AUCKLAND PROVINCIAL COUNCIL.
Tuesday, 25th October. Present all the Members, with the exception of Mr. Macky. The Speaker took the chair at 3 o'clock. The minutes of the last meeting having been read and confirmed, ieiteis were read, the first from his Honour the Superintendent, acknowleding the reply to his opening address. And the other from the same officer rliinating that his Excellency the Governor had assented to the duties of Clerk of the Council being tempoiaiily fulilled by Mr. Coates. The Slaughter House at Newmarket. Mr. James O'Neill presented a petition from certain inhabitants of Newmarket, complaining of the disgraceful condition of the Slaughter House, and praying that it might be removed to some other less public locality. Petition received and read. To the Honourable the Membeis of the Provincial Council of the Pro\ince of Auckland. Gentlemen, — "We, the residents of the neighbourhood of Newmarket and Kemuera, adjacent to the Slaughter House, beg respectfully to call the attention of yoiir honoui able House to the great nuisance occaSicnecl to the neighbourhood by the malaria arising tlidc-nciii, which is seriously injurious to the health of the inhabitants ; and we t\ oulcl humbly suggest the propriety of its removal to some locality under tidal influence. TVc have the honour to lcmain, Gentlemen, Yotir obedient servants, JoSEiH OSBORNE, Joseph Crispe, "William Parker, Feed. Btjiichell. Notices or Motion. Various noticed of motion were then handed to the Spccker : — Mr Gilfillan. —To mo- c on Tuesday next, for leave to bnn<r m a Bill loi rbatmar the naisance caused b\ oog> m tlic sheets of ceitaiii tow lib and lnghw .'-\ b ' n the Pi ovmce cf Auckland. Mi\ Gi'fillan.— 'Jomo-\c on Thin c t'-v\ ne> t, t'\it £>n Addicssbe pics.ntcil to His lionoai the feupennte'idcnt, lespectfully suggestirt; Mi.it he v .11 bung iiiidei the notice of his IXceNenev the &o\o!noi, the recent detention at New Ph mouth of the Auckland }fr.ilb^ the 'los('i,h rietchei' fioni London; m the hope that his Lxcel'enc} ■vvill cbicct an inq'my to be instituted into the leason theicof, and, i> it iXculd appeal nccdiul, issue such mt,ti -actions as shall pi e\ unl t>is icetiiiencc of the incon-. cnience to vhicn the community oi ihib P*OMnce \\eie subjected by tke delaj in the icceipt of the ui.ul lcfein d to. Mr. Williamson. — To move on Tuesday next, tint "witli a view to the amendment of so much of the New Zealand Constitution Act, ljth .'lid 16th Yictona, as lelatcs to the poueis of the Geneial Assembly Vblncli aifect tlicjiuisdictionoft])cri.o^iiiCialCouncu&, and to the New Zealand Compam S debt, this Council do piepaie .m Addieis to the Governor and the Geneial Assembly of Kew Zealand, lequesting his L\ccllene^ and the llonouiable Hoiis>cs of Ecpi csentatives and Legislati\e Council, to Petition llci Majesty and tha Impel ml Parliament to amend the Constitution Act so far as it lespects those mattcis. And that a cop\ of t,uch Addict be foiivaided bv tins Council thioug;h tJie (jo\einoi to Ilei Majesty's Pnncipal Secietaiy of State for the Colonies. Mr. J. O'Neill. — To mo% c at the re\t meeting of Council, that the committee appointed to inquiie into the subject of Drainage, be also empow eied to lepoit on the state of the Stieetsand Thoioughiaies oi the City. Mi. Dilworth. — To mo\c on Thuiiday nevt for a Committee to inquire into and lepoit to thn lloii'-c the Le^t means to pre\ent the impoitation of disca&ed sheep, and the spiead of custing disease amongst sheep. Mi". Connell. — To move at the next meeting of Council, that a Select Committee be appointed to inquiie andieport to the Council, 1. What Offlceib are rcquued for carrjmg on the Provincial Go% erument. 2. ILrunfj regaid to Hie extent and natui e of tlie duties, — what a^ ould i?e r.ppropriate salaries to attach to tlie reapective offices lcqmrcd 2 3. "VMiataie the duties at present pci formed by the officers -whose salaneshase hitherto been paid by the Geneial Government, but arc in future to be chargeable to the Provnicial Government, 4. What amount of salaries have been hitherto paid to these offlccis. 5. whelhci any alteration in respect of any such office as to duty, salary, oi othei-nise, is advisable. The Committee to -eport any facts and opinions relating to the piesent faubjet they may deem advisable, though not called for b) tlie foregoing lnquiiic". That the Committee consist of— Messis. CiailvC, Gilfillan, Newman, Bojlan, Dilwoith, Mitchell, and the Mo% or. Mr. Pov ditch.— To move, at next meeting, that the Council considei tlut portion of his Ilonoui's addiess lelative to the recommention of most vi gently to be commenced.
