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"When the Presbyterian Synod resumed yesterday the question of union with the Presbyterian Church of New Zealand was again under discussion. The Rev. J. Clarke handed in the following protest:—" In niy own name, and iu the n ime of any who may agree with me, I protest against anything further beingdone to consun m .te union with the Northern Church on the basis as it now stands for the following reasons:—(l) Because the multiplicity of amendment i proposed and suggestions made and accepted and embodied in the basis necessitates fuller and more deliberate consideration. (2) Because the present basis is unfair, and to that extent ia unjust to many ministers and elders in this church. (3) Because it is both'injudicious and dangerous to the best interests of the church to press this proposal heedlessly forward in the present 'state of warm feeling and divided opinion. (4) Because the voting on the whole question calls fcr the exercise of patience and, for earnest inquiry." On the motion of the Rev. James Gibb the following were appointed a committee to answer the protest lodged against the adoption j of the basis of union, viz.:—Messrs Jolly, I Gibson Smith, Dunlop, Stobo, Cameron, Borrie, Chisholm, and Gibb; Mr Gibb convener." The Rev. A. D. Thomson gave notice of the following motion:—"That in view of the mind of the Synod being so Btrchgly- divided on the question of union with the Northern Church, the Synod in remitting the question back to the Union Committee, instructs the Committee to reconsider seriously the advisability of bringing in a clause to retain the Synod of Otago and Southland as an ecclesiastical court, and provide for the Assembly of the united church being a representative assembly, with the hope of conciliating all parties, and report to next meetine of Synod." The Rev. J. Gibson Smith moved, seconded by the Rev. Mr Gibb—"That the notica be not received." Tho Rev. R. R. M. Sutherland moved and the Rev. M "Cosh Smith ssconded an amendment—" That the notice be received." After a debate, in which considerable feeling was displayed by members on both sides, Mr Gibson Smith's motion—"That the notice of motion be not received" —was carried by a large majority, , Tho Rev. J. Gibb then moved—" That the Synod now proceed to consider the draft of the proposed Bill." The Rev. J. Gibson Smith seconded the motion. . The Rev. W. Bannerman said it was a most unusual thing to consider a Bill proposing to give effect to a union which the other side had not signified.their willingness to go into. He would accordingly move—"That the consideration of the Bill be postponed until the Synod has received an answer from the Presbyterian Church of New Zealand relative to their adoption of the basis of union as agreed to bv this Synod. ; - Mr A. C. Begg seconded the amendment. On being put to the Synod tho motion was carried by 48 votes to 32. The seriatim consideration of the clauses of the proposed Bill was then proceeded with. Clause 1, providing for the title of the Bill, was agreed to on the voices. The Rev. James Gibb moved the adoption of clause 2as follows:—" On and from tho passing of this Act the Presbyterian Church of Otago and Southland and tho Presbyterian Church of New Zealand shall be held to be united as one church, spiritually and ecclesiastically, under the name of the Presbyterian Church of New Zealand, Eubject to this Act and the terms and provisions set forth in the schedule of. this Act." The Rev. A. Cameron seconded the clause. Tho Rev. A. M. Fjnlayson suggested that the Synod's solicitor be asked to attend and explain tbo clauses and provisions of the Bill. After discussion the clause was agreed to on the voices. Clause 3 was agreed to as follows:—" In order to carry out and give effect to the various powers, trusts, and provisions' relating to the property now, or which may hereafter bo invested In, or held by or on brhalf of the Otago Presbyterian Church Board of Property or the Presbyterian Church of Otago and Southland, or exercisable under any Act or Ordinance by the said Synod of the Presbyterian Church of Otago and Southland, Buch Synod shall oontinue In existence on the same basis as now exists as regards the management or administration of such property, and shall continue to have all the powers, rights, and privileges now or hereafter possessed by or vested in such Synod under any Act, Ordinance, regulation, or otherwise, notwithstanding that after the said union the said Synod shall cease to exist for the discharge of ecclesiastical functions." Clauses 4, 5, and 6 were ac<;»pted as proposed without discussion. Clause 7 was moved by the Rev. Mr Gl&n as follows: "Nothing herein contained shall be deemed *>o limit or abridge the power or right of the General Assembly of the said united church t&altSLor modify from time to time its po'ity, doctrines, discipline, or to legislate in respect to or ecclesiastical matter." x -\ The Rev. Mr Dalrymfle seconded. The Rev. "W. Bannebman moved that the clause read as follows : —"Nothing herein contained shall bo deeme 1 to limit or abridge the power or right of the General Assembly of the said united church to legislate in respect to any spititual or ecclesiastical matter." Mr Johnston seconded the amendment. On the vote being taken, the motion was carried by a large majority. The adoption of the preamble was thf n moved by the Rev. Mr Gibb and agreed to on tho voices. The Rev. J. Gibb then moved—" That the Committee be instructed to forward the proposed Bill as amended {to the Assembly of the Northern Church in Auckland, and report to tbe meeting of Synod in March next." The Rev. W. Bannerman moved as an amendment—" That this Bill, along with the basis of union," be transmitted to presbyteries ani kirk sessions; returns to be reported to next meeting of the Synod." On being put to the vote Mr Gibb'a motion was carried almost unanimously.

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PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH UNION., Issue 10462, 4 November 1897

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PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH UNION. Issue 10462, 4 November 1897

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