let them take to employ competent, men, in whom the House could place confidence, and as it would be evi-' dently near six months before any action could be taken in the.matter. he thought it would be <juite as well to. leave t\ie decision' with the IJouW on their next session. Mr. Bxbch could not see the necessity for a wharf yet.

;It r appearM r thW'th6'Lytt<jlto*n , llailV'ay f 66 , uid i iidfc'be ! 66MI pie ted in lesstb anfotn-y eWs .'from' this? timeU'-They'likd ■voted forjtHe 'FerrymeadSßailwayjjand 'iiowrthey to »know.>where; these, sui^ftwerel to' come-frgmu; ; It seß^d . , it was not "possible, nor, did it seem neceasary, ,fo.r the ito ;name the gentlemen who would be. pii. the commission. It would certainly b6'the object ! of the Superintendent to secure the serrices of those who are best capable;of giving l information on 1 the points 'required; He iiiust sffy tliat the hon. member for Akaroa never lost a slant' to'throw blame on' theicondulct'iof; th'e'JGdvernmeat; .whethte'Ee was right in so.doinglwas doubtful, ahd.uhe (the ;Provinr cial Secretary); would .claimitheibenefiti of ; :the;doubtiii :It was far frqm the intention of the Govemment to force an unconstitutional measurev on thp. .Council; indeed/their chief reason for proposing this..measure"was to,forward the workj and do awayVwitli .d and if/the firist clause of thesei i resolutions w re adop ted, their 'obj ebt | Would'be iiearly accomplished.' Itwould rfequirfe at" least iviro/mohth's 'wsib ' desirous of acquiring, and considerable time" taken up in tlie arrangement of preliminaries, making i contract, &c., so that he had nojpbjeqtion to deferring the i reception of that rS^H'Mweihext v the Council. I He might: alsoi Btote;ithatatHe3iG'oveiSnment would have i accepted a smaller.sum'ithanithe | judged advisable to adopt the resolutions. ~ ... j Dr. TuRNBULt thought "the" horirmember' for Akaroa j correct in his judgment of . the Government. It was , no wonder that a the hon. gentleman so elegantly | expressed it) was never lost.' The conduct of the Government throughout this session had been loose and slovenly ! in the extreme. He was inclined to view the conamission | sought .to;be, employed as ; a mere;executive: measure; j of receiving unprejudiced evidence, they "would j hearTOerely theopinionsoftheGovernmentfromotherj exponents. ; ; (Cries:of.l'No, no."), , r ynh- j ' Mr. OLiivliii^^recollected^^"precedent'in point.' When 1 ther'railway \was)iirstj undertaken,; a commission., was j appointed, and the names of the gentlemen forming that: "commission were'required.His 'could See • very well that \ the commission might give .a Government report. He | doubted the worth of the Provincial .Engineer's opinion, | seeing the vacillation of that' gentleman's- plans; i The ] commission decidedly ought to be in . the hands of jnde- j pendent and qualified persons; if such were not in'the ; province—which he was far from for them at any cost. If they undertook this great work let them; do it well; c-j'i!" i \

Mr. Beswiok saw a difficulty in naming the commission. "One of its'most'valuable elements Would be the nautical :gentlemen.r; The; .woOlr season ;was ijust coming on—a time when they generally had more of that peculiar talent at their alluded- to' thb captains of ships who were more numerous here, at that.season than at the present. He thought it a matter more in their province to decide even than that of the engineering part, and being absent, they certainly could not expect the "Government to name those of whom they are not certain. Mr. Ollivier was very much amused; at what had fallen from the last speaker. The opinions of the captains of vessels: likely to arrive, upon whom we were to pliace so much reliance, might not be worth a farthing. v There were many captaihs of ships who had been here who would be the; very • last, persons we should apply to for information. "He'believed there were men here fully competent to decide the question to be proposed to them. He remembered at the: time of the .present government jeitty extension, much'valuable inforiination had been collected from people within the province, ;and y/e , were ;in the skme position now. He thought sufficient talent was at hand to poiht out "the prbper method of executing this necessary work. . Major HornbßoOk suggested that the Marine Board -wojuld be: the best judges in this matter. They might be expected in this province and as the members of that board had been selected for their great experience in such cases, he thought- it woiddjbe wise to refer to Jhem for their opinion. . "" ; Mr. Cox briefly stated his belief that the interests of the province would be best served by deferring the mat-, ter till the evidence of the commission could be received by the Councp. ~/r^-v; The first resolution was unanimously adopted. The Provinciai. Secretary said that, as the opinion ; of the House had been so, strongly expressed, he should : withdraw the second clause: . - ;