Separation or the Provinces. Mr. Busby brought up the report of a Committee appointed to prepare a petition to her Majesty the Queen and both Houses of Parliament praying for Provincial Separation, and the erection of the Northern Province of Auckland into a distinct and independent Colony. On a motion made and seconded that the Petition be icad, Mr. Poiter rose to move an amendment ; not because he dissented from the prayer of the Petition, but because he considered its intioduction prcmatuie. A good deal of dibcussion, — in which Messrs. Council, Williamson, Boylan, Dignan and Powditch took pait, — ensued ; and Mr. Porter continued to addiess the House on Mr. Uusby's motion, and in explanation of his own amendment which was "that the consideration of the Petition be defeircd until after the iiiht meeting of the Gcneial Assembly," until the Speaker, having lulcd that the member for the Suburbs was not in oider in speaking to a motion, the Petition was then lead and having been oidercdtobe printed was left for further consideration \uitil Tuesday next.
Accommodation tor Shipping. On the motion of Mr. Porter, a committee consist^ of Messrs. Boylan, Connell, Matky, Derrom, Mitchelf and the mover, was appointed to inquire into, and report upon the means of procuring better accomm o . dation for the discharging of vessels, and of giving p ro ] tection to the small craft of the port of Auckland. 'Jhe hon. member observed, that he would not occupy th e time of the Council in ad\ocacy of a measuie of such self- evident necessity. It was notorious, that for -want of haibour protection, numbers of small craft -\\ ere annually driven on shore and beaten to pieces, dm^ the prevalence of North Easterly gales. In fact the city itself suffered ; for raanypaitsof Fort-stieet Te undermined and destroyed. Mr. J. O'Neill, on lising to second the motion observed, — There is little doubt that the motion noiv before the council will be well recened; it is O f the first importance that immediate attention be p a j^ to the subject. It would be a difficult matter to calcu. late the loss sustained by the merchants^ and traders in consequence of the inconvenience experienced in ship, ping or landing goods. The want of a wharf is uni\er. sally felt, paiticularly on the arrival of a ship from England. I hope the committee about to be appointed will leport fully on the new wharf, its present state, and if it be possible to repair it. The plan of that wharf is so much at variance with established rules; that the council will, I presume, pause before directing anything to be done to it, lest it would be a total -waste of money.
The Commencing Proceedings -with Prayer. Mr. Claxke said, that in bringing forward the motion ■which stood in his name, he was environed by difficulties. I believe, — said the hon. member, — that e-vcry member of this house recognizes the oierruling proviolence of a Divine Being. As there are members of various religious denominations amongst us, there maybe some little consideration necessary in constructing a form of prayer that will meet with geneial concurrence, still I do not look upon the difficulty as an unsurmountable one ; and as it is the practice in the Councils of our father-land to acknowledge the Divine source of all good, by imploiing his aid to direct and guide their deliberations. I earnestly trust that a like couise may be adopted here. Mr. Williamson said, I feel called upon to second this motion ; for if we desire to benefit the country -\ve have been elected to represent, we should commence our proceedings by invoking the Divine blessing and piotection. I trust there will be no jarring opinions amongst us. In leference to the allusion that has been made to the House of Commons, Gieatßiitain although a poweiful nation, recognizes a power supeiior to her own ; and although the manner m which prayer was conducted, might be open to a sneer, still the opening of her Councils with religious observance, was the act of a great and religious people. We can not do better, in my humble opinion, than follow such an example. On the Continent, the great Catholic nations alwajs commence their proceedings with prayer. The natives of tins land, with whom y.e have come to reside, are not ashamed to seek the aid of the Divine Being in the settlement of their affairs. In America the Speaker invites the Ministers of various denominations to act for him. And I could have no objection to sec the Minister of any religious denomination occupying a similar position in this Council. Mr Porter rose to move an amendment to the following effect — " That while this Council fully recognises the Divine Superintendence in all human affairs, and the duty of asking God's blessing on its deliberations, believes that the interests of Religion are best served by the Council abstaining from