far more satisfactory man to deal with than an old rip like Fitzherbert. We went through the different matters with Gillies and came to conclusion at once without any difficulty or any attempt on his part at over-reaching. He goes with me shortly to hand over the Kaipara works and also goes to the Bay about the Kawakawa matter. As to land for settlement he is not half anxious enough to get people here. He professes to think that settling people upon land in this Province unless they have capital is useless - and gives as his reason