. , On the motion of: Mr, Ollivier, correspondence between the Provincial government and the Grey river coal company was laid on the table; and in answer to a question from the same gentleman, ~ , . The Pbovinciai. Secbetaby said it ; was not the intention of the Government to recommend the Council to appropriate the coal reserve by sale or Igase to any public company at present, but they would: ask ft* power next session to let, the same on lease. ; One made already by "the Grey river ' coal company, but it had been deemed prudent to wait for more cpmpetitioh, which it was thought would hare a good effect i& raising its value in the market. - • •• -• ; • Mr. Beswxck moved that a sum of £250 be placed on the Estimates, 1 as grant for a mechanics' institute at Kaiapoi, when it was agreed ; that, the above ; sum should be granted, provided the inhabitants of Kaiapoi raised an equal sum. The ; sum of £s(X) : waß also granted for the purpose of making a road from Kaiapoi ,to the beach. : : j ~The Canterbury Local Marine Boards Bill, 1862, was read a second time,'passed j through Oommitte without debate, and was reported to the House, when the House adjourned for a quarter Of an hour. At 8.30 p.m., the House resumed, and went into . Committee of Supply. - ' I Mr.iBESWicK moved the reconsideration of the vote for the Provincial Secretary's department. He said that he had' wished to see this motion brought forward by other hands, but he wa,s;so conyinced of the; inadequate manner in which the gentleman filling the responsible office of ■Provincial Secretary was remunerated, that he could not allow thiSjSeasion to pass away without endeavoring to show his appreciation of the arduous duties connected -with that, office. •He believed; hp represented the feeling of the House when he said that they, were all aware.that the duties performed in connection with that office wire most onerous,rand the responsibility and literal hard work which devolved upon the Provincial' Secretary was rapidly : increasing. Whether they,considered the constant attendance required—the unremitting application to business ! exacted —or what was, perhaps, most trying—the con-' tinual demands on his patience, which, from his position, j he was called upon to! exercise—they! would all ar- i rive at the conclusion that such services demanded a j sufficient reward, or at least some greater acknowledg-' tnent than the salary at present allowed. He had j refrained from making this a subject of personal sympathy. He would merely allude to the courteous and able manner ! in 'which the gentleman who filled thai office at present { discharged his duties, but he .was more, anxious, to impress ; thP necessity of attaching sufficient emolument to the! office itself. If by'evil chance the office should become ' vacant, as it is constituted at present, he was very much \ "afraid that "no gentleman of sufficient ability coiild be ■ induced,to take upon,himself such,>arduous ?but iU : paid , duties. He concluded by moving J that £450 be placed on ; the Estimates of the! present year,*"for Provincial; Secre- i tary's salary, which is at the rateof. £600, per; annum. ; Mr. Shand; in seconding the motion, said that although i for the last 7 or 8 years nearly every thing had-advanced i at an unusual rate—though wo wore rapidly and prosperously prbgressing/yet the salary of the hiardest worked i of the public servants remained stationary; , and although |j the calls upon his time' arid labor were much greater ; than they were at that time.'yet they; did not seem to i have elicited any more substantial ackriowlpgemerit than j the admiration which he was sure every member of that house felt for thp conscientious discharge of his duties by that gentleman.' " ' ' I , : <; Mr. Wilson wished to know, , whether, if this were granted, it would not create a precedent. Would the salaries of all the public servants be raised P (No, no.) j .There were other ; and older servants r of[this -province, j fvhpse cases were as worthy of consideration. He in- 1 stanced thel Chief Surveyor, who, he said, 1 had: served ihis ) province faithfully for a period; ,of 10 ; or 12 years: whose time of servitude was,'in fact, coeval with the existence of •the province.v Might; there not;, some* jealousy, arise, by inakirir invidious distinctions in particular case?. " MriiiEOH could not ittgree with the idiea that the offices of chief survevor ..and provincial. secretary cases. ' The" Chief Surveyorj if -he wore competent arid so j disposed might probably retain his 'office ; for life, whilst I the Provincial Secretary was liable f to,be .ousted at any: iribment; The hon.' member then passed a neat coinpli-1 .ment on the satisfaqtory manner .in .which i the, y pffice' is! now; filled ; and said he should give th'e motiori his Hearty j supports yswi •'t-jauv "ic ' Mr. Davis hoped the Courioil would not meet this matter'in a niggardly spirit; He characterised the present salary ; as and. wouldjhoartily conour,if ift muohj larger sum were asked for. i Mr. WiLKiN, as an ontirely unpaid . member of the; Government, and consequently independent of it, ; with I Mr. FyrE; Miv Buckley, and the' Speaker, briefly but j cordially agreed in the necessity, of the j motion,- which: was then put and carried unanimpusly..; " " ] The House afterwards, with but; little discussion,* voted; tho following sums.:— . , ~> • District ... ... ... ... £5600 ■ Opening up timber reserves on the peninsula 1000 Arrears of salaries, second class inspection V " of police ... ... ... ... 106 15 ! ProvibcialTreasurer's department ; ... 189 . 8 ; Providing.a dipfor newly-landed sheop ... 85 ' Inspection of weights-aad mefisui'es -860 1 Public plantations • ... ... 688