any course which might appear to coerce the religious feelings of any of its Members, that the motion of Mr. Clarke be taken into consideration this c T ay six months." Seconded by Mr. Derrom. Mr. Boylan, in rising to oppose this motion, said, Itrust the members of this hon. house will at once acquit me of doing so on sectarian grounds. I can assure the hon. mover of the notice, that had he proposed that prayei3 should be read by 0 clergyman of my own persuasion, I should have opposed it just as earnestly. I quite conc'ir m the hon. mover's suggestion, that a foim of pi aver might be adopted, which would meet the views of all Christians ; but if we published a form of prayer, in which the name of our Redeemer wo§ omitted, we might be justly accused of latitudniarian-"*sj ism ; and I would beg to remind the honorable mover, that there is a body in Auckland, second to none in intelligence and the other qualifications of good citizens, and if they have not a membei of their own persuasion in Council, it is their own fault, not the fault of the colonists. I allude to the Jows : and should they come j to have membeis of their own lekgioA in Council, it would be as unjust for us to compel them to listen to a pi ayer in which they could have no fpith, as it would be for them if they weic in the majority, to propose a form of prayer in -which the Godhead of our Saviour would be denied. But my chief reason for opposing it, is, that so far from fuitheiing, in my own opinion, it retards the cause of religion. If we commence our business with prayeis, in a short time these prayers become just pait and parcel of our busmess ; and I think, habituating ourselves to address our Maker in that cold business-like style ha which we would address ourselve3 to any other business of the House, strikes at the root of all religion. The hon. member from the Bay will agiee with me, that no matter how beautiful or appropriate the language of a prayer may be, it can be of little avail, except tne heart of the Council beats in unison with its aspirations. Prom all I have heaid, this desirable result has not been obtained elsewhere ; and we must not lay the flattering unction to our souls, that we will lise superior to all other Legislative bodies, Do not think from this, Mr. Speaker, that I am averse to prayer. Reflecting on the responsibility of this Council — a responsibility that will not terminate with this life— lie would be a bold and haidy man, who could hope to steer safely through, without in\ oking Divine assistance; but I maintain, a public Council Chamber is not the place to invoke it. 1 think we should follow the exhortation of Him. who spoke as man never yet spake :—": — " But thou, when thou &halt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut the door, pray to thy Father hi secret, and thy Father •« ho seeth. in secret, will reward thce." Mr. J. O'Neill— l altogether agree withniy niend -who has just sat down, tbat horonrable members should enter into their closet and pi ay to the Father who seeth in secret. The question now before the council is one winch I had hoped iict er v> ould have been introduced into this place. The subject is one en which I feel the greatest possible reluctance to speak ; it ought not to be brought forwaid at all. lam A^armly attached to one chamber of the Church of Christ, but I indeed greatly respect the opinions of my fellow-christians. I could not consistently clesiie one of their clergymen to officiate in this council ; and ceitainly Ido not wish one of my own communion in any way to be thrust on them. The subject is, I think, a most unhappy one just noAV, and I wo\ild lespectfully suggest to the honourable member for the north the piopriety of withdrawing his motion. Mr. Busby was of opinion that it had been erroneously assumed that the motion involved anything like coercion. He did hope and trust that prayer could and would be offered up not in a cold and indifferent bvt in an humble, sincere, and fervent spirit. And honourable membcis who dissented from the propriety of such religious service could easily refrain from entering the Council Chamber until prayer had been said. Mr. Qilfillan could not consent to give a silent vote on such an occasion. He was one who was anxious to have had the Council opened on the very first day with prayer ; but his own private sentiments had gi\ en way to the difficulties with which the question was environed. If those difficulties were great the first day, they were surely hopeless now. The Hon. Member for the Bay had said the measure would occasion no coercion. But what he (Mr. GUfillan) would ask was the suggestion that opposing members should not enter that house until piaycr had been offeied up but distinct coercion ? Mi. Claike icplied, andivitMiewhis motion. The amendment was then put and carried.
