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PARLIAMENTARY, Ashburton Guardian, Volume VII, Issue 2462, 9 July 1890
TUESDAY, JULY 8. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. AFTERNOON SITTING. The House met at 2.30 p.m. NOTICES OF MOTION. Mr Monk gave notice to move m Committee of Supply, that the first, item on the Estimates be reduced by £1, as an indication that Government reduce them by £50,000. Mr Smith gave notice to move, as an addition, that such reduction should not apply to the Postal and Telegraph Department m the case of salaries of officers below £200. THE BANK OF NEW ZEALAND. The Hon. E. Mitchelson said he had intended to move for a Committee to enquire into the charges made against Government by the member for Waitotara, m connection with the Bank of New Zealand, but he would take an opportunity of doing so to-morrow, if the House would allow him to move the motion without notice. He wished to say that he had to thank the member for Waitotara for hiß courtesy m forwarding " Hansard" proofs of his speech to the Premier. DEDUCTION OF THE ESTIMATES. Mr Guinness asked Government whether it was correct, as reported m that morning's paper, that Government had promised a section of the House that they would reduce their Estimates by £50,000. The Hon. E. Mitchelson asked the hon. gentleman to give notice of his question. Mr Guinness refused to give notice as there Was no reason why Government should not give a reply to this question straight out. He moved the adjournment of the House to enable the matter to be debated. His opinion was that the financial debate should not be proceeded with till the House knew whether or not Government intended to make this reduction. Mr Samuel quits agreed with the last speaker. He thought it a very improper thing for Government to make any such promise to any section of the House, and he expressed great regret at seeing such an announcement as had appeared that morning. Government had only recently obtained proof, by a vote of the House, that no change of Government was desired, and he thouget it a very wrong thing that they should be subjected to motions of this kind at the instance of any section of the House. Sir G. Grey considered the motion should be to the effect that the House should adjourn till Government had replied to the question put by the member for Greymouth. His opinion was that it should be left to a new Parliament to make the proposed reduction, and he moved an amendment—" That the House adjourn till a reply had been received from Government." Mr Reeves (St Albans) said under certain circumstances it would nob be surprising that Government should not reply to this question, but it was a matter of notoriety that an answer had been given to a certain number of members of the House. It was not decent or proper that such a state of things should exist without the House being made aware of it. It meant that Government had completely changed their policy, and that they were now about to do what the country had demanded of them, simply because they were afraid of losing a fow votes. The agreement entered into would give the Government far too much power, and the House should be at once informed of its nature. He contended that before the financial debate was advanced any further they should know what had taken place. The Hon. E. Mitphelson said the question piit by Mr Guinness was perfectly reasonable, but he was not at present m a position to inform the House of the arrangements cometo. Negotiations such, as were referred to were going on, and at the proper time he should, state the result. In the meantime he hoped members would cease talking, and go on with the business, Dr Fitchett said this was one of the difficulties of dual leadership. They could not expect the Acting Premier to know w hat arrangements the Premier was making. Mr Walker expressed surprise at the action of the Native Minister, and thought there was nothing to prevent his making a statement of what had been done. Mr Seddon suggested that the House should go on with the questions, and postpone the financial debate till Ministers were m a position to reply to Mr Guinness* question. There was no more important question than that the House should be made aware m what direction Government intended to make this reduction, and he suggested an adjournment till half-past seven, m order that Government might be m a position to reply to the question put to them. The matter was a very serious one, and they had no right to go on with the financial debate till they had the information they wanted. Mr Moss hoped the people of the country would not be content till they had remodelled the Government of the country, and saved'at least £200,000. He appealed to Mr Monk, as to whether it was seemly for him, and those who were acting with, him, to take up the position they had done for the sake of saving £60,000. As to the cost of a second session, that should not be considered when such important issues were at stake. Mr Barron said that members should be very thankful if a certain section of the House had succeded m doing what the Government had failed to do. He agreed with Mr Moss that the Estimates could He reduced much more than was at present proposed, but he hoped members of all sides of the House would assist m carrying the reductions now promised. Mr Fish thought Government occupied a most ignominious position over this matter. If any arrangement had been made tho House should at once be made aware of it. He held it was the bounden * duty of the Opposition to force the Government to go to the country, and to refuse them further supplies than would carry them over the elections. If the Government could not take the responsibility of governing the country they should vacate their seats at once, or at any rate should apply for an immediate dissolution. Mr Taylor and Mr Reeves (Inangahua) spoke to the same effect. Mr Fisher asked how long this solemn farce was to last. He had no objection to those eleven gentlemen making themselves ridiculous by their action, but he did object to the Parliament of New Zealand being made ridiculous. Whatever proposals were to be made should be made openly m the House, and not m the Premier's office. He was astonished at a Government who occupied such a humiliating position as the present one continuing to sit on the benches, bub he was more surprised at a particular member of the Ministry, who had some honor to' preserve, allowing this state of things to exist. Sir J. Hall said he wished to make a personal explanation. Allusion had been very frequently made to his having been with the Premier at the time the deputation waited on that lion gentleman on Saturday, and it had been hinted he was present by design. There would be nothing very criminal if he had been there by design, but, as a matter of fact, he was present m the Premier's room at the time;%jf chancy not by design. ■ The motion for the ad|oilriimeht of the House was theii pi#»nd>losti ! f
THE FINANCIAL DEBATE. The Financial debate was then carried on till the 5.30 adjournment and again m the evening till 11.30 p.m., when the House adjourned.
PARLIAMENTARY, Ashburton Guardian, Volume VII, Issue 2462, 9 July 1890
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