- jr. Christchurch Meohaiuc^ipßjtitttte; ; ,P9P)Be»tf.-rT*7 <J i{ sation for site ' ... 250,, n Mechanics! Institute, Timaru. ~ ... , Vil 300 s! : : ; :: v 250 11 , 260 .'j of ... . 600 , . to Jlr. Cameron; , tpwii of Seftbn IQb j : Crrant in aid of Berey '„ 7.—' 77. ... .60 ' b j j 7T..77 • ; 300. >] Acclimatisation: ofapimala ... ... 5,00 Buildipg'places of wprship,... ■ ... 5000 ti .Publip,amusem!oritß.,.'. ... ... 250 r i ... ... ,2000 si BemetailiDg.Siaughterliouse road ... .500 ■ ' Eqad froii ,Waimakariri ferry to Oxford 100 , ... 100 i j Road IVotri Mijf bridge, ,to Fendall town vj . bridge .... . ■'' 350 Continuation of Stokes' road 150 | Con tinuationofiFendalltownroad ,40 i| 80 7 :, ."*'7 7.," ... 275 ... ... ... ,'5 Baxters feny... ... 114. 2 i Jiyonsidebriage, .1.,. ... . 276 9 i Archer's tiridgei;oad , ;„7 r ;.,777..7 (H)0 ~. I ... 600 ' t; V..... 7-": ... ... 000 j Bndg4;!ovefß[alwell 100 i ... ... l'cfek) " Forming Colombo street south ... ~ ! 500 . Beach road, -Eakppi,,.......: ... ... 7T&007 "" j Goyefnor'sßayVpad ; ... 506 j . Kmam ; ... ... .500 Sinking Veils"in Timarji ... !200 I Qld south 'road/ ... ... ,600. j ... ... 30 ] Maint'enance.pf.telegraph ... ... 1100 I AFter at! a, late, hour, the House adjourned to the.'usualhpur'oi 7' .. • ' ;l"'iTOoAYj'',N i 0v.' % 27.: .■■.,■ ' t The Speaker took.;the chairatsp.m. --Prayers were rend, ! and the minutes of the, previous sitting were confirmed. .. . j ;, Present: all themembers .except the Provincial Solicitor and Messrs. Armstrong, Lacce, ..Newton,. Ollivier, Peacock, Ross, ] Turnbull', > W_hite7^t»d..'.WiJlia.i^..^7r%":-v-''f 77..77 '77 .-.-i Mr. Bealey moved tjie .house into committee to oonsider the ; ' folioTring l 'prdpOMuiip^^^this couricil resolvps that' Mr. William White shall be allowed to' build a tramway from the timbered land at' Little Rive rj t o_C hristchiirch, .on'the following j terms*:—'; "'~ ; 7' 7'7: ! 7'77" ; '' i ''V7,7? " That Mr. White shall be-permitted to'make a tram way along the line reserved for a railway from Little River to Rickj man's corner orithereabbutsiSfcnd .fitQmliiisSction 1755 to section 1593 inclusive, may at. his,option, place the i triun,w.ayalong the side a rail* ■ way; that from Rickman'g.corner to Christchurch Mr. White shall place the tramway along such,side of the Lincoln road as he shall judge most suitable. Also', from section 789 to section 1851 inclusive, that Mr. White:shall in like manner be allowed to place a branch line along the side of the road rnnuing west- : erly, for the convenience of. (he district. adjacent ; that where the railway,, reserve .passes over land not aiie'nated' from the Crown, Mr. White'shall, at h'iii option," be c permitted'io.vary'his i , line from the. line l'eseryed for.a tail way.' -' ; ' 1 ; ; ' "2. That the worfcwhen completed shalf be performed to ! Cthe satisfaction of th'e'Provincial Engineer. 7 - • i "3. That from:ihe :point where. the tramway flrst reaches : ; Lake Forsyth to where it leaves Lake Ellesmere, the raiU shall | be plated : with iron. - <<U'- >■ hf. ■ '• 4. That the reserve of timbered ..land,r timber! standing npon roads, at Little River, shall' be made use of by < Mr. White, so far as may be required for, the trartfway atid frtr i -any necessary works connected therewith'.' • '-i 'J ! >:;u ; "5. That during the term of from cpmpletion' ofi the line, no competing line shall;be formed by the Provincial \ Government, or conceded to any private individual or coippany. i " 6. That Mr. White undertakes to open the line throughout, j within two and a half years from the conseat of the Piovincial; Government to thesiß resolutions. '!' * 1 . .. I ,"7. That the Provincial Government sWI npon resolution I of- the Provincial Council, have the optiou purchasing the : tramway on the following terms from the opening of.the line I "At the end of the 3rd year for the sum of 'jP^I9, OOO - ' 4th: .■ '/ ,42.000 \ .' .. - 6ih - 35,000 . j ~ 6th „ 28,000 ! » 7th „ 21,000 I », Bth „ 14,000 .V 9th „ 7,000 , " That, at the end of the 10th year, the tramway shall be given up to the Government, free of all charges and | obligation. • ■;. i,;..: j " 8. That during the time of this concession, the' tramway j shall at all times be open for the,use of.the public; at least one : ! train running each way per'cjiem, from the time of opening ,the i linei subject to" such reasonable delays as shall arise froin ' necessary repairs. '' ;: "J; That Mr. White shall be allowed to charge the following tolls upon timber, merchandise, and passengers from Little' ltiver to Christchurch— ' ; ■ : ; : • •••■• / 8. d. ; On firewood, per cord .. ..160 On sawn timber, per 1000 feet .. ..1 10 0 On shingles, per 10,000 .. 1 10 0 On posts and rails; per .100 . ~ 1 14 0 On paling's, per'lOOO i. ~ i lo 0 On mfrchandise. per ton, per mile .. 6. 1 0 On passengers,, per mile . . . .. 0 0 4 " The tolls upon timber and firewood shall be at the same i proportion .for: shorter.distances, provided that no distance shall ; be cliarged less thari for five miles for timber,'firewood, iher- j chandise or passengers, and .the. same conditions' shall be 1 observed on th« branch line of the tramway."' 