Slaugiiter House. A committee, consisting of Mr. Porter, the mover, and Messis. Connell, Bain, Newman and Gilfillan, was appointed to inquire into and report upon the state of the Slaughter House at Newrnaiket. Mr. J. O'Neill seconded the motion, and said — I had the honour of presenting to tins council a petition, from residents at Newniaiket, on this subject. The Slaughter House, Pound, and Market form, I believe, one establishment, having, to all appearance, a veryactive manager ; the income, I believe, is considerable — about £236 per annum, and the expenditure about £160, — thus leaving a very handsome surplus. I cannot understand why an establishment "n liich draws so much money from the public, is not kept as it ought to be, — clean and in good lcpair. The existence of so much animal matter, lying in a state of decomposition, miist be exceedingly offensive to the people in the neighbourhood, and even to persons -walking along the Epsom Road. There must be gross neglect somewhere, — neglect which is not veiy cj editable to the parties concerned. The selection made for a slaughter house, in the first instance, was very bad ; it ought to have been built in the vicinity of the town, immediately over i the tideway. There might, I think, be two such places,
* Mechanics' Bay, the other at Freeman s Bay ; in rr 0 f these places there ore spots well adapted for * mirpose ; at all events, there ought to be some place lp S to vn for slaughtering the smaller annuals. CUv to this comcil, I have seen pigs winch \ ien Jlaughteied at Newmarket and so crushed ftaSed were they, that the sight vas perfectly S£ I hope the council will sec the necessity tJnoMn- the establishment from a place where it 'Scr been satisfactoiily conducted, and placing it Ji the town, where the public eye will be on it. Protection to Foueign Snirrrxo. Mr Bain obtained leave to bring in a Bill for the prorioii of Foicign Sliipping and the punishment of %a Seamen for desertion and other misconduct. 'jIOADS TO K&PAUA ASD THE B.VY Or TbLANDS. On the motion of Mr. A. O'Neil, a Committee conrlof Messrs. Busby, Claike, Dxgnan, Donovan, Stch, Hill, and the Mover, was appointed to cont the best means of opening up the Aorthern Disfrtby two roads, one leading to Kiapara, the other to jg Bay of Islands.
OSFJIUXGA ItoAD. nuned and Mr. Connell seconded, a view to completing a road between Auck.dand the Beach at Onohunga, a Committee be apto inquire and repoit to tliis Council on the Sc of the road so fai as it has been Wed; on the It suitable line to be constructed in continuation L Epsom to the Onehunga terminus and on the pro.We expense of the woik. Committee—Messrs. laylor, iorth, Boylan, A. O'NeiU, Bain, and the Mover. Mr Powditch begged to move that the committee rtht be a standing committee to inqune into and Sort, not upon the Onehunga road only, but upon u,arious roads and public woiks. It as impossible .many committees could be at weak all at once. We * Md Mr. Powditch) the lepicscnUthes, not ot one Uioner Ullage, but of all the pensioner Milages; and Fa four roads of all of them lequiie to be i sported on. t the committee that had been pi piously proposed, Le were two membcis ot the Southern, and two ot i. Northern, Divisions; and now the honourable Lnber— I cannot say for Onehunga, although he has identified himself with Onehunga—but for L pensioner settlements,-proposes a special committee ,r a special road. When one of the members ioi the V moved for a committee to inquire into the state oi to streets and thoioughfarcs, he did not move ior a limittee foi his own sticet, but for the -nhole town. The amendment was seconded by Mr. Brennan._ Mr Williamson said—l stated, at the last meeting ot Munefl my reasons for moAffigfor the present comottee —and these were, that the duties of the coninntpioposcdby Mr. Biennan v.eie too heavy, it is possible that a report could be biovglit up ior a long ™le- I think, therefore, that for the Onehunga road Z re should be a special committee. I should be glad to v>'Mr Newman and Mr. Powditch on that committee. Ishouid be liappy to withdraw from it as I am not •cqtiainted with roads. . , , ((1 ™ ■ Mr Porter moved, and Lewis seconded, lhat the consideration of a road committee be postponed for ViinUan doubted whether the honourable member was in older in making the amendment, but he (Mr. Gilfillan) was quite certahi he would be out ot order if he spoke again. The second amendment was then put and lost, and the fast amendment—that the committee be a standing was earned.
sue, Material tor. Eoad "Making. On the motion of Mr. Connell, a Committee consisting of Messrs. Gilfillan, Bain.Dignan, Porter, and the Men er, wf>s appointed to inquire— . " suitable material for road making is to oe found in the vicinity oi Auckland in a state lit for unncdiate use, and if so, to suggest means of rendering the same a% ailable."
IXTEBTEETATION BlLi,. On the motion of Mr. Gilffllrm, seconded by Mr. Connell, this Bill was read a second time. Mr Gilfillan then moved that the Speaker do leave the chair, and that the Council do go into Committee on the Bill, Mr. Council to take the chair. Mr. J. O'Neill objected to this course, and after some focussion it was agiecd that the Speaker do letain his tfcat. " On ihe motion for reading and con&ideiing the first clause, Mr. Gilfillan said that the fact of the Speaker remaining in the chaii lendered the proceedings megular, and would materially interfere -with the discussion of the clauses in detail. After some time spent in very desultory ronversation, on the motion of Mr. Gilfillan, the Council adjourned until Wednesday at three o'clock.
"Wednesday, 26th Ocr. Present all the members except Messrs. Maeky, Derrom, and Donovan. The minutes having been read and confirmed, a letter from Mr. Schultz was read, tendering the Odd Felloe s Hall for the use of the council. Ordered that the letter be read.
