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PRINCIPAL RAINY'S VISIT., Issue 7992, 22 August 1889
PRINCIPAL RAINY'S VISIT.
THE PRINCIPAL'S VIEWS ON RELIGIOUS TEACHING. Speaking at the luncheon yesterday Principal Baint said that he was delighted to see the extraordinary development of educational institutions, high and low, throughout the colonies, and had watched with interest the different views lhat were taken of the question of Bible reading; and teaching in the schools. If they would allow him, with great submission, to say it, it seemed to him that there was a certain kind of religious teaching which not only might be, but mußt be left to the churches; bit it did appear to him, on the other side, that it was perfectly consistent with what was leasonable and with what could practioab'y be done with convenience to all parties that there might be in the school", as there was in the schools in Scotland and in New South Wales, the meanß taken to secure that the children ia a county where he believed 99 per cent, of the parents were Christians should become acquainted with the Bible story and be influenced by the Bible sentiment.—(Applause.) He regarded any educational system as woefully crude where that element did not exist. Re
was disposed to take any way of it that pain: d the end to which he had referred, but he would not be satisfied to have that end secured by anything that was done outside the schools if it was not done also inside the schools.— (Applause.) He shrank from the idea of a large section of children growing up with their minds an absolute blank" upon the whole subject of God and Christ and the Bible story, and he was strongly of opinion that if they pollod the heads of the families on the question they would very soon sea that what they wanted was to brirg the Bible into the schools. He wished further to say on this subject that he deprecated theory. Here was a great practical interest in handthat of furnishing to their children those impressions about which the general community was agreed that they ought to be part and share of the general heritage of the community—and the practical question was how to tret it done. He knew there were diffi .ulties which might be solved in various wayß. In Canada they had solved the difficulty in a very peculiar way, and In New South Wales they had solved it by adopt-
iDg the system of the Irish school extracts, but in other colonies they had deferred to the differences between the churches, and had de ferred-erroneously he thought—to the Roman Catholics, because it was not the Roman Catholios' interest that Protestantism should be deprived of the instruction of its children. He had been led to speak of this because his heart was full of it. The question was one on which they must be prepared to give and take, but he should regard it as a matter of the highest importance to find some means of securing that' the mass of the children might be allowed to be put in pssession of the outline of the blessed Bible story, for the Bible taught religion through history—that the Bible story, impregnated as it was with Bible sentiment, might ba allowed to ccme into their minds (Applause.) THE SOUTH DUNEDIN PBESBYTEBIAIT OHURCH. Upon the conclusion of the luncheon at the City Hotel yesterday afternoon Principal Rainy was driven out to the site of the new Presbyterian Church at South Ducedin, and the ceremony of. laying the foundation stone proceeded with. Abaut 203 pereons assembled A large number of clergymen accompanied Principal Rainy from and among them we notiVd the Kevs. Dr Watt, W. Will, D. Tutton, W. Oampbell, W. Bonie, J. Gibb, J. Gibson-Smitb, A. Caxeron, J. Chiistie, and J; H. Mackenzie. The'moderator (Bev. D. JUutton) of the Dunedin Presbjtery conducted the oeremoay. '. he chur< hj choir having sung several
anthem?, and prayer having been offered up by the Kev. Mr Will, Mr (Jkorge UEin (senior, clerk) give an in-t*y.v-:ii:■; acconnt of the h'ntory ■>! ths Svutii t uuilit !eri;v.i Church f; •m IST7, ivhen it w;t" t>Nt,u>li-.h"d, tu Hie present time. It showo I that year by yeir the church had been extending ita"ic.flu«nce, and had been uxtremely well supported by the congregation, The Kev. W. CMMFBKLL (pastor) then presented the folio wiig adiress (neatly txecutiCi by Mr Macdoi.ald) to Principal Rainy a-nuts „ applau?e : - To thj Rev. RohM Kilr.y, D.D., Principal of the New Colli i,"-, EJiuburjjh. We the • fl'ou-h. aic-n i-ml aiemhcrs of comm-tteorr theS'.u'hDiMHiit) frei-byteri&n Church, do hereby Klve > ( .u a tn-.rty weloru-:to Dunedin, t,n>i o-.tiitrrat.u-iatc vou : n viu/anu JPc KainyV safe: . rrival anion? m. We hlao hope and pray that Mrs lUiny and yourKe.f will benefit much in every way by your long no - day tour, and thit in G xi's ttood providence you will arrive again in health and tafuty In your own n dive land-so deir to many cf us hj re-to continue your work in the hirfh paces cf the flold to which you hive been called, and in which you have Übored with S3 much honor to yourself at.d so much good to the church and c>untrv to which you belong. Wo anticipate also that your viait to New Zealand will bo productive of much good in the way ot your cli cctlng the minds of your students towards this fiit and fertile fleld, in which they may labor and reap rich harvesls to the honor and jjlory of the On at Husbandman. . We oannot conclude this addres", sir, without tendering to vou our most hoarty thinks for the treat hunor a'nd fivor you hive done us in comiug to thid lccilitv to lay the foundation stone if our now church hero in South Dunodin, and wo hope that this ev lit may off'rd you a p'casant recollection in the Home iacd in dajs l)ng after its ccctirrviice. Si-fnc-d on bMialf of the olfiC3-bearev3 and mcni-.ors cl Uniiiiniitee !