11 ■ » i ' The motion for going into committee, having r'.M>n agreed to, j ■ ;■ Mr:. Bkaley said it was not necessary to d. iain the House ' to shew the desirableness of opening , ithe coriununication be- ! twixt Christchurchvand tbe.rtimbered, district at Little River. The .only question to decide was, should theyraccept^.''the', pro- : position of Mr. White, or the plan of the Proviiicial Engineer for a permanent railway. iThe latter project, it wtw estimated, ; would cost that bf Mr.' Whi'te would cost ; rhe country.nothing;, v (Heir, hear.) : Tlie expense of the; Proyih- [ cial Engineer's plan seemed to be * fatal objection, for, though i there was much valuable t|mber on the Utile; Riyi>r, there was not sufficient,to justify the expenditure of jfßoo,ooo to make it. available for pur poxes of utility; nor woiilflthe railway open ' up any considerable extent of country. The in short, • led to nowhisre;: arid he thought thaf~it would'be laid aside by ' the House and the'country in favor of the more economical arran'gemenf, ;of IMr. i White.: He concluded byi moving" the preamble to. the.proposition. • ! J '> Mr. Hawkks seconded the motion pro forma, in order that; he might ask if. Mr. White was competent to. carry, out. so ! great" an undertaking, and could fnrjiish a gqarantee" that he would do so. n - J ■' ' : ' ;i: •• | Mr. Bealef believed from the evidence given'before the committee by .Mr.fWhite, that he was quite equal to the work, not that he had himself sufficient capital, but because ihe iwas backed up by others who had. . Mr. Cox said that Mrr-Whitrhad-intimated in his evidence before the Select Committee. that he was prepared to give evidence, .---f ?•/.../; f;o . - (The 'evidence taken before the. Select, Committee was,here rp.ad hy tho elerk. In it Mr. White exhibits the fullest confl. dence. in' his own ability to carry out the work; but nowhere ; distinctly states that h'eis'prepared '- 1 '. Mr.i Bi'aCHrperceived'in the resolutions of the hon. member for:Ghristuhurchi i» rriatural. 6(Sq ierice !to the'action of the (.'bra- 1 mittce whose fevidence had: jußt been read. ißeploring as he i dirl tha of tijubnr in Chris .chrjreh, he ; w<>uld. Medially support, anything calculated to.reduce it jt.but heHbpqght that before alio win gso largelaworktobeuniiertaken asthe bne ;nbw proposed, should: have |iroper'sec'urity for its completion.-'He bad' been givenfio understand that ISIr. White- had offered" to'give such securityi'but did' not iSnd it-in ihereportyust.readv:''i;.'m'.'i;,;- , js {i-hi' icn ro .. 'Mr. HaRSTON explained that in committee evidence was generally.more fally giyen than rficorded. He had Mrr. .eyidonce, and, be had,said .confidently that fhe, cpuld command capital. aiid had seenrity to carry.odt the wprk. ' But he*(Mr. Harstoti) did uoi.'deera.it'fair irt ; ' thfe7Ceuhc!j;to*e!i:pect a bond. ;f Mr.- White was 'way tivgr the Wiiiuiakariri; ahd ; ;the.' : Conn'cil -had exacted !no •guuraiitee,.bei3g .convinced, with 'tho given iri this . case, that he was able' and willing to carry but.the" .undertaking. , Mr, BESWiC'K did^ot.agreej-.t^jlhat cpn_; 'ee^p>J^}lef^Jit'ih < a« the ,'right tp,demand,*a| gu,^ai^(se7; n ~and SbchgMranteejhebelieved.'Mr.White'waspfepafed '•''• 'n6tVe^Vd|'Sir.''White':iir^^;light of 1 ah'i ortlinary 'cb'ntrdctbrV'to'-whbm' ! a l 'ceHam-iimWn( , Vas j: pven j for the performance of a specified work'.!).!'lK'"Mr. ! iWhiie'i case', no.pubHc inpney waii to puss ito bimi and'.therefoie tho Goyernment could expect no guarantee. The best; gtjqrjiHtee,,that could bo given by Mr v White was in liis undertaking the"work, j If he failed, his loss would-be jintlnitely greater than theirs. ■ They should, therefore, *haye.ia, ; gnarantee that the work be : commenced cerVaip Jtiwe !; beypnd .that they had a | sufflcient guarantee*jn Mr.' White's i'self-iHte'rest., In a work of | this jiatnre .side", 'had j 'eyerything v 'fo"gaih ;-'tioiliing%'l^.r' >^^''Vw6li>ti6W;trere ! ,ino guarauteetcrJrlr.,Whlte.y lf : that'iteould j only amount to a kind of honorable pledge tbat;the cpnditioiis < should be'recognised in a bill.to .be passed nextsessiou; and j relying ou the good.fsith of the Council, Mr. White ,in the j meantime might be arranging the . preliminaries ; for' entering j ; upon his work j just'os.he'haddohe oh the'strength j . of the resolutions as" ! tp his conkrucftng,the' Wairaakitriri | bridge. ' This he contiderod a great proof of Mr. White'S'spirit j i ; arid enterprise; £ It.was true that by the .Speaker's ruhrig, the I 1 Waimaltariri Bridge/pillnwait prp^erly.ruled,-Ho b® J a public measure : hut this is a very different work, and muit j : be as. a 'priyate f9^l»j|» ir WWJl'»®r« j ~i than itny other would "give.'lifs cardial ; prppo>} j jiitloiu'for lie kncw nothlng raore e'sseutiai' to iirogroßS tlian'the! *i privnte ciitorprise, The proposition was 'fair and rea-! : i sonable j Mr.oWhiio, at s ii» oWu 'ccisti' would/furnish 1 greit j 1 public convenience if .the'^mninfln't..«iHildt'ftllow , .BO.' bbatacle I i.l to. be thrown in lijs way. and the* y(onld \indertakp.to; fl pass ,alb|ll,lgiyi|>g i 'high\Yay,and;.anvvay ( 'rcsetves<i 7 r I'i ' Tho ! oiftr (hp M 'flirtdge j ßiill ihould be 5 as a a a i private one. In the former case the bridge waa connecting the i