To the Hon. the Speaker of the Provincial Council, Auckland. But —I have the honor, at the request of a full Meeting of the members of the P.F.L.1.0.0.F.M.TL, to tender to your honorable Council, as a Council Chamber, that large and commodious brick building situated in Queen - stieet, and known as the Odd Fellow's Hall, together with such furniture and accommodation, and for such period and terms as may hereafter be agreed. I have the honor to be, on behalf of the members of the Order, Your honor's most obedient humble servant, It. Schultz. Referred to the committee on standing ordera.
Notice of Motiox. The following notices of motion wero then given.: — Mr. Busby.—To move on the next meeting of Council, that an address be presented to his hon. the Superintendent, praying that there be laid upon the table of this House — 1 A return of tie number of letters posted at, and directed to, the Post Offices of Kussell, Hokianga, and Monganui, during the twehe months ending on the 30th September ftst. Also —A return of the number of letieis posted at Auckland and conveyed by the Southern Mail, and of the letters received at AucVhnd V the Southern Mail, during the same period. .-,,>. 2 1 return of the value of all goods which ha^e paid duty at Auckland, and been comejed to Wangarei, the Bay of Islands, Wangaroa, Mongonm, Hokiancra, and other settlements to the noith of Auckland, and ot the amount of duty collected thereon. 3. A return of all proceedings commenced before tlie Juuge oi the Supreme Comt of the Northern rnnince under the authority of the Crown Titles (Kew Ulster) Ordinance, passed the 25th day of August 1819, In, oi on behalf of any native claimant to'land included vathm an\ giant made by the Crown, together with the decision of the Judge on such proceedings, and the issue thereof. 4 Copies of all correspondence between the Officers from time to time commanding Her Majesty's forces in this colony, and the Local Government thereof, relative to the location of a detachment of troops at the Bay of Islands. Also, of all correspondence beta een the local go\ ernment and proprietors of land at the Bay of Islands relating to the acquirement of a suitable position for the said detachment. Mr. Gilfillan.—To move, that this Council go into Committee on Thursday, of the whole Council on the Interpretation Bill. Mr. Powditch.—l beg to give notice of motion (next sitting) to consider that portion of his honor's address relative to appointment of Clerk of Works; and to consider the same in relation to that appointment being independent of, or subordinate to che controul of a board of Public Works. Mr. Boylan.—To move on the next meetmg of Council, that a deputation be appointed to wait upon his honor the Superintendent, to lcquest him that he would have a Bill prepared, and laid before the Council for the better regulation of the City, and for the improvement of its sanitory state. The deputation to consist of—Mr. OBrien, Mr. Porter, Mr. Connell, Mr. O'Neill, and the mover. Mr. Powditch.—l beg to give notice of motion, to take into consideration next sitting, that poition of his honor's address relative to the opinion on the question of a general central authority paragraph; and that paragraph mentioning the sum of £14,000 or £15,000 available for Eoads and Public Works. Mr. Williamson. —To move, on Thursday, that Mr. Newman's name be added to the Onehunga Eoad Committee. Mr. A. O'Neill.—To move, on Thursday, for a Committee of the whole House, to take into consideiation the necessity of appointing a competent poison as Messenger for the Provincial Council. Mr. Connell.—To move, next sitting, that an address be presented to his hon. the Superintendent, lequesting that he will apply to the Government for the following Books for use:—Four copies of the Ordinances of New Zealand, one copy of the Government Gazette from the commencement of the Colony.
Sthkkts and TiionouoiirAEES. Mr. Jas. O'Neill said, the motion -which I rise to propose will, I feel sure, meet with no objection from the council. Every one is so well acquainttd with the state of the streets of the town, that it would be idle in
me to occupy the time of the House upon the subject. I have only, therefore, to move— "That the Committee appointed to inquhe into the subject of DrJnage, bcXeweieatorcpoxt on the stiuo ofthe blicols and ThoroughiUies ot the City.
OmcEits roa run Pkovinci^l Uoveunmeist. Mr Connell lose and moved — "Tint ,i Select Committee be appointed to inquire and report to the Council— . 1 What Office" mo requued for carrying on the PioMncial cimnme.it, but aie m future to be changeable to the 4. MS «£££ l^SSS'Lo been hitherto pa«l to these 5. Whether'any iteration in respect of any sucli office as to Mr&S 1 NorJL^A°SKI Mitchell, .«ul the The desiiablcncss of knowing what th e councd w il require to do, * ill be a sufficient ; plea fortlns motion. I wish to ascertain the opinions of otheis, "Jg I may form my oxm, as to the number and descnption of offi-ccis, as well as the amount of salary to be paid S oX to the efficient conduct of the Provincial GoAcmment. I lune had several discussions upon this suS and the opinions of diffore.it mdmduals are notSy apartW each, other, but extremely conflicting.