>y W. Campusli,, minister; 0. Rum, Session Clerk ; J T. Ross, Sec. Building Futd. Dimcdin, Angus! ai, 1839. In piesenttng the address Mr Campbell said he hoped that Principal Kainy would remember them after his return to the Old Couutry, and would recollect with kindly remembrances the numer; us friends and well-wishers which he possessed in South Dunedin. Principal Rainy : Mr Campbell, I shall immediately have »u opportunity of addressing you and therefore shall not aiy anything just now, excepting to express the pleasure and satisfaction it gives me to bo hero upon so interesting -md important occasion. Mr J. T. Ross said that the duty which had fallen to his lot was one which could not be otherwise than pleasant. He then, on behalf of the congregation, presented Principal P.ainy with a handsomely filagreed silver trowel with pearl handle, a>id upon which was inscribed "Presented tJ Principal Kainy, D.D., on the occasion of hij laying the foundation atone of the South Dunedin Presbyterian Church, Otago, New Zealand. August 21, 1859." He also presented Principal Bainy with a malle*, upon which a miniature so.oil bore the following inscription :—'' A memento of church extension, South Dunedin, Utago, New Zealand. August 21, 1359." Mr Ross, continuing, saiJ that the mallet was manufactured from a native wood—red pine or rimu—and hesincerely hoped that the two articles would be plea-ing reminiscences of tie short time he (Principal Rainy) liad. aoent in New Zaalaud. Mr Koas then took a bottle containing a copy of each of the daily papers, f ever.il church magazine?, a copy of the adlreas presented to Principal Rainy, a copy of the sketch given by Mr Reid reapectinpr the history of the church, and several other papers, together with the coins of the realm, and placed it in the cavity of the atone, which was then lowered, afterwards inspected, and Anally pronounced to be well and truly laid. Principal Baisy that looking back the congregation viewed an honorable past in their hiitory. and in lookiug forward he hoped they would have trust in the future. He thanked Mr Campbell for presenting him with the memorials of tho work. He never hid a mailet before, and wa3 on tlut account all the better pleased. Ho was glad to learn that the position of the congregat'on was of a particularly satisfactory kind. They hid cleared off their former buildings of debt, and had th*n app ied themselvej to raising monev to warrant tbtm in going about this new building without running any darger of being embarra sed and hampered by a load of debt. They hal received, he supposed, tho kind help and co operation of Christian friends outBide tbeir own congregation. (Rev. Mr Campbkll: Ye.».) And nt the same time he had been told by thofe who knew something about it the congregation had put their hands frequently into their own pockoti,and haddore their best to put theniielves in tho position in which they now stood. He was glad to hear tuia, and lojked on it as an augur for good for the congregation. When a building wai being erected the scaff jlding was first built to get it up. It was a scaffolding which did not permanently lemain, but was useful whon the wo- k was going on. Ho was of opinion that this church would be an extremely good buildlug, pleasing to the eye and comfortable to occupy. It was worth while for tliem to remember that, after all, their church, substantial as it might be. wa? only a piece of scaffolding, and tho building that they and Mr Campbell were trying to raise up was more gloriously and more permanently built The gieatmission of this build'.ng was that it might be of eoivice towards the enetion if th<»t one and of it the foundation stone was not to lay, the one foundation stone was laid, which was Jesus Christ. They should press on with the great work of rearing up that spiritual templp, which was composed of living souls of men and women renewed and sanctified and eaved in Jesus Christ. Let u<t think strongly of that great temple, let us desire that it might be "exoecdicg magnifical," as it was said in Chronic'es, of glory throughout all countries. While we Bought to raise a reasonably beautiful structuro for the outside service of God'* house our detire should be that that temple which was composed of ourse'veß, of our own liveß and oharaetors renewed and sanctified in Chrit, might be much more glorious and much more worthy of its great foundation than as yet it had attained tj be. It was not desirable or necessary f r him to speak long. He congratulated Mr Campbell and his friendß on having got so far, and ha hop?d the building would be raised without accident to those employed at it, and without any drawback of any other kind. He tiusted that through many happy and profitable _years tho minhtty of their pastor might go on in tho church, and that they wou'd more and more lnve reason to &9Booia'e with it happy memories and happy hopes. He also trusted that when heretrned to the other side cf the world he would by-and-bye receive a letter from the pastor letting him know that the chu'eh was prosperously opened, and that the debt bad been swept away.—(Applause.) The Rev. J. Gibb remarked that lately a great deal had been said about Home mist-ion work, and he hoped that when they had their new house built they would not overlook tint there was a responsibility lying on them individually to secure those who were not at present in communion with the Christian Church.