1 ' little RiVer 'jd 6ettje tyjroferijP'tif iiidrviduar. at thooghtthe queVtionof a goaritbtee'Waii'bf but trifling importance *if : the WfeAn^'Bßt'tne enterprise; they mifih't feat:MrarM.it '#biilalt ' -Fdrihiii' own 1 vWK/be' Mft'White wiftrJtPße saffleletitly Bicked'ii'p 1 6:1 t>i»*:wiuttwn s<« -teat Mr. Berwick contended that giving Mr, White the privilbffa of laying his tramway bit'the highway wdsequivafenttogiving him money;.and therefore he should'be called on to fariJitih'* guarantee that lie would comjilete the proposed work; '-' J 'Mri TbBSWJtr, 1 said that Mil White tb tramway to Kickmau's corner,'before be came to "'the highway, and would by that time have spent a very largHsntbof' money -unruly a guarantee snfildient'tb satisfy all reasbiiiable ilkin should support'th'e' resolutions, but'tbe i t3*owrar> meat muKt huve aguarauteeihat Mr. White woal'd'carry out the work to their sutiaruhion. The etedit'bf 'the' pfovlitte would be at stake in the matter; for if itr'Tailedj'the finger of scorn wonld .tie iioinfed'at them;-not at Mri White". ' . 'vidual Bsted fol- two year* landa half tocomplefehlir wo*fc; v *nd if fib : request' wfere giu'utedy they tbuld ; 'not move' durititf'that period to make aprovi'sion for bpehiriff tip- that valuable 'tititMfr■district, however much they might be convinced hereaftek' lliit Mr: White could work-|o a 'Mri 1 tiEALBY' coold not'see the necesnityof the abandohM"byf its tlfo-'ObVittffiijnf Would be freb to make another Contract. ~ h <i v ' ,; * "■»w-v^. Mr; Hawkeß : would like air amendment fo : the , 'fefifeiaf i tWit, Mr. White BhoulclsatisfyiheConricirthathehtuithe'nie'iinii'tb carry out the work. "• .hwn o;.ri Mr. Rhodes-showed that' if thb 'work vrere coni'pletW to Forsayth and Ellesmere, the and thai fact wouldbe a rtfiSlciißnt that tlie whote Woiild be completed.' •' ; ' r ■'< >' m.a r?" .ycvxlH The Speaker thought Mr. White deserved the'thanks of the. lionno and of the ! c6untry for anderttk&g trigreata work ; instead ; of haviiig difficultiei thrown in hw way eVery help should be rendered him by the Government. The-flrif Half bf the work was shown'to be the mo*t diWi'uit' porttbnfi s «isidlK-th« whole were- noi 1 completed within 2J years the GoVenkihtti't niight take it. ';; •"> v-<iYXv*fr «< ;• a-,»«•» ( t,u 'The ' PboviNCiAt SKCKETARY Baid that if thege reiblntioii* were agreed to by the' hou»e, the mode of carrying 'ob't ; the 'contemplated undertaking must be left'in some measure to the Executive; The Superintendent was an essential-elemeitin the Government, and in his behalfhe (the'SKteiifyy'jurist be heard. The Superintendent liad ' the right 'to''say 'in what manuer the will of tiie council should be carried<biit," iio as to conserve the public weal; and they could not bind him strictly to ihe letter of these; reßolutidns/ 1 In the first plafeei Where' Art tramway traversed ' private property, the Government must demand that White should obtain' titles toHhe land, "an'd depbsit them in some Secure place. Plans bf'the %ork mJit :be tiubmitted' to ; the'approval l of-the'enginiSir;'-! There *ss •'* Government reserve of 750 atres of bUsi at Little of which had been aside especially for Mi£%Hte shonld;nbt be allowed/to pick the timber so 'ai to spoirti'# mainder. Timber wan the material'prin('ipally to' be' uitjd : 'in the tramway, 1 and as that was given ty the public, ' thtfy haa'i right to impose strict conditions. The line should be completed within a given time, and"guarantees be taken forili 1 execution. . He perceived that fixed sums were^appointed; 'for which the line might be ;b6nght 'at f varioiis T pe«bd4 bu'f he thought it preferable that r the value should be ascertained bjr a jury. (Cries of ! no arbitration,") " The iiue'shbiild be kept in good-repair, and the Provincial Engineer have the'right to snpervise it. In order too that the work inight be available for attaching to the railway When it fell intb the polisMsibit'o f the Government, the gauge should be the 1 same as th'at"of ;tlio Lyttelton' and Christcharch Railway. ' ?m T.ir-"- > The preamble was then pot and carried. ; ' xh' Mr. BEAiky'(on the : flrst * clause bemg read) explained that Mr. White wished to -have the power to vary the line so as to avoid extortion by pnvate holders;' ' ■ ■ ; The Provincial BecretarVmoved an addition to the'effect that Mr. White should obtain a clear freehold title to nil private lands over wliich : tlie - tramway may pass;'befor^'theline is opened for traffic. ; : i;"';: ■ ;

Mr. Wiiki.v seconded the motion for the addidofi,'and iaid I A»t he had no objection to the tramway rnuningover tberail- ' way reserves and turnpike, but wherever it 5 diverged so as to J en'er uponprivate land each land oughtto be bought 7 by Mr. j Mr. FitzGebald thought that was' conceived in a niggardly i spirit. If he Were Mr: White he would buy no land at all,,but I keep to the turnpike. The tramway would be a great advani tage to farmers, enabling®, thura to bring their produce 'rapidly j info, the market even in seasons when theordinary tarnpikewas | impassable. !He 'wished to see a traranrayou every tutapike; ! and if - private proprietore had an enlightißned tfreir ; own iuterest they would give the land for suihaline ; as that'proposed. The bon. member briefly alluded'to the ■ history of buying land for the English Railways, especially'of i the Great Western line, and pointed out that "though atllrst | starting a diseased selfishness prompted the landholdere^to i demand exorbitant compensation forlandtaken,theyWere { soon so convinced of the; enhanced value giveto to theiir estates • by railways running near them th t tbey were only too to '{ give land for the purpose* of the line. So too would it be jfere, t when men .became wise. He thought ; 'the Goverliment'very ; niggardly, especially about the timber reserve. '' Until ;the '< country were opened up by some such work as this; the timber was valueless; of that materiar principally the line'was to be • constructed; the Government wished' to prevent Mr. White : from selecting that which would -be best suited to his purpose; ; and in the same breath asked that the Engineer )nigHt'be : allowed to condemn the work if not.executed of the best material. (Hear, hear.) ; Mr. Wiiki.n said the Government did not'want to confine : Mr. White to any particular line, but they most have a freehold : title to private land on which it was laid, or the line would be •: valueless when it was given up to the country. 