The motion t\ as seconded by Mr. Boj lan, and caiiied. Ho YDS AND PIIiLIC WORKS. Mr. Powditch then proceeded to move— "Tint the Council con-idcr th.it poition of his Honours addrcs-s rcl Air to the lecomnicndation of vorLs most urgently to he commenced." The honourable member entered at considerable length into the question of at once making good and metalling portions of the Onclnuiga, Otahuliu, Panmure, and Ilowiek roads; stating that, if immediate advantage were not taken of the season of the year, and the comparative absence of pressure in agricultural affiuis, the exigencies of the approaching harvest and the cxoibitant late of labour would bung them round to another winter with, roads even moic impassable than they now are He was anxious to ascertain -nhcthei the Ui ernment hadietaincd quairy reserves for the pnrposeoi metalling the loads. Scoiia lands had been told at £2 an acre, and man} of those lands had been enclosed with stone walls ; consequently, in the absence of any nccessaiy lcsozvcs, the councU might find themselves compelled to pay foi the metal, which, at 6d. a cart loadf would amount to some £6 or £7 an acre for the land And that pi ice they might have to pay for land sold at 40s. an acic, of which the New Zealand Company's contingency would be 103., and the council s but Ss. an acre. . . Mr. Porter objected to the motion of the hon. member because he was of opinion that some of the roads might be mateiially shortened and improved by the construction of new and more direct lines. Mr Powditch in explanation said that whether there were new lines of road or not the old ones would require to be metalled. , Mr. J". O'Neill considered the discussion to be uncalled for and as a committee had been appointed to report upon roads he would move, _ "That the farther consideiation of this subject be postponed until the repoits of the various Committees on Koads be brought up." Mr Lewis in seconding the amendment said that the hon. member (Mr. Powditch) must have been misinformed -with lespect to the Ilowick load. Hi* pioposition would bo useless lo the Ilowick settlers. No cart could tra^ cl that road, lhe punt on the Tamaki, at Pamnuie, had been laid up for live and twenty days and the only mode of crossing the river was by swrmmm? the tiavellcr's hoisc. Mr. Busby thought it was extremely inconvenient beginning works at the wiong end. Gentlemen who proposed Avorks should furnish some idea of their piobablc expense. Such matters were the especial duty of the executh cto biing befoie the Council. He had himself called for a variety of documents respecting the Bay of Islands and other Northern settlements, which weie fairly entitled to some share of the public expenditure He believed that for an outlay of about .1300 a road fit for cattle to tra-scl could be made between Auckland and the Bay of Islands. Mi-. Williamson made a lengthened leference to the address of the Supeiintendent to show that *hat officer had lcquested the opinions aiuliepoits of the council on such subjects as that winch then occupied thenattention. Mr Newman was of opinion, that the present d'scussion might be disposed of by the amendment A\hiuh :ic a\ as. about to propose. It was a matter of a ei y .-jcuouo moment that the Howick settlers should be _ab.3 > to reach Auckland without the necessity of swimming their horses across the Tamaki. To obviate swi a disagreeable necessity, he would propose as an amendment upon the oiiginal motion: — That a deputation be appointed to wait upon his honoi the Supeimtcndent, to beg his honoi to due^t the Punt to be put in such lepair as to make Howk.v acce&sable by cart. Deputation, Mi. Lews, Mi. Bicnnan, Mr. Williamson, and the mover. Council then adjourned until Thursday, at 3 o clock.
Thursday, 27th Oct. The Speaker took the chair at 3 o'clock. Pie&ent all the incmbeis except Mr. Mack)'. The minutes of the prcs ious meeting were read and continued.
