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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

The House met at 2.30 p.m. THE MAHONEY PETITION. Mr T. Thompson brought up the report of the Public Petitions Committee on the petition of David Mahoney. The report was to the effect that the sum of ±,325 be awarded to Mr Maloney, less the amount of law costs. After a long diacussion the debate vas adjourned tilf to-morrow on the motion of Mr Mitchelson. THE HUTCHISON CHAROES. Mr Hialop moved that the manuscript of the report and the proofs of the speech of the member for Waitotara, made on the second July last, containing accusations against the Government, be referred to the Reporting Debates Committee for comparison with the "Hansard" report. He was informed by man} members who were present that Mr Hutchison's speech as reported in " Hansard " was materially altered from that delivered by him in the House, and it was only right for members to know whether that course could be pursued. I Mr Ballance pointed out that the Governmentnever questioned the accuracy j of the " Hansard " report when they submitted the charges to the Select Committee, and were they now going back on that decision ? The Government were wasting time and insulting the House by side motions which they were proposing on this question. Why did they not give Mr Hutchison an opportunity of proving his charge 1 The course which they were now pursuing was not fair to Mr Hutchison or to the House. The motion would lead to nothing, and the charges against the Government would rest precisely where they now were. The debate was interrupted by the 5.30 p.m. adjournment. The House resumed at 7.30 p.m. IX)G REGISTRATION BILL. The Dog Registration Bill amended by the Legislative Council was received, and the amendments agreed to by 34 to 19. THE HUTCHISON CHAKfiES. Sir George Groy considered that Mr Hutchison had been very unfairly treated, as he had not been allowed an opportunity to prove his case. He referred to the enormous power possessed by the Bank of New Zealand, and said that there was hardly anyone in the colony who was not more or less connected with that institution. In conclusion he moved— ■"That before the House decide as to whether the manuscript report and proofs of the speech made by Mr Hutchison on the 2nd July be referred to the Committee for comparison, a Select Committee be appointed to report whether members who may be under such obligations to financial institutions doing Government business as may-embarrass their independence, should occupy the Ministerial benches." Mr Scobie McKenzie : It was very easy for any member to make charges against other members, and by saying that if he were allowed to ransack private memoranda and accounts he would he able to prove his charges, for that was what it ajl amounted to. The real reason why Mr Hutchison had not proved his charges before the Committee was that after he had made them some wiser financial heads than his own informed him that the tables he had quoted from were absolutely incorrect, that the statement that the Go-1 vemmenthad created an abnormal finance to assist the bank was absolutely dis» proved by the Minister for Education, and that the statement as to deficiency bills was also proved to be wrong. In referring to the late Select Committee he combatted the assertion that the Government had by the use of their majority broken up the Committee. The £*ct was that the Opposition members of the Committee were so eager to escape from it that they rose one by one and withdrew from the Committee, yet they were told it was the Government that broke it up. Mr Hutchison was privileged in what he said in the House, but was not privileged in what he did not say, and if, as was generally assarted, he had altered his phrases and smoothed down that one, he must know that he was not privileged in doing it. Mr Reeves said they all knew that Mr Hutchison's speech had been altered, but it was well known that every member altered his speeches, and this being so what was the use of referring rhe matter to Ibhe Committee. It should be referred, together with the whole case, to the judicial tribunal which the Government proposed to «et up. Mr Hislop had told them that three courses were open to the Government. He (Mr Reeves) thought that the first of these courses was to keep the matter steadily in view ; the second was to consider it in the recess ; and the third course was to drop it altogether. Mr Saunders said, that with respect to the proposal that the Government should take MV Hutchison's charges into a court of law, he held that men who occupied seats on the Ministrial benches should not require a court of law to defend their characters, and he hoped they would n«t adopt any such course. Mr Hutchison said that for obvioua reasons he should not now refer to the speeches made by Mr Scobie Mackenzie, and other members'during the debate. He again wished to say that he had no desire to shirk any investigation as to whether or not he altered his speach, but any alterations he had made were, absolutely necessary. He should now make an offer to the Government io withdraw the present motion, and he would be willing to allow the question as to whether or not the speech he made in the House was substantially the same as that appearing in Hahsfiwi to go to the Reporting Debates Committee for their decision. As to the oft-repeated challenge to him to abandon his privilege, he promised the Government that in future they would not have reason to complain of want of publicity of any charges he had to make against them. He refused, however to be forced into any position, and he did not mean to be set up as a target for a Minister or a bank. He was going to choose his own /;ime, and the Government would have no cause to complain. They would find him dealing fearlessly with these clwrges. After further discussion Sir Geome Grey withdrew his amendment. ! Mr Hislop\s motion was put and carried by 33 to 20. The House rose Ht 1.45 a.m.

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES., Ashburton Guardian, Volume VII, Issue 2490, 13 August 1890

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