1 r \ "■■" • .. ' Mr. FitzGerAi,d was opposed to the railway ever being given up to th* country: It was a novel principle which'obtained here that a private undertaking should after a certain ! Axed period be given up'to the ; Government; aud the iidei'that : such an arrangement was advantageous to the pulilic was'a fallacious one. If a private individual spent in tbe i construction of a railway which'he'would have to give .up at the end of ten years, it most be self-evident that he would during those ten years charge a tariff that would not only yield him ; interest onhis capital but also repay him the ;f6o,oo6invested. That money the public had to pay; and it was childish 'to 'suppose that by making the Government theowuers on soeh terms they were obtaining any real advantage. It was much better that MK White, if he ' made the tramway, should coutinue its possessor, and thereby be enabled to carry timber and merchandise at lower rates than he'would as a prudent man charge, if be had to repay himself the cost of its construction in ten years. Besides, if the property were for ever his own he would have a keener interest in keeping it in good condition; and I>liould the next few years shew it to be desirable, he might change its character from a temporary to a permanent work, by making it. in the full sense of the term; a railway. The addition proposed by the Provincial Secretary Was agreed to, and the second clause was passed; as were also the'third fourth and fifth claases, without any discussion. ' After the sth'clause; : Mr. FitzGeraid moved the insertion of a new clause; as follows " That at the end of such time the Government shall be at liberty to resume , the possession of any reserves' occupied by Mr. White; or to charge such, rent as it may think fit for the'use thereof; and may require 'Mr. White to remove the twnWay from: any reserve'or'road over which it may pas's." ' ' :A ",Xhis clause was agreedto'without discussion. ' The 6th clause was with the addition of ihe words—" Failing which, the Government bo empowered to enter upon the work without any payment whatever." ; • j ; , 3 . : t . The 7th 'clause was struck out, on'the motion of Mr 1 FlteGerald. ' • ; '•• The Bth and 9th clauses were agreed to without diicMifot; The 10th clause was postponed until Friday, ii order to allow Mr. Bealey to confer ,with Mr. Wiiite s*h to somemodifl. Cation of' the tariff, ! aud' to fix aprice for carrying stone and agricultural produce. [' '" :Ki '' *"• 1 "V Down to the charge for merchandise the' origriiat clause was agreed to',;and the following additions complete' theclause as passed:—:' v y ■ .. .. ..«• _;di" Passengers per mile (not less tban 5 uiiles.. .. 0' 4 Stone per ton per mile (not less than 10 miles) 0 9 Grain.; „ ;. . '\vl-.'O • \'Woool per bole of 8 cwt.' ' 3 0 . Sheep per truck. load of no fewer than 20 .. „ 40 '• 0 On.slaughtered carcaiss per ton ; ' Withtheexception for distances as. above the tolls, be in.thii I same proportion for : shorter distances, and the same condition shall be observed in the branch line of the tramway.-;' The above .charges .shall remain in force for tliofiratthre* years.from the opening of the line. From 3rd year to 6th at a reduction often percent, on: the above:. <1. -i.\ From the 6th year ,to 9tb, at a further reduotion of Vper • cent. -1 'From 9th yeai; at a further .reduction of s.per cent.; • The House having resumed,. v r , : : . . . ( ,1 , Mr* Bsswick obtained leave, to introdnce< a bill entitled the Bail for Petty Offences. Bill, which was read a.flttt time., , : The' Provincial Skcrbtary moved thSt'Jthesresolntibns of this council on tho subject of b6 i«ktended for six months from to without debate. The moving the adoption of the report upon tlie' otflcikl v i*estdence 'for a superintendent, said that it hud been former)y4he intention of the Government to appropriate the to the especial purpose ?Wl n K .• suitable residence t^e. fuperintendent; it was a or|ginatly. , natural aU.va'ntages; ,altliQiiiglj of cbnsiderahje extent;' ' that 17 chains oiiljf ftf fe^Viig'^ViiUlcli-^ttvfe 1 been' rtqnired,' ' it' was Within the GaVSrhment officii y ut iiad all iherural betobtaified elsewhere". HBut os mutters noW'stood, l lhat uitfliwil desirable., v - Tliei.portion of ;randfgtaittid;to and!>ivw; by : the college, )*ad ; greatly (detracted frojii fur. tliis purpose... Seeing alsovt.he. prej|ent h"iglKprice ( of gilding' Materials', 'and' ; h time; throojjh | 'lneati '6f this'cbmmittee rhonglit under riil'the it'dnces,v 'thai it ' was 'better •' to postpone! the' ertciUon.«|! tffoh f bollriingii aid -ill lieu thereof grim 1; Jo the SuperintendHnfethb !jn»re»seH' lium of .*SOO, as residential i,i§ \vjlth the recoiiirflendfttion of salary was well known to be iuadequate. Had any donbts on that subjects, they would have bees solved by