Notices or Motion. Mr. J. O'Neill.— To move, at the next meeting of Council, for a letuin showing the sums of money in the hands of Go^ eminent, aiising fiom unclaimed intestate Estates, with the names of intestate, date of death, and date when paid into the Treasury Mr. Dignan. — To more, at the next mcetmg oi Coun1 cil, that a Hcturn of all applications made for the purchase of land under the late Land Regulation, ho laid on the table, slatmg the name of applicant, the quantity rcquued, and district, and the quantity granted. Mr. Hill. — To mene, on Tuesday next, that it bo referred to the Standing Committee on Rules and Orders to arrange for the better accomniodaticm of the Members of Council during their attendance on its sittings. . . Mr? Hill.— To move, at the next meeting of Council, that his hon. the Superintendent be lcquerted to nwc, his Excellency the Governor to cau&e Maps of all lines, or intended lines of roads sur\ eyed in the Pro's nice of Auckland, to be furnished to this Council, with as little delay as possible. Mr. Hill.— To move, that at the next Meeting ot Council, that his hon. the Superintendent be requested to move Ms Excellency the Governor to cause a return to be made to this Council of the amount of Parliamentary Grant to New Zealand for each of the last seven years, stating the amount appropiiatcd to each of the six Provinces each year, out of the said grants. Mr. Gilfillan.— To move, on Tuesday, that the Interpretation Bill be engrossed, and read a third time. Mr. Hill.— To move, on Wednesday next, that his hon. the Superintendent be requested to move his Excellency the Governor to cause a return to be made to this Council of the total amount of Revenue Income, , stating general revenue, and land revenue separately, for each and every year since the foundation of the Colony by Government, and of the total expenditure for each year, stating general expenditure and emigration expenditure separately, during said period.
Standing Rules. Mr. Connell brought up the report on the standing rules and moved that the additional rules be adopted and printed. The rules were ordered to be read seriatim : and wore warmly commented on ; especially the 34th rule, which oidered the printing of a digest of the daily proceedings of the couucil. This Mr. J. O'Neill contended was an unnecessary expendituic of the limited funds that might be placed at their command ; and that with respect to a diary, that of the Cleik of Council was an ample record of their proceedings. We oie necessarily confined, in consequence of the hour at which we go to press, to a meie outline of the Thursday's proceedings in council; pait.culaily when they extend to such a length as those of yesteiday. After much and somewhat acrimonious discussion, the report was adopted.
PIiXCEDENCY. Mr. Jas. O'Neill begged to put a question to the Speaker, with reference to the precedency of membeis at that council board. He wished to know whether membois were to occupy seats according to the manner in which their names had been gazetted ? The Speaker cited, in reply, the practice of Jamaica; according to which every member (the Speaker excepted) took his seat according as he entered the House. Here the subject dropped. The " Joseph Fletcher's" Mail. Mr. Gilfillan moved that an address be presented _ to his honour the Superintendent requesting him to bring under the notice of his excellency the Governor the extraoijlinary detention of the "Joseph Fletchers
mail. The hon. member commented vciy stringently upon the unpaidonable incom eniencc the public had been subjected to in consequence of that detention. lie belie* ed the captain and agents of the vessel to be entirely free from blame; and ii the post master at JNew Plymouth be equally so, he would no doubt be glad oi the opportunity nflordecl him. by the present inquiry to vindicate himself. II guilty, the least puinshmenthe would merit would be his dismissal fi om office. Motion agreed to.
DismsE ix Sunn*. On the motion of Mr Dilworth a committee to report the best means for pi eventing the impoitation of diseased sheep, and the spread of the existing disease amongst sheep, was agreed to. .
Ektxjkn or Papeus. Mr. Busby rose to more that an address be presented to his honour the Supci intendent, praying that theic be laid on the table of this House, the various papers and statistical facts of which (vide Wednesday's notice of motion) he had given notice thcpievious This motion of the lion, member for the Bay of Islands, which was substantially one for obtaining information, elicited an altogether suiprising amount of dimculty, discussion, and opposition. Mr. Poiter objected to it, because he -wished the mover to show the Council some good leasons for putting the go%ernmcnt to so much tiouble. Mr. Giliillan objected to the second clause.^ which solicited'information it was impossible for the Customs to supply. Mr. OBrien objected to No. 2, until he (Mr. 0 Brien) struck out a pait of the first and second lines. Mr. Williamson objected to the whole, -without an explanation why the returns wcio called lor. The Supeiintendent might not be able to furnish them. Mr. Boylan objected to the motion because he thought it would ghe tiouble to no piupos^e, ab the Council was foibidden to legislate either on the Customs or Post Office. . Mr. .Tas. O'Neill supported the motion, because he would not oppose any member in his desire for information. Mr. Lewis wished to know if the council had anything to do with the location of troops. He considered it a question ibi the Genei al Assembly. Mr. Busby was gicatly surprised to find that any opposition should be offered to a motion soliciting inibunation. It was for the Superintendent to decide Aihethci that information could be ghen or not. The motion was mcntually caniedby at cry considerable maioiity. J J m t..._ T>
Tin: Intjvrpiiet vtion Bill. Mr. Gilfillan moved that the Speaker do leave the chair, and that the council do go into committee upon the liiterpictation Bill. Seconded by Mr. 33ain. The Sponkor left the chaii accordingly ; after which, Mr. Jas. O'Neill moved, and Mr. Mitchell seconded, that Mr. Baitlcy, the member for the city, do take the chair. Mr. Williamson moved, and Mr. Council seconded, that Mr. Porter do take the chair. A lengthened discussion hereupon took place, dining which, the Speaker having been previously voted out of the chaii, the llousp was without a chairman. Mr. Newman remarked, that it was what was in the back-ground that caused such a show of opposition. If the council could bo satisfied thatthcie -would be no pay attached to the ofiice of chahmau of committees, the difficulty would be easily got o^ er. An assurance- to that effect having been gh en, the Speaker put the amendment, which vas earned, — Mr. Porter Inking the chair, and the council going into committee on the Inteipietalion Bill, which was consideicd clause by clause; many of the clauses being stiongly opposed, and waimly commented on. Mr. Gilhllan moAed that the bill be icad a thud time on. Tuesday next.