Dr Watt pronounce! the benediction, and the proceeding then terminated.
LECTURE IN KNOX CHURCH. Yesterday evening Principal Rainy addressed a large congregation in Knox Church on * Some phases of church life in fcotland.' He hoped that tb/'se present would not take it that as a Presbyterian aildresß'ng Presbyterians ho assumed that Pieebvterianism was peculiarly Scottish. Scotland was PresbyteriaD. but Presbyteriaiiism was not Scottish—it had a more cosmopolitan origin than that. But in Scottish history that system had been specially put upon its trial as it were in a variety of ways, and he thought it therefore not unsuitable that he should offer for consideration that evening a few matters in connection with that subject. As they went along the stepping stones of the church'B history they might single cut certain phases which distinguished t'nemselve3 at successive periods. There were four or five of these sneerssiye stages in which it was worth while to notice what color church life assumed, atd what weretheleadingclmacteristicsinwhich the energy of our Scottish life applied itself to the circumstances in which it was placed. In the first place, he would speak of the pluses that associated themselves especially with the period of the Reformation—the peiiod in which rose before us the rugged and strong form of John Knox and his coadjutors and successors. In this peiiod we particularly notice the attitude the Church took towards tho nation and tho Stale. There was a veiy importaut sense in which the Reformers may be said to have made the Scottish nation. Carlyle it was who said, in effect, that th-s was so. In Scottish history he found only one epoch, and that was the Reformation. He had said that tho influence of Knox upon the nation was to bring Hfj from the dead, and he found the heart of Knox in everything that has been noble i-ince. If that wore true, it was eminently so in reference to the Pcottish common mjn—the peasant It was when the ohurch came into life that the common people were, as it were, lifted abovethemf elves. Three hundredand thirty years the Scottish peasant was perhaps the poorest and wotst-off man in all Europe. He cultivated a barren soil under an uncongenial sky; he had little knowledge and little religion. Knox and his successors in'pired him with a consciousness of his interest in a cause which ha felt he had a right to think wis his cause, and in which ha felt himself called on to contend for great ends—the cause of God and Christ the King—and his enthusiasm in that cause strengthened his life. After that the conditions of peasant life were hard. It was a great thing if he could win from the soil enough to keep himself and his family. The laws continued to be much against him; the rights of his superiors were much against him; and in every way he hvl a hard bittle. But he had received an impulse whioh made him ten times the man he bad been, and he went to the battle with bettor heart because he fejt himself jroing forth to vidory. He was comclous of having a right
in this world and a light in the kingdom of God. There wuh to be found in this peasant much that we could smile at. He whs sometimes pedantic, occasionally iccliued to be disputatious, rtrrl had other p 'caliaiities : but we must not lose sight of thi*, that with all hm ] peculiarities he was always a, better timn. As to the attitude of the church towards the State, it was an attitude of very courageous assertion and independence. For seven or eight year* the church continue:! to exist without State piovision and without much Stato sanction, administering its own affairs with the frankest resolution, ltconfrontedthe Statewithoutrr.uchconsideration of the consequence that might ensue. But, on the other hand, it showed itself ready to stand aide by aide with the State in all matters that belonged to the weal of the nation, and was reaiy to adjust details whenever principles were not infringed. We had leasons still to learn from that period. There might be differences of opinion as to some cf the things that happened in that period, but all would agree in recognising that it became those who stood in the line of the Scottish reformers to feel that it was not theirs to cherinh a narrow and selfish Christianity, that looked simply to its own comfort or to the comfort or prosperity of a single congregation or a series of congregations, but that outs should be the more expansive Christianity of the heart that beats for the whole community in which we live—the Christianity that does not shrink from responsibilities, and does not hesitate to confront statesmen with what the truth of God requirtß. The second period was tbat which ran down from nearly the ond of the tixteenth to the erd of the seventeenth century— ft long and picturesque period, and one of the most to iching periods of church history. It was a period cf struggle and conflict and pe>sedition—a period that saw the banishment of miny of our bebt men. In this pc-riod the one great matter was the question of the independence of the church. He would only touch on one branch of that portion of his subject, and that was the question as to wb.etb.or the Cburch of Christ in ScotlaLd was to bo Episcopalian or continue to be .Presbyterian. It had been Presbyterian, and the outcome of the conflict was that it continued to be to. Their Episcopalian friends made them so, because they said that the Scottish people should becotno Episcopalian*, arid tbat made them Presbyterians with a will—(Laughter.) He had no desire to question the efficiency of the system adopted to force Ifpiscopalianium on the .Scottish people.