the etidenco obtained by that committee. It was clearly Mhow'u that the expenses entailed upon the superintendent by the exigencies of hi* jHwilioti, were far from being an approximation to; his salary. Though/ It ,wjw iipt,co..iiider«d desirable' to make hi* salary such as lo.oo>%»r his fs*; nin*W, yet now they.approached the other extreme; it was thereforeevident that the time had liow arrived to make somo Increase, he: should therefore move at the proper time that the superintendent's salary be hicreaied to per aunura. ..■■•. ; ; v:' ; >'V -.-.v".: :■< )-■ Air. Wjlkiw thought the Government domain was the best if not the ouly»uitabio place to erect an official residence for the superintendent, it certainly : wan a rnUtake to place the college where it is but the inis'akeciiuli be easily ;rectified, by geciiia back the laud it stood upon, giviug mune other *itu as an equivalent.- ; Mr. Cox said that a short time ago a much smaller salary than that now rnjoynii by ihe Superintendent .wantlimight Milflcieui; now, it seemed Uittt wiu nut. , lie must s.iy thut he though; ihe sum asked for w excessive. ... Mr. Ukalrv thought they could nut do butter that tak» tht salaries et-Joyed by; the superintendents of neighbouring provinces as aguMe i|>erhaps, considering.thesudden increase of prosperity in Oiago.thut would be h fair criterion, but be ( . should like, to know how those, officer* were :paid in Auckland ' and Wellington, for instance. ' The PaoVIMCUL Seurbtary could not give any information respecting Auckland, but, ifrom the evidence brought before the committee, it sseraed that this ttutu* of the ; provincial officials *ra* at a very low pur. ■, The Governor's residing there seemed to throw into the shade lesser luminaries, and it was a fact that ; on occasions of public display, Ac., their existence wa* hardly « reco.nixed.. The Buperiuten 'ent of Otogo received *800 per '■ annum, without residential; allowauce,, but some steps , were : now taking to increase it. - Hie evidence was then read, and after a few remarks from . Messrs. Fvrs and Wcuiesra, the House went into committee , •to consider, the. report. , WV-- . Clauses 1.2,43, were read and adopted. Clause 4, wornmending that (be Superintendent's salaiy be iucreased to j: i 500, being read, : Mr.. Bkswick said that he should vote against this addition he thought that if ihey raised this salary, as proi osed.they would have no protection against that class of po'itical .advtniurers, j .Of which.thete were mauy examples in other couutries where thu | electoral system prevailed. The office ofeuperi..tendent shvuld uoibeheldout to the view of unprincipled politicians\iis ft pecuniary speculation. but rather as a reward to the nmhi.ion of the patriot, who v. as i-outent to serve bis country with the highest and not the lowest motives. - ■ • Dr. ToasßtttL would support the addition ; it was only com-! mensnrats v with the: iucreased wealth aud prosperity of this province.; The Su|>eriutenden t, from the nature of he office ho : held.wa* expected to bn the initiator of all charitable schemes. : Ihe entertainmentof distinguished visitor*.devolved ujpon him,: almo~t ax a matter of coorxe; and he mniiitaiued thai, for the honor of the province,, they ought to enable him to do so in a creditable manner. . The first Superintendent, in his evidence, ; had distinctly atated that he jwa* a loser during hi* short tenure j of ofSce of at least .r1,500. Taking iuto account the many calls (which every one knew were cheerfully responded to) on ; the presept Superintendent , *~purse duriug the late seasou of idepreasiop, he (Mr. Turuhull) was afraid to give an estimate of , the loss sustained by that gentlemau, but it mn»t be something 1 gnat indeed. '.y.yy•Mr. TossWliiL felt it his duty to oppose this vote. He could . not see that the money contributed by all should -be expended ; in the nntertaiuraent of the, few.: He thought the Superintendent ; was. by no means called upon to waste his means, in doing so, J nor. could h* see;, that, thedemand* on. his charitable ...feeling* • wen so imperative. They voted annually a large sum for charitable aid. any relief beyond that was en irely graiuitons • and ongbt not to be brought forward as a reasou for increasing his salary. . Mr. Frr> said that a great deal had been aaid about the < amount disbursed by the Superintendent in charity, entertainments, Ac. He did not think it durable to enable that geutleman to boy golden opinions,at the expense of others not beue* fitted. ■ .--'i .