Cleric or \voin:s. ]\lr. Poii ditch, in reference to the appointment of a Cleric of AVoiks, mcrved tli.'t tli.it functionary should be subordinate to a Board oi Woiks. Mr. Hill seconded the motion. Mr. James O'Neill would be glad to know if it was expected that the council would saddle thcmbclves with the appointment of a Board of Woiks ? Mr. Powditch. explained that a Board of Works was necessary. It should be composed of commissioneis for tlic town of Auckland; which was now without a Municipal Council. Mr. Porter was of opinion that the subject could not be discussed until a Boaid of YToiks had been ap- • pointed, Mr. Allan O'Neill considcicd the Superintendent was the pioper officer to be accountable. lie should appoint a competent peison to the ofHce. It v»as ultimately airanged, and with the approval of the mover, that this question should be incorporated v. Ah those to be considered by the committee to inquire into the Officers requiicd for eanying on the Provincial Government.
S VKITOB.Y Condition or the Cn y. Mr. Boylan brought fon-said his motion that a deputation con'ibtmg of Mess;s. O'lhien, i'oiter, Cpnnell, O'Neill, and the movei, bo appointed to wait on his Honour the Supeiintendent to icqucst that lie would have a Bill picparecl and laid bcfoic the Council for the better regulation of the city, and the improvement of its sanitoiy st.ite. As the council had no law officer, he thought this was the best plan they could adopt. Motion agreed to.
Funds available ron Roads. Mr. Powditch, after an allusion to the subject of Provincial Sc])aiation, which had so lccently occupied the attention of council, said he -was happy to learn that there was a sum of £14,000 or £15,000 at their disposal. He had hoped that that sum might have been more ; and perhaps, in. some respects, it ought to have been. They hadheaid of a sum of £.3,000 v.hich had been alleged to have been taken from this province to buy land or something else in other pros inces. They had heard also of a Luger sum of -£12,000 also gone elsewhere. The honourable member entered fully into the subject of his motion, concluding his obsenations by proposing the following resolution, wliich wai seconded by Mr. Allan O'Neill :— " That this Council will proceed in the utmost integiity of purpose, in appropriating the fluids at their disposal, to the immediate and best interests of the Province. And they do so in the hope that the Geneial Assembly -n ill lcpudiate all right to inteifere with the internal government, or the revenue, or the lands, of any of the Pio-^ inccs. And also on a faithful reliance that Her Majesty's Government will free them from all liabilities of cxpence of any Government beyond that of their own Piw ince, and more especially from the unjust buithen of the New Zealand Company's claim or debts." Mr. Boylan suggested that the funds were not yet at the disposal of the council ; and Mr. Porter moved that the word "unjust" be struck out. Mr. Gilfillan considered the resolution totally ureleyant, and would move the council to proceed to the order of the day. Mr. Connell seconded the amendment, which was negatived. Mr. Williamson likewise proposed an amendment, which fell to the ground for want of a seconder. The original motion, with, its accompanying resolution, were both consequently carriied.
Onekuxga Road. Mr. Williamson moved that Mr. Newman's name be added to the committee on the Gnehunga load. — Agreed to.
Messexger. On the motion of Mr. James O'Neill, David Lunclon was appointed messenger to the council. The council, on the motion of Mr. Connell — having conctmed in the presentation of an addiess to the Superintendent, requesting that that officer would apply to Government for copies of certain books of reference— adjourned until Tuesday, the Ist November, at 3 o'clock.
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AUCKLAND PROVINCIAL COUNCIL., Daily Southern Cross, Volume X, Issue 661, 28 October 1853
AUCKLAND PROVINCIAL COUNCIL. Daily Southern Cross, Volume X, Issue 661, 28 October 1853
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