—(Laughter.) But it might be asked, after all, what was the use of ail the distuibacco and worry? Kupptßing the Scotch had given in and become Episcopalian?, where would the great harm have been? Were there not other questions of more importance than one of church government? That was so. The:e was some force in these questions; but the main consideration was who were responsible for I mak'ngall the trouble? What did this question of Kpiscopahanitm or Freabyterianism involve? In Scotland it really involved this: the right of the church to apply its own mind and heart to its own affairs according to its own conrcionco and its understanding of God's word. This issue might not have been involved in England, but it was in Scotland, and there could hardly have been a greater question than that. It was not a simple thicg to be csllod upon to give up conscientious conviction for the sake of pleasing those •who had neither the gift f> r governing the churcn nor the grace to execute it. Turning from what might be looked on as a matter of externals—though it came very nearly touching the vitaU of religion—to what might bo regarded a? more internal matter?, he would say that in this period we recognise the development and unfolding of the peculiar and characteristic features of what might bo called their Scottnh piety. In thU troubled end disputatious period we found a deal <if wealth in this department. No names were dearer to the Scottish heart thin tho f e of Buthetford and I'ickson, and others whose very nam°s conveyed the idea of the power of tb.9 r- Pgioiu life that pervaded the Scottish community. We take it tbat there w=s plenty of what wai g'oas and harsh, but thore was a'so. in a remaikabie degree, the mauifestati n of the simple piety to which he had referred. It was a piety of g, reformed type, and therefore mingled with a good deal of legalism, and sometimes Pharisaism; but it was a mistake to say that those were its obitf chjr.'cteilbtics. There would always be some in whom these tilings would manifest thetnsel'ts; but, speaking generally, the religion of which he *aa speaking took its on'gut in deeper leveb than legalism or Pharisaism. Two great phases wero prominent in this piety. The first wai the great thought of grace; the thought of the solemn anil awfnl nature of guilt, and of the most wonderful pathos and power of the provision made for man. Th e other thought, to name it in one ward, was Christ—the personal self sacrifice of Cliriat, and of the wondesful anil enduring rotations which maintain between Him ar.d those who flee to Him. In regard to this, howovcr, there waH by no means that easy confidence as to the possession of thoso ble sings tbat proceed from faith in Christ, The men and women had a strong disposition to su?p r ct themselves, ar.d it was only by a process of discipline that they j were led into peace by believing. It might bo that those of the ptesent generation might take a lesion from this self-suspecting piety. The next period referred to wai substantially that of the eighteenth century, in which the remains and rcmin'scences of the teventeenth century were brought into relatfon and conflict with the new i'jfluenoes of cultivation. A eoit of superiority arose which ansimed to itself to supersede and despise the older faith. And in this period came into prominence the Scottish Moderatism, the orthodox form of which was within an ace cf killing LuthoranUm altogether. It was also the period of the secession, when the Erskines were s«bjected to the greater excommunication by thoso who had not long before gone out themselves. The speaker enlarged on this part cf his subject, and went on to say that though at ITorr.o there were still many obstacles to a reunion of the bodies tbat had been driren leading men of the different churohe3 were looking forward to a union gome day. We in the?e colonies had carried that hope on to completion, Aa to the present period, it was one in which the old ideas presented themse'ws to men's minds in a new light. There was a tendency to raise questions in new wavs and to take a new inspect of causes of belief and action. There was no need to view this with alarm, nor to look apprehensively at those who asked, for it was sometimes the miwt conservative mind that suggested inquiry. On the motion of Mr E. B. Cabgill a hearty vote of thanks was accorded to Principal Eainy.
PRINCIPAL RAINY'S VISIT., Issue 7992, 22 August 1889
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