■:>;;;■ Mr. Wiuoj said that since he. had had the honor of occupy-, ing a seat in that Council, he had never been so paiued by any subject as the present debate. He had come there wjth the intention of remaining silent, but he had heard iu the evidence - of the first Superintendent that it-cost him the »nm of for 1 house rent. He (Mr. Wilson) .wished to state that when be ' arrived in the province that gentleman occupied i cottuge for which if he paid j?4(> per aunnm, it was jfriO too much, and as : for entertainment he had not a bed to offer to a visitor. We had" recently witnessed a very great addition to the salaries of ■; various officers connected'with the General Government,'and he tbonght the i Biiperinteudeut of this proviuce should be as well pud as them. But. this was a subject which should not have been discassMl by the House »t all in this form, the proper coarse to adopt was to have set dowt) the whole amount on.the civil list, aud uot to have created the present unseemly discnssiiin. ~ Mr. Cox moved as an amendment that the sum of he substituted for *1500. A. division was called for with the, following resnlt:—Ayes, 10. Nue*, 10. And the amendment was rejected, the chairman giving hi* ( casting vote against it. ; The original clause was then.pnt; a division was called for 'with precisely the same result. .; ' Prog-ess was then reported, and the Speaker took the chair. Mr. BIKCH saw with deep regret the turn which matters had taken that evening. He thooght that when, ithe re|iort of that eveniugV proceedings went forth they would not be congratu- . iated on the manner in which this matter had been introduced and handled. Mr.. Te* flee—" The bon. member is out of order, the J matter has lieen voted on.'' ' . '. ' Mr- Bibcb—" I believe lam iu order, but if it is ruled < otherwise of coo se I must submit. j The Speakeb ruled tha f . the hon. member was in order, ( the question being yet before the house. a 1 Mr .Wiisos— •*' I line in » jM.int of order Sir, an hon. mem"ber addres«ed, or »tfecte<t to uddresx the chair while seated." . Mr. Hibcii W'-nt on to say that he thouuht that the amount ' askcl for was a great deal mora than wsts actually requiied. 1 Hitherto it had been «u]"posed that the office of snperiuteudeiit was intended as the reward which any ''gentleman with seffi ( cieut tilent mifiht Hhpire io, without under the sunpicion of Iteing lu'tuiiteil by unworthy motives impu'ed to, him. ■ If the proj ontii'n now uuder cniwideratinn was, carried out, ; be was afraid that could im! longer re said with trutii; aud { they were f uri-uHig p co r»e which would open the door lo t a class of nnpriui : .)'led adventurers, to whom at present there .wa* offered no temptation. ] Mr. BkaliEV hoped that report would go f .rtb, but before ; ] coming to the conclusion winch his lion, friend thought inevi- , table, be hoped all thinking men would bear iu mind the position .in which tliey were placed. It was true that an increase - of salary inigliitempi a certaiu.class of men, hut if the salary : ' was not sufficient to secure the official from actual and great 1 pecuniary loss,—then there were other gentlemen perhaps the < best qualified to 1111 that office, who would be totally excluded, ] to the great detriment of the country. ( The report was then adopted. On the motion of the Ptiuvixcui. Secrrtary. the message . of l>is honor the Superintendent, transmitting the particulars of ' the purchase from Mr. Lee. for railway purposes, aud the result « of the award between the Provincial Govertiui.ut and Mr. I'ea- j cock was taken into consideration. The Pbovi.nciai. Secketart said that it was not necessary ] to enlarge upon this subject; the message of the Superintendent j had narrated all the facts conuected with it, with the exception ' of meuiiouing that ihe award had not .been reported to the Qovernment within the time •pecifled iu the arbitration bond, and consequently ii might be doubted whether it .«a« not leguliy void,hut this was aquestion for the Provincial Solicitor ti) decide, ; ' Iu answer to a question by Mr. Biucx, the names of the ar- 1 bitrators were stated to be Mr . Frederick Thompson, on behalf , 1 of the Gorernmeut, and Mr. £. A. H<trgreaves on behalf of i Mr, Peacock. : < Mr. Wttson. as far as he understood the matter, could see j that there was only one of 'two course* to he pursued by the , . Governmen'; either to repudiate the award, by taking advantage of a quibble (he always made use of plaiu. words), which, ' ' to say'the least of it, would be'a ye?y. questionable proceeding, < or to pay this or 1,400, thereby making everybody ' < suffer for the strange carelessness or uenlect of those in autho . i rity,— not that he himself attached any blame to them. . ] Mr. TENPIi'B here said something in an excitcd manner, the j whole of which we could not catch, hut understood it to be an indignant defence of those in authority. Mr. Wiibox had said that h j did kot attach blame to any ' ' one. But he would not vote that this money should lie paid ; J <mi of tbe Treasury. Let Mr. Lee be paid the *950 out of the • i Treatmy, and the balance be made up by suliscriptinn, to t which he would be one amongst iO to contribute to indemnify . r Mr. Lee for any loss be might otherwise soffer. , ; , The debate was then adjourned, and the House went into Committee of Supply and voted the following snm*• , j / £ s. -d. '. Harbor Department .. .. .. 8403 0 0 • Lighthouse .. 5000 0 0 I Sargeon, Timaro .. .. ~ „ 87 10 0 [ | Christchnrch hospital .. ~ ~ 2200 0 0 Kducation y. „ .. 5725 0 0 Proposed education commission .. 1000 0 0 ' ' Commutation of tolls, Kaiapoi bridge ..175 0 0 Salary of librarian . = 15 0 0 Orphan asylum . .. .. ... .. 750 0 0 * House then adjourned till noon on Friday.

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PROVINCIAL COUNCIL., Lyttelton Times, Volume XVIII, Issue 1050, 3 December 1862

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