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PARLIAMENTARY, Ashburton Guardian, Volume VII, Issue 2465, 12 July 1890
fbidatTjuly 11. house of representatives. The House met at 2.30 p.m. me Hutchison's bhargjes. Mr Mifcchelson said that the House would recollect that the member for Waitotara had on the 2nd July made some grave charges against the Government, charges which if true would render the Government no longer worthy to occupy the Ministerial benches. As their personal honor was concerned the Government had offered to meet Mr Hutchison in every possible way in order to have a fair enquiry made mto those charges, but he regretted to say that they had not been able to come to any arrangement as j yet. They had offered to have the charges enquired into by a committee, four of whom to be approved of by Mr Ballance, and four were Government supporters. They were willing that the ninth man should be Mr Withy, but Mr Hutchison insisted on Mr Saunders as the odd man. Government also offered as an alternative to refer the enquiry to a judge of the Supreme Court to be chosen by Mr Hutchison, to be assisted by one member of the House to be selected by the Government, *nd another member by Mr Hutchison, but this offer also had been refused. Government, therefore, had done all they possibly could in the matter. Ho then moved, "Thata select committee be appointed to ascertain whether all or any of the accusations against the Government, and especially against certain members thereof, made by^Mr Hutchison, the member for Waitotara, in a speech in the House, on Wednesday j the 2nd inst., are in substance true or false, and to report their opinion thereon, the committee to consist of Mr Ballance, Mr Bryce, t>v Fitcliett, Mr Fulton, Sir John Hall, Mr Larnach, Mr McArthur, Mr Ormond, and MrSeddon." Mr Kerr moved that Mr Saunders' name be inserted in the motion instead of that of Mr Ormond. Mr Ballance regretted that some agreement was not arrived at, but he thought Mr Hutchison himself was just as anxious to have those charges investigated either by a committee or the House, or in some other wayas the Government were. (Mr Hutchison : "More so.") He thought the Government should have accepted _ Mr Saunders as suggested by Mr Hutchison, and he could not understand why the Government would not agree to Mr Saunders except that perhaps he had more independence of character than some other hon. gentlemen. Mr Ballance held that it was a most improper thing to have a Supreme Court Judge sitting in this case, and he. considered Mr Hutehison's objection in this respect was quite proper. All he could say was this : His side of the House was exceedingly anxious to have A fairly constituted tribunal. Mr Fergus pointed out that the whole thing would afterwards come before the House, when the committee's report could be fully gone into. Mr Seddon objected to this matter being brought up in the middle of the financial debate. Mr Hutchison suggested that the eight members select Ihe ninth. Mr Hislop said that the question before the House was of greater importance than theexisfcenceofaMinistry. Itmightequally affect the Opposition at a future time, The leader of the Opposition and several members of the party had expressed the opinion that the course proposed by the Government was a fair and reasonable one, and the objection made by Mr Hutchinson to the ninth man was altogether untenable, Mr Fish regretted that these charges had been made at all,'and he reciprocated Mr HisJop's hope that the matter would be discussed in an impartial spirit, Dr Fitchett and Mr Perceval urged that the matter be postponed to give fnrther time for private negotiations. Mr Izard moved the adjournment of the debate. Lost -by 37 to 27. Several members haying spoken, a division was taken on Mr Kerr's amendment, which was lost by 37 to 33. Mr Mitchelson regretted the tone taken daring the debate by the Opposition, as it had been assumed that tne committee chosen by the Government were not impartial men. Government!
had no desire to act unfairly m the matterf and he would move that Mr Fulton's name be struck out and Mr Withy's substituted. The motion, as amended, was then pub and carried on the voices; The House rose afc 5.15. THE FINANCIAL DEBATE. The House resumed at 7.30 p.m. Mr U'Connor continued the debate on the motion that the House go into Committee of Supply. He said that retrenchment m some sources had already gone too far, and he advocated the taxation of shipping companies. The Hon E. Richardson spoke strongly m favor of immediate dissolution on the ground that no good work was like'y to be done this session. Mr Izard considered-that the Ministry had honestly endeavored to fulfil the pledge under which they took office, and he would, therefore,, support them for the remainder of the session. Mr Hislop denied that there Avas a pressing necessity for a dissolution, and passed on to review at length the speeches of those members who had supported the Opposition. As to Sir George Grey the only remedy he was able to suggest to the House for the solution of all our difficulties was the swallowing up of the unearned increment, but the arguments m that direction were a delusion arid a snare. He combatted Mr Goldie's arguments that the cost of industrial schools could be lessened, and said it was idle for the hon gentleman who only had a superficial knowledge of the question to assert that the cost could be reduced without being able to point out m what direction. As to Judge Edwards' appointment he should leave the justification of that to the Minister of Justice when he moved the second reading of the Bill, but he should like to know where m any Act of Parliament it was laid down that the salary should be provided for a judge before appointing him. When the Opposition were drawn to such tactics fas to attack the appointment of a gentleman like Colonel Trimble, who was so eminently qualified for the office he filled, he thought the Government could go to the country with very good credentials. Mr Seddon censured the Government for not having dissolved the House before the meeting of Parliament, and twitted Mr Hislop with being a "disrated minister," having a less important portfolio now than before he resigned his seat m the Ministry. Mr Macarthur moved the adjournment of the debate till Tuesday. The House Base at 11.55 p.m.
PARLIAMENTARY, Ashburton Guardian, Volume VII, Issue 2465, 12 July 1890
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